ESPN ALL DECADE TEAM

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    ESPN ALL DECADE TEAM

    All-Decade Offense
    QB: Tom Brady, New England
    RB: LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego
    FB: Lorenzo Neal, Cincinnati/S.D./Balt.
    WR: Marvin Harrison, Indianapolis
    WR: Torry Holt, St. Louis
    TE: Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City
    T: Walter Jones, Seattle
    T: Jonathan Ogden, Baltimore
    G: Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh/N.Y. Jets
    G: Steve Hutchinson, Seattle/Minnesota
    C: Olin Kreutz, Chicago
    All-Decade Defense
    DE: Michael Strahan, N.Y. Giants,
    DT: Warren Sapp, Tampa Bay/Oakland
    DT: Kris Jenkins, Carolina/N.Y. Jets
    DE: Jason Taylor, Miami/Washington
    LB: Derrick Brooks, Tampa Bay
    LB: Ray Lewis, Baltimore
    LB: Brian Urlacher, Chicago
    CB: Champ Bailey, Washington/Denver
    CB: Troy Vincent: Phil./Mia./Buff./Wash.
    S: Ed Reed, Baltimore
    S: Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh

    Who deserves it? Who doesn't?
     
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    I think all the choices are pretty good. All of these players are/were at the elite amoung their position. As for specialists, my choices would be:

    K: Adam Vinatieri
    P: Shane Lechler
    LS: Lonnie Paxton
     
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    These all time teams are almost always based ona 4/3 defense, if anything the past decade has been marked by successful 3/4 teams; PAT's, Steelers, San Diego, etc...

    Changing to the 3/4 defense would make the D look somewhat different, for example Richard Seymour has been the most dominant 3/4 end of his era as far as the PAT's are concerned.  Ty Law also might be on there... I mean Troy Vincent... really?  Are we talking about playoff football or just regular season?
     
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    Who would be the coach?
     
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    Unfortunately they used a 4-3 defense to make the roster. They should have added a couple extra guys at Dline and LB to accomodate a 3-4, which has been used by a lot of successful teams. And I'd have to say that Wilfork, Seymoure, Rodney, and Ty Law should be on this list. I'd also include Willie Mac, as he made more key plays in the postseason than any player in history. But what can you expect from ESPN? I'm sure they really wanted Manning at QB instead of Brady. They probably thought they'd lose credibility (what credibility???) if they did so. And they missed the boat at WR, too. Although Harrison and Holt were both great players, I think that Randy Moss, Issac Bruce, and even TO (despite his being an idiot) should be amongst the best of the decade. I would say there should be more than 22 guys on this "team". How many times do teams use five wide spreads? Also, most teams are using more than one RB, to limit it to one is ridiculous.
     
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    [QUOTE]Unfortunately they used a 4-3 defense to make the roster. They should have added a couple extra guys at Dline and LB to accomodate a 3-4, which has been used by a lot of successful teams. And I'd have to say that Wilfork, Seymoure, Rodney, and Ty Law should be on this list. I'd also include Willie Mac, as he made more key plays in the postseason than any player in history. But what can you expect from ESPN? I'm sure they really wanted Manning at QB instead of Brady. They probably thought they'd lose credibility ( what credibility???) if they did so. And they missed the boat at WR, too. Although Harrison and Holt were both great players, I think that Randy Moss, Issac Bruce, and even TO (despite his being an idiot) should be amongst the best of the decade. I would say there should be more than 22 guys on this "team". How many times do teams use five wide spreads? Also, most teams are using more than one RB, to limit it to one is ridiculous.
    Posted by bubthegrub2[/QUOTE]

    I dont like the CB picks, IMO Champ is overrated & Vincent?
    without question Brady & LT belong
    as far as Safety Ed & Troy are pretty good, ED deserves it, toss up between Troy & Rodney
    ain't no damn way , Kris Jenkins is better than Jamal Williams
    i'd also go with that cheap shottin' basstard Kevin Mawae at center instead of Olin
     
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    I would say Ty Law gets on before Troy Vincent. They only picked him because he was the head of the union for so long. Ty Law has won three super bowls this decade and he tore Peyton Manning apart in the playoffs for the first half of this decade so he should 100% be on that list.
     
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    Troy Vincent? Really??!! What decade is this, the 90's? By the time Philly made the SB, the starters were Sheppard and Brown. Ty Law is a no-brainer here. I honestly can't think of anyone else other than Bailey and law who you could reasonably pick. Maybe Ronde Barber as a distant third.
     
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    Yea Ronde Barber could enter the conversation as well but Vincent has no place on this list, he was a safety throughout this entire decade anyways. He didnt play CB for the Bills, he played safety and he played for the Bills almost this entire decade.
     
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    ED REED = Overrated

    I would take Rodney Harrison any day.
     
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    [QUOTE]I would say Ty Law gets on before Troy Vincent. They only picked him because he was the head of the union for so long. Ty Law has won three super bowls this decade and he tore Peyton Manning apart in the playoffs for the first half of this decade so he should 100% be on that list.
    Posted by MVPkilla[/QUOTE]

    If you call humping manning's wideouts as tearing him apart, then I think you are on to something.
     
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    Hey underdogg could you be a crybaby anymore? He picked Manning off three times in 1 game and it was a playoff game. Ty Law owns Peyton Manning
     
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    If you call humping manning's wideouts as tearing him apart, then I think you are on to something.

    If you want to call Ty Law overrated due to perceived penalties that were not called, we'll also have to call Peyton overrated due to all the offensive holding by his O-line! T i t for tat!
     
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    [QUOTE]ED REED = Overrated I would take Rodney Harrison any day.
    Posted by RonBorges[/QUOTE]



    Ed Reed Overrated. Your joking right? Seriously
     
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    [QUOTE]Ed Reed Overrated. Your joking right? Seriously
    Posted by BXBoston[/QUOTE]

    Consider the source. Anyone who would use a handle like "Ron Borges" on a Patriots message board is either a troll or a complete moron!!!
     
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    Yeah I may be a homer but I don't think there's any way Richard Seymour can be left off the list.  There was a 5 year stretch that he was widely considered the best defensive lineman in the NFL, and despite injuries, is back to playing dominant football.  I'd put him over either Sapp or Jenkins.  He's a DE in the 3-4 but is considered a DT in a 4-3, which the ESPN team is based on.
     
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    [QUOTE] Randy Moss 23 TDs' speak volumes.
    Posted by Harleyroadking111[/QUOTE]
     The later MIN years & the OAK debacle kill that IMO.
     
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    When did Warren Sapp win teh defensive player of teh year award? if it was this decade then he 100% should get in over Seymore. Sapp was the most dominate d linemen in football until age cought up with him and slowed him down.
     
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    It's for debacles such as this that no one can take the media serious anymore.  I read the criteria they gave for their choices and it made them look even more delirious.  Any "all star" team compiled since Moss been in the league, that omits him is ridiculous.  Love him or hate him, the man's talent and the effect he's had on the league is unparalled.  Ask any coach or defensive co-ordinator who has the ability to change the game more than any other player over the last DECADE, they would overwhelmingly say RANDY MOSS.  I love Wes Welker, but without Moss, I think Wes takes alot more shots like he did against Pittsburgh.  Moss changed the NFL draft.  He became the new prototype.  He even changed the way DB's were being selected and coached.  Marvin and Tory are outstanding receivers but nowhere in Randy's league.  You don't have to like him,  but the masterpiece he's painted is brilliant.  Someone spoke of his latter years in MN and the "Oakland Experience", here are his career stats for your review:
     
    Career Stats more
    SeasonTeam ReceivingRushingFumbles
    GGSRecYdsAvgLngTDAttYdsAvgLngTDFUMLost
    2008 New England Patriots 16 16 691,00814.676T11200.02032
    2007 New England Patriots 16 16 981,49315.265T23--------------
    2006 Oakland Raiders 13 13 4255313.2513--------------
    2005 Oakland Raiders 16 15 601,00516.8798--------------
    2004 Minnesota Vikings 13 13 4976715.782T13----------11
    2003 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 1111,63214.772176183.011011
    2002 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 1061,34712.76076518.525011
    2001 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 821,23315.073T1033812.7180----
    2000 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 771,43718.778T15351.79020
    1999 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 801,41317.767T1144310.815033
    1998 Minnesota Vikings 16 11 691,31319.061T17144.04021
    TOTAL84313,20115.782135251596.4250139
    I think some people forget in 2004 he played with an injured ankle and partially torn hamstring and in 2006 was plagued with the same hamstring injury.  I'll say this about Oakland and (latter years) MN.  Mike Tice was no genious and the truth about Oakland is becoming clearer by the day.  Those who have left tell how much of a mess it is ( after signing the most lethal receiver in the league, you bench your other starting WR for no apparent reason) thus sending out positive messages to your entire staff that you have no real desire to win games.
    In the last DECADE, "few" if any have had the impact on the NFL that Randy Moss has.  I'm sorry, but Marvin Harrison and Tory Holt aren't two of the FEW...
     
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    The only thing I found plain about your post were your excuses. 

    Injuries are a part of the game, and many a career have been sidelined due to them. 

    Blaming Mike Tice is crying.  Mike Tice coached during Minnesota's most prolific years.  I'd say that Moss benefitted from having Tice as a coach. 

    Oakland was in the Superbowl in 2003 which is not that far removed from 2005.  Additionally, only Moss can be blamed for writing his own ticket to Oakland.  

    Finally, you must remember that you are a pats fans.  Pats fans do not allow for excuses from players.  Coaches and Management make the rules and decisions and players are expected to comply with them.  If Randy was a malcontent over management decisions, and his game was affected, then that is his problem. 
     
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    Randy Moss had 17 TDs in one season twice in this decade and in 2007 he broke the record set by Rice when he had 23 Tds in a single season. He is with out a doubt the best WR in football over the last 10 years. The two WRs chosen should have been Moss, and Marvin Harrison hands down these two were the best WRs in the NFL this decade.
     
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    Dear Underdogg,
    My intent was to inform not attack.  However, since you choose to do the latter, allow me to respond accordingly.  Before I continue, tell "Sweet Polly Purebred" and "Shoeshine Boy" to cover their ears because not everyone can handle the "TRUTH".  Your correct in one aspect, I am a Patriots fan.  However, I'm a FOOTBALL fan first.  I'm not so myopic that I can't see the forrest due to the trees.  I've been a football fan since the late 60's.  Some of my initial exposure was to the Minnesota Vikings.  Former Viking WR John Gilliam is my cousin.  I have been a Viking fan also for years. My spouse is from MN and we've been to numerous camps.  I have extensive knowledge about Randy Moss that the average Patriots fan does not.  However, as a true football fan, I choose to evaluate the entire picture.  Even though I provided you with factual documentation, you still spewed forth inaccurate nonsense.  Randy's most prolific years and team success were under Denny Green.  Media and team backlash began with Mike Tice's voicing of the "Randy Ratio".  Oakland was in the Superbowl under the direction of Jon Gruden and were quarterbacked by NFL MVP Rich Gannon.  Both were long gone prior to Moss's arrival in Oakland.  Fans must really get the notion that because players make an obscene amount of money that this makes them less human.  For example, if you are a garbage man "underdogg" and Garbage Gobbler Mgmt is constantly sending you on your route with faulty equipment, you're gonna get upset.  Week after week you can't complete your duties because of not being properly equipped, is going to get you pi**ed off.  In the best of all world's, we'd simply smile and continue on our route.  But "garbage gobblin' " and the NFL are totally different.  For the pay, these guys pay a severe physical price for that pay and  your enjoyment, so don't begrudge them the monetary compensation.  Injuries being part of the game is 100% correct, that's why I made note of the fact.  Despite those injuries, he played and produced.  When he wasn't making plays, he provided the ultimate decoy for team to produce in other facets of the game.  Finally, as a Pats fan, based on the slant of a significant amount of posts, aren't we supposed to uplift OUR players (which I was), not tear them down... Just a thought!
     
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    Killa,
    I was concerned about the Dungy thing and I'm glad that was all worked out.  I was also intrigued by the political posts that followed.  There are some REAL deep thinkers here.  I concur with you on Marvin and Randy.

     
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    Yea there are lol sadly I am having a hard time keeping up with the other thread because the debate has become so intense and i am the only one arguing my side of it while 347 has other right wingers on his side so its me VS the entire republican sect of this forum lol so its getting tiresome for me. But it is fun debating such deep topics as we have.
     
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    [QUOTE]Dear Underdogg, My intent was to inform not attack.  However, since you choose to do the latter, allow me to respond accordingly.  Before I continue, tell "Sweet Polly Purebred" and "Shoeshine Boy" to cover their ears because not everyone can handle the "TRUTH".  Your correct in one aspect, I am a Patriots fan.  However, I'm a FOOTBALL fan first.  I'm not so myopic that I can't see the forrest due to the trees.  I've been a football fan since the late 60's.  Some of my initial exposure was to the Minnesota Vikings.  Former Viking WR John Gilliam is my cousin.  I have been a Viking fan also for years. My spouse is from MN and we've been to numerous camps.  I have extensive knowledge about Randy Moss that the average Patriots fan does not.  However, as a true football fan, I choose to evaluate the entire picture.  Even though I provided you with factual documentation, you still spewed forth inaccurate nonsense.  Randy's most prolific years and team success were under Denny Green.  Media and team backlash began with Mike Tice's voicing of the "Randy Ratio".  Oakland was in the Superbowl under the direction of Jon Gruden and were quarterbacked by NFL MVP Rich Gannon.  Both were long gone prior to Moss's arrival in Oakland.  Fans must really get the notion that because players make an obscene amount of money that this makes them less human.  For example, if you are a garbage man "underdogg" and Garbage Gobbler Mgmt is constantly sending you on your route with faulty equipment, you're gonna get upset.  Week after week you can't complete your duties because of not being properly equipped, is going to get you pi**ed off.  In the best of all world's, we'd simply smile and continue on our route.  But "garbage gobblin' " and the NFL are totally different.  For the pay, these guys pay a severe physical price for that pay and  your enjoyment, so don't begrudge them the monetary compensation.  Injuries being part of the game is 100% correct, that's why I made note of the fact.  Despite those injuries, he played and produced.  When he wasn't making plays, he provided the ultimate decoy for team to produce in other facets of the game.  Finally, as a Pats fan, based on the slant of a significant amount of posts, aren't we supposed to uplift OUR players (which I was), not tear them down... Just a thought!
    Posted by theplaintruth[/QUOTE]

    I apologize for my inaccuracies.  Particularly Mike Tice.

    As for the Human aspect of Randy, I have no problem with him, under normal circumstances most Pats fans would (unless, of course, he was a pat), because NE is a team first, individual second, kind of team, and Randy did not find that particular religion until he became a pat.  Makes me think Pats fans would somehow wholeheartedly embrace Jay Cutler if the team picked him up (and if you did not have brady).   

    Anyway - Moss' omission from this opinion (list), I put squarely on the fact that he was labelled prior to his coming to New England, because a decoy who admittedly takes plays off is not always a very good decoy. 
     

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