Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

    Le vrai est trop simple, il faut y arriver toujours par le compliqué.

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

    In response to CatfishHunter's comment:

    Le vrai est trop simple, il faut y arriver toujours par le compliqué.



    My french is a tad rusty (no relation or pun intended) but i do recognize the words truth? complicated? and obviously simple...

    Something about the truth is complicated?

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

    Besides the touchdowns, Edelman has been outperforming Welker this year in terms of total production.  There is almost no need to include Amendola into the conversation.  I think what we have here are two guys that can do close to the same job for this team.  Both come with an injury risk, so you sign two guys hoping that at least one is healthy for the team all year.  This has worked out rather well in that regard.

    In terms of Amendola to Welker, it is Welker by a large margin this year.  We can not discount the time that Amendola spent on the DL as it took away from the team's production.  I am not sure what happens to Edelman next year as he is a free agent, but the next man up would be Amendola and I think he would do a fine enough job. 

    So in closing, Edelman has been the more productive player this season.  This is especially true when factoring in the great job he does on punt returns.  The problem is that he did so well, that it is likely that a team will sign him next year out from under us because his price just got very expensive.

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

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    In response to CatfishHunter's comment:

    Le vrai est trop simple, il faut y arriver toujours par le compliqué.



    My french is a tad rusty (no relation or pun intended) but i do recognize the words truth? complicated? and obviously simple...

    Something about the truth is complicated?



    My French isn't great, but I think it translates "The truth is very simple, it must always be arrived at by the complex."

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

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    Le vrai est trop simple, il faut y arriver toujours par le compliqué.



    My french is a tad rusty (no relation or pun intended) but i do recognize the words truth? complicated? and obviously simple...

    Something about the truth is complicated?



    My French isn't great, but I think it translates "The truth is very simple, it must always be arrived at by the complex."



    Merci

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

    The truth is too simple; one must always get there by a complicated route.  (Unless i'm mis-remembering the quote)

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

    In response to ghostofjri37's comment:

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    Le vrai est trop simple, il faut y arriver toujours par le compliqué.



    My french is a tad rusty (no relation or pun intended) but i do recognize the words truth? complicated? and obviously simple...

    Something about the truth is complicated?



    My French isn't great, but I think it translates "The truth is very simple, it must always be arrived at by the complex."




    Indeed.

    And DeadAhead is correct for once:   I am definitely "anti" Belichick bashing for bashing sake.

     
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    The truth is too simple; one must always get there by a complicated route.  (Unless i'm mis-remembering the quote)



    This is a much better translation than mine! 

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

    This doesn't matter at all anymore Welker's gone.

    In BB's words " He's not on our team"

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

    For starters Moss still has never been replaced. Still waiting on a legit deep threat, something that has hurt this team since he has been gone.

    When the Pats let him go, yes they adjusted and did very well but come playoff time Moss was surly missed.  Lost against the Jets because the Pats didn't have a deep threat.  They stacked everyone in the box, and they stuffed the Pats.  Nobody to stretch the field.  It was a disaster, can't win against talented teams passing short all game, also if there is no deep threat, no reason to spread the defense, also hurts the run game.

    If the Pats had Moss it would have been a SB season.  Probably would have won 2011 SB.  Again, no deep threat.

    For the Welker/Amendola discussion, I can't believe you feel the need to keep it going.  I have stopped the Welker talk a month ago, you who complain about the Welker talk keep it going.

    In March you said Amendola was not injury prone.  Freak accidents.  Amendola comes here and gets hurt, game #1.  You provided all these false facts of how Amendola lined up with the Rams on the outside more then Welker did.  I provided actual figures that showed percentage wise Welker lined up on the outside more then Amendola did and gained more yards lining up outside then Amendola did.  You said Amendola's YAC was better, I provided actual stats that showed Amendola's YAC was one of the worse in the league.  You said Welker lead the league in dropped passes, I said it doesn't matter... look at the meaningful numbers drop rate which shows Welker was not even close to the top.  You said Amendola since taller (1 inch lol) would be a much bigger threat in the redzone.  WRONG!  He dropped a game winner TD last weekend.  I told you 1 inch wouldn't make a difference against 6'0"+ guys.  You wouldn't listen.  Welkers TD's this season are better then Amendola and Edelman combined.  How is that for redzone performance?.

    Welkers stats as predicted by most everyone here, including me would be less in Denver.  Makes sense that would be the case since they have so many weapons. 

    The argument has always been between Amendola and Welker.  Edelman would have remained had Welker been re-signed.  Unless they had Amendola signed and if Welker re-signed they may have let Edelman go.  Regardless... Welker would have made this offense better this season, especially since so many new receivers (rookies.) 

    Bottom line is.... Welker/Edelman combo or Welker/Amendola combo would have been much better for this team then Edelman/Amendola combo.  I say the Pats lost 2 very important games this season without Welker here.  I doubt they would be struggling this bad with him.  If you don't see it then take those rose colored glasses off, empty the keg of BB koolaid and get out of that plastic bubble you are living in.

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

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    The truth is too simple; one must always get there by a complicated route.  (Unless i'm mis-remembering the quote)



    This is a much better translation than mine! 



    My French is awful; what I remembered was the English translation.  The quote was thrown in my face once.  Back story is much too dull to take up space here.

     
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    Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)

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    Besides the touchdowns, Edelman has been outperforming Welker this year in terms of total production.  There is almost no need to include Amendola into the conversation.  I think what we have here are two guys that can do close to the same job for this team.  Both come with an injury risk, so you sign two guys hoping that at least one is healthy for the team all year.  This has worked out rather well in that regard.

    In terms of Amendola to Welker, it is Welker by a large margin this year.  We can not discount the time that Amendola spent on the DL as it took away from the team's production.  I am not sure what happens to Edelman next year as he is a free agent, but the next man up would be Amendola and I think he would do a fine enough job. 

    So in closing, Edelman has been the more productive player this season.  This is especially true when factoring in the great job he does on punt returns.  The problem is that he did so well, that it is likely that a team will sign him next year out from under us because his price just got very expensive.



    Good post, but the concept is the salary allocation of TWO players being superior ROI.

    This was what TFB12, Pats Eng and some others weren't grasping.  If you look at the entire package, IMO, it is clearly obvious BB made the right choice this year.

    Now, next year, when Edelman is a FA, he will need a raise, sure.  But, I don't think Edelman will be a guy who will jump to leave either, which is a reflection of BB's loyalty to players like this.

    Not many times would have given Edelman a chance at WR like that.  Compare Edelman's NFL career to Tebow's  for example.  

    As for Amendola, I fully expect him to keep trending up like he has been, after a bumpy start to the season for him. It's not totally surprising Brady has more of a rapport with Edelman than Amendola either, hence the doubled production.




    Salary allocation, W-T-F?  Your argument has gone from Welker vs Amendola, then to Welker vs Edelman, and now you are throwing in salary allocation, LOL!   My gosh, how many different excuses are you going to try and find before you will admit you were wrong about putting Welker out and Amendola in?  Welker vs Amendola was your argument all along.

    I am sure the Pats could have afforded both Welker and Edelman.  The extra million would be well worth where they would have been sitting at this point this season with Welker and Edelman then where they currently are with Edelman and Amendola..

     
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