Era of the TE

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    In Response to Re: Era of the TE : Initially, early season the true effectiveness of the formation will not be as effective as the late season run, when Ballard will return. We will have exceptional versatility with both Gronk and AH, some what more limited with Fells and (Silvestro-Shiancoe). But by week 11 when Ballard returns the formation will assume a much more deadly position for defences. At that point we will have three massive receiver's who are all quite capable of being both a blockers and receiver's. With one more (Fells) who also can catch as well as block. Couple that with either Riddley, or more hopefully Vereen, who also are quite capable of being a receiving threat, we will be in a position to go no huddle in the hurry up, and totally dictate the defensive match ups. Any combination of receiver's and blockers, multiple combinations of rushers and blockers, both downfield and heavy short yardage. The combinations are limitless, and all called at the line of scrimmage depending on the defensive personnel and alignment. The defence can not ever be in the right formation or personnel with out a great deal of deception and shifting at the last second. Even then I do not see how it can be stopped with any regularity. With Ballards return we will be 3 strong at TE with the week spot only in the 4th TE. The true beauty of the entire notion is the downfield blocking. Like having an additional four athletic,fast linemen, all moving downfield,or into the backfield like a fullback,or moving into motion as a Tailback and receiver. Not to mention the the additional blockers that can stay at home to pass block. With the proper last minute reads, the QB should have a field day, picking apart the defences. With no possibility of knowing who is doing what, when all can do everything.
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    Ahh, I see what you are saying now, positional flexibility and catching the D out of position. Going "big" and using the no huddle to pound them with runs/screens, and then when they are forced to counter we could bring in an entirely different look. I think this is why BB started using 2 TE sets as much as he has been lately. We really used to run it often with Graham, and Fauria. Teams have a hard time figuring out run or pass from this set and adding another TE would be even more difficult to figure out....with 2 of these TE's(3 with Ballard) we have some of the better pass catching TE's in the league who are still capable of blocking.
     
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    In Response to Re: Era of the TE : Ahh, I see what you are saying now, positional flexibility and catching the D out of position. Going "big" and using the no huddle to pound them with runs/screens, and then when they are forced to counter we could bring in an entirely different look. I think this is why BB started using 2 TE sets as much as he has been lately. We really used to run it often with Graham, and Fauria. Teams have a hard time figuring out run or pass from this set and adding another TE would be even more difficult to figure out....with 2 of these TE's(3 with Ballard) we have some of the better pass catching TE's in the league who are still capable of blocking.
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    The only problem with the thesis of this thread is that there are very few guys that fit the mold of an offense you are talking about (i.e. who are athletic threats in the pass game and can still block effectively).  I mean is there anyone in the NFL like Gronk?  Even Graham and Hernandez who are know more for their pass catching than blocking are pretty unique players.  The Patriots are fortunate to have two guys who create a ton of matchup problems, but the idea of teams being able to replicate this or the Pats having more than 2 of these guys seems pretty outlandish to me.
     
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    Good comment PT ...but ...

    I only see the Pats using that 3-4 TE formation in 2 situations. The first deep in the red zone 10 yards out or with a fresh set of downs maybe back to the 15 yard line. I can see it effective. Block and Run or Pass whatever Brady sees.

    Secondly, only if the Pats are up by 2 scores late in the game and elect to burn the clock from anywhere on the field. The Pats have the Quality TEs to do it, not any other team could.

    Have a good day ...
     
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    Good comment PT ...but ...

    I only see the Pats using that 3-4 TE formation in 2 situations. The first deep in the red zone 10 yards out or with a fresh set of downs maybe back to the 15 yard line. I can see it effective. Block and Run or Pass whatever Brady sees.

    Secondly, only if the Pats are up by 2 scores late in the game and elect to burn the clock from anywhere on the field. The Pats have the Quality TEs to do it, not any other team could.

    Have a good day ...



    Do not discount Ballard, I believe before this season is over he will be recognized as on of the steals of this season. Yes the Pats are fortunate to have THREE TE's that create mismatch problems. Why not take full advantage of that as often as possible.
     
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    Do not discount Ballard, I believe before this season is over he will be recognized as on of the steals of this season. Yes the Pats are fortunate to have THREE TE's that create mismatch problems. Why not take full advantage of that as often as possible.
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    As often as possible? Dunno, Need to have at least one true WR, if not everyone on D is up in the box. Like I said that would'nt matter much close in the Red Zone. Hern does'nt go deep, ya know? And Brady needs that deep precise pattern to be successful deep.  It will be interesting to see what Josh has in mind because I'm sure he's gonna mix it up setting AHern up as a FB, WR, TE?  Welker in slot or Lloyd deep? With the new speed out of the RBs and PA with the TE it will be more exciting to see but still everything will happen underneath like last year with the big difference, an improved run game.

    I'd like to hear more opinions on this. To see How a D would Game plan effectively for it.

    Take care PT ..
     
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    BUMP
     
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    Looks like writers from the bleacher report spend their time reading OUR idears to finance their rag. Copyed this thread for an article printed today. Look at out idears coming out of the mouthes of fake reporters.............
     
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    I don't really think it's a new idea....



    Looks like the editors at the bleacher report think it is a new idear, Seeing how they copied this thread for one of their featured articles....
     
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    Hernandez is a slash.  NFL rules state that the defense gets to choose last in putting players on the field.  BB has subpackage specialists all lined up on the defensive side, but he needs people with multiple skills on the offensive side. 

    Hernandez is a big fat running back who breaks tackles and makes people miss, he's at least a bit of a blocking tight end and he's a capable wide receiver specializing in blocking out lightweight cornerbacks from the ball.  Put the "wrong" defense on the field (for many teams every defensive subpackage will be wrong in some way) and Hernandez will line up in the most problematic position for that defense.

    Gronk is a slash too.  He blocks as well as a tackle and almost no one can single-cover him.  In retrospect it's amazing that no one wanted these guys. 
     
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    C'mon people where are your comments, good stuff so far but I would like to hear more. It isn't like the 4 TE concept has been hashed and re-hashed here like many other threads. What it is, is a brainchild scheme of BB. He and Josh are going to use it and set another example for superior multi TEs to dominate a game. Thats what I think anyway. I see (2) 3 TE locked up long term.

    I can see Brady in the shotgun or under center taking a survey of the D. I see him making  changes up at the line then shifting a player or two into a different set. Four Talented Multi-faceted TEs ...HUH?

    I see chip blocks from the TE's then going into the slot. I see no pure slot reciever in the formation but always ONE DEEP WR to spread the field. Burn the clock etc. Goes on and on with possibilities.

    How does an opponent defend this?  When I learn football, I'll let you know.

    have a good night ...

     
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    In Response to Re: Era of the TE : LMAO....right, so, it was a new idea last year when you brought it up the first time Besides, even if they put in 4 TEs in as WRs....just because they do it once (or twice) as a gimmick - does not an era make.......
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    Hey now it must be your turn to be heard. Let me see I have nothing to say but I b!thched at the other guy (I really told Him) now I might as well b!tch at this guy for the same thing. Gee I have nothing to say but I will just lurk around to see how many people I can B!tch at.

    Grow the FK up and learn to be a contributing portion of society in stead of a Lurking leach hoping to jump in and cry like a little b!tch about what others say.



    pattimer why dont you post under your own name when you want to make an attack instead of masking your identitiy by logginout and logging back in under another identity to do so....
     
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    In Response to Re: Era of the TE : LMAO....right, so, it was a new idea last year when you brought it up the first time Besides, even if they put in 4 TEs in as WRs....just because they do it once (or twice) as a gimmick - does not an era make.......
    Posted by anonymis


    Hey now it must be your turn to be heard. Let me see I have nothing to say but I b!thched at the other guy (I really told Him) now I might as well b!tch at this guy for the same thing. Gee I have nothing to say but I will just lurk around to see how many people I can B!tch at.

    Grow the FK up and learn to be a contributing portion of society in stead of a Lurking leach hoping to jump in and cry like a little b!tch about what others say.



    apologies anonymis,
      board mess up. i replied to this post above in reply to parttimer aka inbredbru


    pattimer why dont you post under your own name when you want to make an attack instead of masking your

    identitiy by logginout and logging back in under another identity to do so....
     
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    In Response to Re: Era of the TE : LMAO....right, so, it was a new idea last year when you brought it up the first time Besides, even if they put in 4 TEs in as WRs....just because they do it once (or twice) as a gimmick - does not an era make.......
    Posted by anonymis



    Hey now it must be your turn to be heard. Let me see I have nothing to say but I b!thched at the other guy (I really told Him) now I might as well b!tch at this guy for the same thing. Gee I have nothing to say but I will just lurk around to see how many people I can B!tch at.

    Grow the FK up and learn to be a contributing portion of society in stead of a Lurking leach hoping to jump in and cry like a little b!tch about what others say.

     



    apologies anonymis,
      board mess up. i replied to this post above in reply to parttimer aka inbredbru


    pattimer why dont you post under your own name when you want to make an attack instead of masking your

    identitiy by logginout and logging back in under another identity to do so....

     



    Bredbu,
    No worries.....I think there have been numerous posters who brought up 2 TE power formations a while ago in spread formations, ect. 

     
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    What I find most interesting is that we now have FIVE TE's on the 53 man roster with TWO elegible to return after week eight. I still see the possibility that the 4 TE-1 RB sets will be used to power this team down the home stretch into the play offs. Also notable that not one of the cuts today included a TE. Springing this late season leaves little to no chance to find an answer, if there is one. Gronk and Shank to one side with Ballerd and AH to the other with Riddley in the back field. No huddle, hurry up, what ever the defensive set or personel, TB's options are so diverse, the defence can not be right...

    How do you defend it...May be a 3-4-4 with 4 safeties...CB's become nearly useless with that heavy personel. 3-5-3 again with 3 safeties...But who will be able to man those personel sets...Just a defensive nightmare...All heavy blockers,pass and run, all capible recievers or extra line men...TB calls all the shots...
     
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    In Response to Re: Era of the TE : LMAO....right, so, it was a new idea last year when you brought it up the first time Besides, even if they put in 4 TEs in as WRs....just because they do it once (or twice) as a gimmick - does not an era make.......
    Posted by anonymis



    Hey now it must be your turn to be heard. Let me see I have nothing to say but I b!thched at the other guy (I really told Him) now I might as well b!tch at this guy for the same thing. Gee I have nothing to say but I will just lurk around to see how many people I can B!tch at.

    Grow the FK up and learn to be a contributing portion of society in stead of a Lurking leach hoping to jump in and cry like a little b!tch about what others say.

     



    apologies anonymis,
      board mess up. i replied to this post above in reply to parttimer aka inbredbru


    pattimer why dont you post under your own name when you want to make an attack instead of masking your

    identitiy by logginout and logging back in under another identity to do so....

     



    Bredbu,
    No worries.....I think there have been numerous posters who brought up 2 TE power formations a while ago in spread formations, ect. 

     



    anonymis you are aware "INBREDRU" is an identity created to mock me (bredbru). you are not allowed to make intelligent observations (without it insulting the incredibly insecure). so someone created this identity.

     

    please understand the difference, though it is confusing, so not to miscontrue me.

    peace brutha

     
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