Expectations of WR and TE Corp for Upcoming Season?

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    Expectations of WR and TE Corp for Upcoming Season?

    So, what are people's thoughts on their expectations of the current WR and TE corp as it stands right now? Who do you want/expect to have a bigger impact or role.  Did BB do enough at these positions for the upcoming season?

     
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    A bit surprised there hasn't been a Keller or Finley signing to add camp depth and provide Gronk-insurance....maybe they just aren't healthy enough yet?

     

    If Gronk gets and stays healthy for the playoffs, I think they are the favorites in the AFC, his presence opens up so many things for the offense, both with what he himself can do, and the coverage he draws away from his teammates. 

    I hope Dobson makes a big year 2 stride, but we will see, too bad he is missing time now while recovering from surgery.

    Edelman will be very good again, but still a little uneasy about relying on him as the #1 given his injury history.

    Amendola will flash brilliance, and then likely get hurt again.

    Boyce will have an expanded role, Dobson's absence does have to benefit him with extra reps.

    LaFell and Thompkins will both play sparingly, they will be decent, but not world-beating. Good depth options.

     

     

     
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    I think the kids improve and show why they were so highly regarded. I don't think Thompkins is an automatic out.The WR battle is gonna be interesting. The TE spot is gonna be another thing...

     

     

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    Boy  I am getting a little tired of prefacing all my remarks with if healthy but you can't ignore the past… IF Gronk, Dobson and Amendola stay healthy there will be many media members eating crow about the demise of TB. Those 3 players and their health hold the key to the WR/TE group. I hope Dobson is completely healthy because the 2nd year progression is where most receivers make the leap… see Alshon Jeffery and Demarius Thomas.

     
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    Our offensive weapons have a lot of room for improvement and they need to make that next step forward. Edelman is really the only mainstay in this offensive attack and I expect much of the same from him this year.

    Amendola better make a huge step forward, he has been in the system a year now and should have been spending as much of the offseason as possible working with Brady. He is a vet and needs to up his game!, I am looking for 60-70 catches and 800+ yards.

    Another vet, Lafell I don't expect as much out of him as Edelman and Amendola. He has never had a good QB, never been in a fast paced complicated system and I bet most all of his route trees have changed. He has potential to be very good and make some special plays, but I expecting 50+ catches and 700+ yards. He could blow up and be something special if he works on his hands.

    As far as our returning rookies are concerned; I think they could make a big leap in year 2. For Dobson this hinges upon his foot being healthy. However, when you compare his first year production with other WR's that are no top tier or up and coming top tier WR's his number look pretty good for having an off and on first year. But lets get to the nitty gritty, this kid was brought in to be our big WR threat and that's what he needs to become. I am hoping for at least 20 more rec this year and get around 700 yards, but more importantly he needs to have that deep threat impact.

    Boyce, I am not sure what to expect from him. If he could come and be a shifty receiver to play mismatches in a 4 WR I'd be pretty happy. The kid has shown signs of being very useful and at times dangerous, however with everyone else above him on the depth chart he has a lot of work to do.

    Thompkins is going to be interesting to watch, you know what you have with him and he made some great plays and then you watch him on a everyday basis and I swear he learned how to catch a ball only a few years ago. He needs to work on his hands if he wants to make this team. I don't see him doing much more than what we got out of him last year.

     

    Now for the TE's, we have to bring someone else in that can catch and fill the need left by Gronk's injury. Hooman will be back and I am expecting his usual performance this year. The only thing that can save this years TE corp as receivers is if Gronk can come back fully healthy, hopefully by week 6 or 8, stay healthy and continue to make an impact of the field. I am not sure there is any TE out there we could bring in that will truly make a big impact, yeah we need the help there, but Brady needs his big stupid frat boy running down field if this offense will be feared by anyone in the league.

     
     
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    Man I'm going to go crazy if they don't add another pass catching TE.  We had such a great TE combo and now it's Gronk or nothing. Damn worst Riches to Rags story I've ever read.

     
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    I think our "base" offense is going to be a one-back, one-TE, three-WR offense.  Given that, I see Gronk as the sole TE in most sets (if and when he's healthy).  There will be a second and probably a third TE, I think--one who is more of a blocker and one who can catch.  Not sure who the back-ups will be.  Hoomanawanui is a serviceable back-up and must be entering camp as the front runner for the second position, but he's not so good that I couldn't see him being replaced. Jones has the size to be the blocker.  Watson and Williams both are more H-back types and could compete for the receiving back-up. Wouldn't be surprised to see another veteran to two brought in before the regular season starts. 


    At WR, I expect to see Dobson (if his foot is healthy) being the starting outside guy.  I think they hope LaFell can play a lot, since he is somewhat in-between a move TE and a possession receiver.  He played almost like an H-back in many formations in Carolina and I see the Pats using him much like that if they are (as I suspect) a one-TE team.  Maybe Asa Watson or DJ Williams will play a similar role, if either makes the team.

     

    In the remaining WR position, I see Amendola and Edelman fighting it out.  There will be times when they are both on the field together, but I suspect the Pats would rather see the bigger LaFell and Dobson on the field, particularly if we have only one TE in the line-up.

     

    Of the back-ups, Thompkins has a chance because of his size and experience.  Who knows about Boyce.  He's got the speed, but it all depends on whether he's progressed significantly over the not-ready-for-prime-time rookie he was last year. 

    The rest of the guys are untested.  Hopefully, one or two show something and can push for a spot on the roster.  

     

    Overall, this is a group that doesn't impress me greatly if I judge solely on what they've done so far, but that has some potential.  In my opinion, a lot depends on how Dobson, LaFell, and maybe one of the Thompkins/Boyce/rookie contingent pan out. 

     

     

     

    Here are the current cast of characters at TE and WR:

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    87 Gronkowski, Rob TE 6-6 265 25 5 Arizona

    47 Hoomanawanui, Michael TE 6-4 260 25 5 Illinois

    88 Jones, Justin TE 6-8 277 22 R East Carolina

    86 Watson, Asa TE 6-3 237 23 R North Carolina State

    45w Williams, D.J. TE 6-2 245 25 4 Arkansas

    __________

     

    80 Amendola, Danny WR 5-11 195 28 6 Texas Tech

    82 Boyce, Josh WR 5-11 205 23 2 Texas Christian

    17 Dobson, Aaron WR 6-3 200 22 2 Marshall

    14 Dunn, Reggie WR 5-9 178 25 1 Utah

    11 Edelman, Julian WR 5-10 198 28 6 Kent State

    83 Gallon, Jeremy WR 5-8 184 24 R Michigan

    84 Johnson, Derrick WR 5-11 190 22 R Maine

    19 LaFell, Brandon WR 6-2 210 27 5 LSU

    18 Slater, Matthew WR 6-0 210 28 7 UCLA

    85 Thompkins, Kenbrell WR 6-1 195 25 2 Cincinnati

    81 Van Hooser, Wilson WR 6-0 197 23 R Troy

    16 Wiggins, Reese WR 5-11 193 23 R East Carolina

     
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    Boyce has been getting some good reviews from the OTAs so far. 

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    I would love to se Boyce used like Percy Harvin was in the Super Bowl, end around runs, screen passes, quick slants etc. Just get the ball in his hands 7-8 times a game. As currently constructed, I don't expect anything from our TE group other than Gronk. Going Dobson makes the leap and can stay on the field.


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    This team could play no TE's and 5 'WR's, or 3 TE's, or 2 backs coming out of the back field. 

    They don't have an. All Pro stud other than Gronk, but can beat any team in a variety of ways, all depending on who that defense is that given week...

    no super stars, but a myriad of very good opportunities.

    Thanks. Tom Brady!

     
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    Wonder how many Catches did the Seattle TE's have in Superbowl? Or even Play-offs? This focus on TE's has me confused.

     
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    Gallon will be the surprise of the camp and he will be one of the 6 receivers on the starting roster . . . if Dobson starts on PUP it will be a sure thing and LaFell, Boyce and Thompkins will battle for the Dobson time.  When Dobson comes back one of those three maybe cut.

     
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    In response to ghostofjri37's comment:

    Boy  I am getting a little tired of prefacing all my remarks with if healthy but you can't ignore the past… IF Gronk, Dobson and Amendola stay healthy there will be many media members eating crow about the demise of TB. Those 3 players and their health hold the key to the WR/TE group. I hope Dobson is completely healthy because the 2nd year progression is where most receivers make the leap… see Alshon Jeffery and Demarius Thomas.



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    In response to tenace4life's comment:

    Gallon will be the surprise of the camp and he will be one of the 6 receivers on the starting roster . . . if Dobson starts on PUP it will be a sure thing and LaFell, Boyce and Thompkins will battle for the Dobson time.  When Dobson comes back one of those three maybe cut.



    When I watch the film on Gallon, I don't understand why he lasted to the 7th. Is it mainly hi size and lack of top end speed?

    I hope/expect Gallon to be on the 53 roster.

     
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    In response to ghostofjri37's comment:

    Boy  I am getting a little tired of prefacing all my remarks with if healthy but you can't ignore the past… IF Gronk, Dobson and Amendola stay healthy there will be many media members eating crow about the demise of TB. Those 3 players and their health hold the key to the WR/TE group. I hope Dobson is completely healthy because the 2nd year progression is where most receivers make the leap… see Alshon Jeffery and Demarius Thomas.



    There is zero chance Dobson is healthy until late October or November. It may be a lost season for him. Most under discussed story of the entire organization to this point. 

     
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    I'm expecting Edelman, LeFell, and Boyce to be the mainstays.  With Vereen, being 3rd down play maker.  Gronk Dobson & Amendola chipping in as health allows.  

    They will sign a TE to help. I also expect they will add another vet WR and have hope Gallon can help.  

    They will be better than 2013...Let's npt forget the 2013 Pats were virtually tied as the #2 NFL offense.  The improved OL will help. 

     
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    In response to ghostofjri37's comment:

    Boy  I am getting a little tired of prefacing all my remarks with if healthy but you can't ignore the past… IF Gronk, Dobson and Amendola stay healthy there will be many media members eating crow about the demise of TB. Those 3 players and their health hold the key to the WR/TE group. I hope Dobson is completely healthy because the 2nd year progression is where most receivers make the leap… see Alshon Jeffery and Demarius Thomas.




    I agree.  I think the potential of this offense really hinges on the health of those 3 key players, all of whom have pretty significant question marks surrounding them.  It's really unfortunate Dobson couldn't be out there right now taking part in these OTA's as I feel the more snaps and practice he can get in before the season is essential for his further development. 

     
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    Considering that at this point the WR and TE corps haven't changed much from last year I expect the same thing I saw last year. Mediocrity and injuries. I hope I'm wrong and I hope they sign another TE shortly.

     
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    I think if Gronk can't stay healthy we are going to be left to rely on two undersized slot receivers again, and that's not good enough. In a perfect world Lafell will come in and give us a little bit of a redzone target and all around threat, capable of catching 60-70 balls, but that is probably asking too much. And Dobson would be the answer we need, but the foot injury is a real question mark. Boyce is the wild card - I think he has big time ability - but even he doesn't give us a size advantage.

    I think the receiver position has a lot more promise than the tight end spot at this point...we didn't draft any and we didn't sign any free agent replacements.

     
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    Health is a concern at this point.  However, once healthy I expect the WR corps to be significantly more productive than last year.  Gronk will be Gronk however we need another pass catcher at that position.  All in all, once healthy, the offense overall will be quite good.

     
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    One hopes the receivers and tight ends are more productive, but it's going to be a while before we know for sure, and there are a lot of question marks. My concerns:

     

    Gronk. There are two concerns: first that he'll get healthy and stay that way, second that when he does come back from the injury he'll be as fast as he was before it.  Many come back well from knee injuries, but Jake Ballard's limp last offseason should be a cautionary tale.  Will he be practicing when camp starts in July?

     

    Hoomanawanui.  He's just an average or maybe below-average back-up.  I didn't like his blocking last year and don't really like the idea of him being the number one TE if Gronk is hurt. 

     

    Dobson. The foot concerns me. These kinds of nagging injuries never seem to bode well. I'm really going to be interested in whether or not he can practice in July. 

     

    Edelman.  I think Edelman is a good slot receiver, I just don't want the Pats to have to use him as an outside receiver next season.  He catches well near the LOS and runs pretty well after the catch, but he's a short pass specialist, not someone who can open the offense up downfield or on the edges. He was pretty ineffective against Denver despite being single covered most of the time. 

     

    Amendola.  Similar to Edelman, but maybe more athletic downfield.  The injuries bother me and I really didn't like the way he disappeared in the playoffs.

     

    Thompkins.  Seemed to plateau last year. Has he reached his potential?

     

    Boyce.  Didn't do anything last year.  Did he just need a year to develop or is he a Darius Butler type?

     

    Everyone else other than LaFell.  Untested late round or UDFA types. Could go in any direction.  Hoping for a diamond in the rough with all these guys. Gallon looks intriguing, maybe Watson, and then there are the small-school kids from Maine, Troy, and East Carolina.  But really these are all long shots and the probability that one will be able to make an impact this year is slim.  

     

    LaFell.  I've been very optimistic about this guy.  For some reason, I think he's going to be very effective.  At the same time, he was more a mid-level receiver at Carolina.  We'll see.  In an odd way, I have the fewest concerns about him.  I think he will contribute in our system.  

     

     
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    Since it's so early, I might as well go out on a limb or two...

    Gronk - 60 catches, 900 yards, 10 TDs

    Other TEs - 25 catches, 300 yards, 2 TDs

    Edelman - 75 catches, 850 yards, 4 TDs

    Amendola - 50 catches, 600 yards, 6 TDs

    Dobson - 50 catches, 700 yards, 8 TDs

    LaFell - 55 catches, 700 yards, 6 TDs

    Other WRs - 30 catches, 300 yards, 2 TDs

     
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    I dont agree regarding Dobson. I do believe he is ready for the season at 100%.

    If you recall, I posted last year Dobson w/b IR'd due to the injury, but the team opted to not IR him and have him battle thru it in the playoffs. 

    This gave a certain poster the impetus to ridicule me for weeks regarding Dobson.

    I was told at the time if IR'd at time if injury, Dobson w/b 100% for OTA's. If waiting until after the SB, he w/b ready for preseason camp

    I checked again this week and nothing about injuries with the Pats is official, but Dobson s/b 100% in August

     

     
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    The good thing is that a number of the young WRs have had a whole offseason to absorb the playbook and get with the strength and conditioning program.  Then there are vets like Edelman, Amendola and LaFell who will likely be the primary guys until one or more of the young guys earn playing time due to performance.  I think there are some promising prospects at WR and I think that a few guys who get cut here will be on other rosters.  They should tell Gronk to take his time until he is right.  That guy could make all the difference to this offense but has yet to be healthy at the end of the year.  Really interested to see if any of the UDFA TEs can do anything.  YOu have to think a vet TE will be added at some point.     



     
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    Re: Expectations of WR and TE Corp for Upcoming Season?

    Expectations... We will get nothing from TE besides Gronk which is absolutely no big deal because it all depends on the offense you run and the Pats are gonna move to 3, 4 and 5 WR sets.


    Expectations:


    Gronk- (if he plays 16)- 80 rec 1100Yds 9Tds, (if not) then it's lower


    Dobson- 60-70Rec 800-900Yds 7-8Tds


    LaFell- 45-55Rec 700-800Yds 4Tds


    Edelman- 60-70Rec 700Yds 2Td


    Amendola- 50-60Rec 600-700 Yds 1-2TD


    Boyce- 20-30Rec 300Yds 1Td


    Vereen- 35-45Rec 350-500Yds 1Td


     


     

     
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