Re: Edelman's Numbers
posted at 3/19/2014 2:37 PM EDT
In response to pcmIV's comment:
In response to PatsEng's comment:
One's that are 1 strike away from being out of the league but see the average annual value as being fair market. It's a good deal from both sides here, lets not act like Browner isn't getting good money to play.
BB has no problem paying large money to players as long as he knows they will fit in the system (hence why we have made homegrown players some of the highest paid at their position over the years). You can't know that with players from other teams which is why he usually shies away from paying them. With Browner they get to "fly before they buy" because if he doesn't work they can cut ties with no consequence. I guarantee you if BB could get other top FAs to sign contracts like that he would have.
The funny thing about your last statement is no other FA would take that type of deal and the only reason Browner did was because of the reason I stated
Arrington's a 5th CB right now. Go find another 5th CB out there making even half as much. You can't really compare #1 CB's to Arrington and say what a deal, sorry.
Arrington when healthy is the top slot corner on this team. That means he will play most of the snaps because we spend so much time in sub packages. So you can keep repeating this nonsense about #5 CB, but it is false. Despite his injury problems he still played the 2nd most snaps of all our corners this past year. In addition he is getting some money because of his place on special teams which BB values more than a lot of other GMs. You spent all of last season telling us that Arrington was grossly overpaid because of the contracts handed out to corners last year (most of which btw were for one year). Well the market has corrected itself and now Arrington's deal doesn't look so bad regardless of how you want to spin it particularly when you consider that some of the money he is getting paid is for his ST contributions.
He was so good Ryan replaced him at the end of the year. The reason he got the 2nd most snaps is because Talib was either out or wasn't nearly well enough to start for a 3rd of the season. Dennard also had his injury moments too. But if you don't think he's the 5th CB tell me, do you think he's better than Revis or Browner? Since Ryan was playing over Arrington by the end of the season and Arrington was benched multiple times for Ryan I wouldn't put Arrington above him. Also when Dennard was healthy Arrington was playing below him. That's 4 CB's above him he's the 5th CB on the team no matter how you try to justify it. It was just a bad contract and one I bet they rid themselves of next year once it saves them more to not have him on the team then it would cost to cut him.
How it's a departure from the norm. Before Revis the highest they ever paid any CB in BB tenure was Bodden as the 21st in the league. Now they have 2 contracts with average annual values in the top 20. Prior to 07' and post 07' they never paid a FA (not their own) an annual amount in the top 10 of their position. The last top 25 FA they signed was Thomas in 07' and none since. Going over the last 3 years they never paid a FA higher than top 6 on the team, Revis in what's essentially shattered that by being paid as the #2 highest on the team. Why is it every analysist, reporter, and former players all say this is different than any year but you guys say it's the same? Are those guys who get paid as experts and former players wrong in that statement?
The fact is that both the Browner and Revis deals are very low risk (Revis because it is only one year and Browner because of the lack of guaranteed money). In addition the Revis situation is unique because players' of Revis caliber are rarely allowed to test FA. I maintain that if the Patriots could get premier free agents to agree to these kind of deals in the past they might have done it more, but these types of deals for top players are anomalies, not the norm.
So, that the Pats did something they've never done before, unique situations, or not proves that this is the norm? How does that make sense. Since they've never done it before that inherently means it's different from what they've done before regardless of the circumstances.