English in journalism

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    English in journalism

    I would think that people who write for a newspaper, or at least the proofreaders, would be able to use proper grammar.  Here is an example from today's piece by Zuri Berry:


    "And with those kind of expectations set upon him"


    The word is "that", not "those", because it modifies "kind" which is singular.  Proper English would have been either:


    "And with that kind of expectations set upon him"


    or


    "And with those expectations set upon him"


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    "And with those kinds of expectations set upon him"


    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg

     
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    Do they even bother to hire proofreaders anymore?

     

     
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    My pet peeves with both print and broadcast media include:

    *the incessant use of less when fewer is correct

    *the unrelenting assault on the actual meaning of 'beg the question'

    There's more but why aggravate myself further on a beautiful spring day?

     
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    My personal beef is when the writer cannot use I/me correctly. As in "He gave a report to Peter and I". No, he gave it to Peter and me.

     

    Supra societatem nemo

     
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     Between you and I, this whole thread just begs the question whether we all need to spend less hours discussing these kind of things and just get back to football! 

     
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    My personal beef is when the writer cannot use I/me correctly. As in "He gave a report to Peter and I". No, he gave it to Peter and me.

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    That one gets me as well.  Also "me an him".

    I am a programmer, but during the early stages of the 2001 depression (2003 through 2006), I wound up having to teach high school math for a few years.   I was required to take some courses in order to maintain the temporary license I was granted.  I was amazed by the total lack of understanding of proper English usage by several individuals in the classes -- and these were the people that would be teaching our children!

    Here is another one, albeit on a more sophisticated level -- "the data is".  The word "data" is plural so it should be "the data are".

    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg

     

     
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    They might as well go to bleacher report

     
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    In response to SLGDEV's comment:
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    I would think that people who write for a newspaper, or at least the proofreaders, would be able to use proper grammar.  Here is an example from today's piece by Zuri Berry:

     

    "And with those kind of expectations set upon him"

     

    The word is "that", not "those", because it modifies "kind" which is singular.  Proper English would have been either:

     

    "And with that kind of expectations set upon him"

     

    or

     

    "And with those expectations set upon him"

     

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    "And with those kinds of expectations set upon him"

     

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    You're wrong on your first option.  That is incorrect grammar by you.  What that should say to be correct is:

    That kind of AN expectation.  The article "AN" denotes the word "kind" as singular.  

    Many times it is accepted to say "kind of" expectations since "of" is triggering a plural due to what the definition of "kind" means.   The word kind, while singular, points to a variety of different things in a group. 

    Berry is technically incorrect, but it's also widely accepted in the media nowadays.  I have had this  argument for years with people who claim the apostrophe that comes at the end of a name is ok by itself to show a possessive, when it's not.

    Chris'

    Chris's

    The latter is the right way to do it, but journalists get away with these incorrect forms of grammar because they've been taught to save space for money.  The former would point to two people named Chris owning possession of something, technically speaking.

    It's not necessary in the internet era, but whatever.

     

     
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    My personal beef is when the writer cannot use I/me correctly. As in "He gave a report to Peter and I". No, he gave it to Peter and me.

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    That one gets me as well.  Also "me an him".

    I am a programmer, but during the early stages of the 2001 depression (2003 through 2006), I wound up having to teach high school math for a few years.   I was required to take some courses in order to maintain the temporary license I was granted.  I was amazed by the total lack of understanding of proper English usage by several individuals in the classes -- and these were the people that would be teaching our children!

    Here is another one, albeit on a more sophisticated level -- "the data is".  The word "data" is plural so it should be "the data are".

    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg

     

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    Have you seen Mt Hurl's grammar here?  It's embarrassing. He's a teacher, so he claims.

     
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    Have you seen Mt Hurl's grammar here?  It's embarrassing. He's a teacher, so he claims.

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    He is not a journalist with a wide circulation.  They should be setting a good example.  That was the point of my starting this thread.  If Mr. Hurl is a teacher with poor grammar, that is very unfortunate as well.

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    Man oh man is it ever time for real football camp to begin!

     
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    Good lord I have an ice cream headache now.

     
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    Have you seen Mt Hurl's grammar here?  It's embarrassing. He's a teacher, so he claims.

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    He is not a journalist with a wide circulation.  They should be setting a good example.  That was the point of my starting this thread.  If Mr. Hurl is a teacher with poor grammar, that is very unfortunate as well.

    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg

     

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    Well, at least Mt Hurl teaches Home Ec and doesn't teach English.  That we can all be thankful for.  

     
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    Journalism died circa 1995 when the interwebs took off.   Your (sic) expecting way too much.  Lower your standards.  It will never return.

     
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    Journalism died circa 1995 when the interwebs took off.   Your (sic) expecting way too much.  Lower your standards.  It will never return.

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    Agreed.  I am somewhat embarrassed at the lack of responsibility the media/"journalists" have when not even accepting that, though.

    At least admit it. They won't even admit it.

    Old school/real journalism is dead for the most part. It actually started years earlier with cable tv.  All these Millennials now surround us thinking that it's how it should be. Very dangerous.

     

     
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    Journalism died circa 1995 when the interwebs took off.   Your (sic) expecting way too much.  Lower your standards.  It will never return.

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    Nice joke.  [Your (sic) rather than you're]. I get it. 

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     Slow day when the grammar discussion is more interesting than the football talk.

     

    Personally, I'm okay treating "data" as a collective noun.  Yes, I know in Latin it's the plural for datum, but really as an English word it's mostly used in a collective sense, which means treating it as a singular noun is  natural.  Most publishers now accept it as a singular noun.  When we talk about data and number is important, we tend to use the phrase "data point" or "data points," while the Latin singular of data (datum) is almost never used in ordinary discourse.

     

    I won't call anyone out, but the phrase I read here that really offends my grammatical sensibilities is "would of."  When I'm feeling particularly magnanimous I guess I can regard it as a quaint and charming New Englanderism, but really do we not know that "would of" is just bad pronounciation of the conditional verb phrase "would have" and that the phrase "would of" makes as much sense as "would in" or "would at" or any other combination of the auxiliary verb  "would" and a preposition?

     
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    Have you seen Mt Hurl's grammar here?  It's embarrassing. He's a teacher, so he claims.

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    He is not a journalist with a wide circulation.  They should be setting a good example.  That was the point of my starting this thread.  If Mr. Hurl is a teacher with poor grammar, that is very unfortunate as well.

    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg

     

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    Well, at least Mt Hurl teaches Home Ec and doesn't teach English.  That we can all be thankful for.  

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    Do I have to remind you that a preposition is a word you should never end a sentence with? 

     
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     Slow day when the grammar discussion is more interesting than the football talk.

     

    Personally, I'm okay treating "data" as a collective noun.  Yes, I know in Latin it's the plural for datum, but really as an English word it's mostly used in a collective sense, which means treating it as a singular noun is  natural.  Most publishers now accept it as a singular noun.  When we talk about data and number is important, we tend to use the phrase "data point" or "data points," while the Latin singular of data (datum) is almost never used in ordinary discourse.

     

    I won't call anyone out, but the phrase I read here that really offends my grammatical sensibilities is "would of."  When I'm feeling particularly magnanimous I guess I can regard it as a quaint and charming New Englanderism, but really do we not know that "would of" is just bad pronounciation of the conditional verb phrase "would have" and that the phrase "would of" makes as much sense as "would in" or "would at" or any other combination of the auxiliary verb  "would" and a preposition?

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    I attribute this phenomenon to the gradual change in society.   Many people neither read nor write the written word in proper form any longer.   If you don't see it written correctly you may well rely on the sound of the phrase when needing to compose a thought.   "Would of" sounds a lot like "would have".

    Texting is another contributing factor to the decline of proper language usage.

    I realize that a lot of people on the board will find this minutiae insignificant, but as you say, it's a looong way to next season.

     
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    Have you seen Mt Hurl's grammar here?  It's embarrassing. He's a teacher, so he claims.

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    He is not a journalist with a wide circulation.  They should be setting a good example.  That was the point of my starting this thread.  If Mr. Hurl is a teacher with poor grammar, that is very unfortunate as well.

    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg

     

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    Well, at least Mt Hurl teaches Home Ec and doesn't teach English.  That we can all be thankful for.  

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    Do I have to remind you that a preposition is a word you should never end a sentence with? 

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    Nicely done above.

     
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    Have you seen Mt Hurl's grammar here?  It's embarrassing. He's a teacher, so he claims.




    He is not a journalist with a wide circulation.  They should be setting a good example.  That was the point of my starting this thread.  If Mr. Hurl is a teacher with poor grammar, that is very unfortunate as well.


    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg


     


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    Well, at least Mt Hurl teaches Home Ec and doesn't teach English.  That we can all be thankful for.  


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    Do I have to remind you that a preposition is a word you should never end a sentence with? 


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    Not really. I looked at it and saw it, but just simply didn't care to make it officially correct.  I could have added "here" to the end to make it official, but didn't feel like it.


    The fact is, I know that. It's different when people not only don't know grammatical rules, but are told why they are wrong and continue to do it all the time.


    Mt Hurl is disturbing. He does the "would of" thing all the time after being told how ignorant and white trashy that looks.

     
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    Have you seen Mt Hurl's grammar here?  It's embarrassing. He's a teacher, so he claims.

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    He is not a journalist with a wide circulation.  They should be setting a good example.  That was the point of my starting this thread.  If Mr. Hurl is a teacher with poor grammar, that is very unfortunate as well.

    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg

     

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    Well, at least Mt Hurl teaches Home Ec and doesn't teach English.  That we can all be thankful for.  

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    Do I have to remind you that a preposition is a word you should never end a sentence with? 

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    Nicely done above.

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    Nicely done?  LOL

    I saw it and didn't feel like adding another word.  I am not getting paid to print things here so I truly don't care if I start or end a sentence with a preposition.

    We have people here who don't know basic words, their uses, conjunctions, possessive, plurals, etc.

    You and your fellow Brady Ball Washer ain't got nothing. 

    Not how I just used "ain't" for effect. LMAO

     
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     Slow day when the grammar discussion is more interesting than the football talk.

     

    Personally, I'm okay treating "data" as a collective noun.  Yes, I know in Latin it's the plural for datum, but really as an English word it's mostly used in a collective sense, which means treating it as a singular noun is  natural.  Most publishers now accept it as a singular noun.  When we talk about data and number is important, we tend to use the phrase "data point" or "data points," while the Latin singular of data (datum) is almost never used in ordinary discourse.

     

    I won't call anyone out, but the phrase I read here that really offends my grammatical sensibilities is "would of."  When I'm feeling particularly magnanimous I guess I can regard it as a quaint and charming New Englanderism, but really do we not know that "would of" is just bad pronounciation of the conditional verb phrase "would have" and that the phrase "would of" makes as much sense as "would in" or "would at" or any other combination of the auxiliary verb  "would" and a preposition?

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    It's ok to call out Mt Hurl, Mr. Pink Hat from Toronto.

    LMAO

     

     
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    Have you seen Mt Hurl's grammar here?  It's embarrassing. He's a teacher, so he claims.

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    He is not a journalist with a wide circulation.  They should be setting a good example.  That was the point of my starting this thread.  If Mr. Hurl is a teacher with poor grammar, that is very unfortunate as well.

    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg

     

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    Well, at least Mt Hurl teaches Home Ec and doesn't teach English.  That we can all be thankful for.  

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    Do I have to remind you that a preposition is a word you should never end a sentence with? 

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    Nicely done above.

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    Nicely done?  LOL

    I saw it and didn't feel like adding another word.  I am not getting paid to print things here so I truly don't care if I start or end a sentence with a preposition.

    We have people here who don't know basic words, their uses, conjunctions, possessive, plurals, etc.

    You and your fellow Brady Ball Washer ain't got nothing. 

    Not how I just used "ain't" for effect. LMAO

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    Relax.

    Prolate made a joke by correcting your error with one of his own (intentionally).   Mine did the same, though not as well. 

    Alas, both were clearly lost on you.

     
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    Have you seen Mt Hurl's grammar here?  It's embarrassing. He's a teacher, so he claims.

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    He is not a journalist with a wide circulation.  They should be setting a good example.  That was the point of my starting this thread.  If Mr. Hurl is a teacher with poor grammar, that is very unfortunate as well.

    SLGDEV/sheldong/sheldonlg

     

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    Well, at least Mt Hurl teaches Home Ec and doesn't teach English.  That we can all be thankful for.  

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    Do I have to remind you that a preposition is a word you should never end a sentence with? 

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    Nicely done above.

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    Nicely done?  LOL

    I saw it and didn't feel like adding another word.  I am not getting paid to print things here so I truly don't care if I start or end a sentence with a preposition.

    We have people here who don't know basic words, their uses, conjunctions, possessive, plurals, etc.

    You and your fellow Brady Ball Washer ain't got nothing. 

    Not how I just used "ain't" for effect. LMAO

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    Relax.

    Prolate made a joke by correcting your error with one of his own (intentionally).   Mine did the same, though not as well. 

    Alas, both were clearly lost on you.

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    Yes, you two are well known for being upfront, genuine and good-natured here.  I am very relaxed.

     
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