Re: ESPN keeping racist comments quiet
posted at 8/8/2013 8:18 AM EDT
In response to DanishPastry's comment:
In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
In response to Muzwell's comment:
The word IS derogatory, and shouldn't be uttered by anybody. To say otherwise is to endorse a double standard. Context doesn't matter.
Just the fact that we're analyzing whether this guy said it to that guy and it's OK because they're both black or it isn't OK because one of the guys is lighter skinned, or he uses proper English when he speaks and the other guy is darker and he's from the hood....pretzel logic or what?
Robbery is wrong, but if I rob from a bank it's not as bad as if I steal a woman's purse, right?
Use of the word is classless and wrong no matter who uses it and no matter the context. That's a fact and not a debatable point. Otherwise, it's a double standard. So if you think it's OK depending on "context," then you have to be OK with double standards.
Yes, life is complex. Things aren't quite as simplistic as you portray them. Context does matter with language. Every linguist will tell you that . . .
I totally agree. The word in and of itself may be derogatory, but howit is used can change the way it is perceived. But the relationship between messenger and recipient also factores in. Every time I meet one of my friends we say hi by calling each other a very derogatory word. It's okay between him and me, but would be totally out of order in any other setting.
In all communication it is important to remember, that it is the recipient who determines then content of the message. If a message is ill received, the messenger has a problem - not the recipient.
That is why communication is a hard thing.
Of course. This is linguistics 101. It's why things like double entendre are possible. Muzwell is using a rhetorical device that is pretty common in American political discourse. You dismiss certain complexities as irrelevant, than repeat what on the surface seems an irrefutable and completely logical truism. But it works only because you've ignored relevant complexity. It's a device used to stifle real thought and instead justify predetermined conclusions.
This one, however, is rather ineffective, because even children know that context matters in language. It's why they laugh at word games.