First Round Pick We Need To Go RB....

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    First Round Pick We Need To Go RB....

    It's about time the Patriots reestablish running the ball, the last time we ran the ball well was with Corey Dillion and we won a superbowl.   With our other draft picks we can add a pass rusher, an OLB, and improve our 4th and 5th WR spots.  
    Javhid Best or CJ Spiller would be nice additions.     
     
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    LOL!  Yeah ok.....that would be a wasted pick.
     
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       Definetly need to upgrade the run game.  LM has shown rare glimpses of talent, but for the most part has been a waste of a pick.

     
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    I agree the Pats need to find a running game, but I think they should pick up a RB somewhere in the second or third round. I think outside linebackers, especially with AD probably leaving and Banta-Cain getting older, are more important than RB right now. Also, they need to get some players on their D-line. They aren't going to win games with no pass rush, and I think this is the time to draft them high.

    Plenty of second and third round picks have worked out for other teams in the past. It isn't rare to get a starting RB out of a second or third round pick. They still have Fred Taylor, Kevin Faulk, BJGE, and Laurence Marony. I'm not sure if Morris is a free agent or not. With a late second or third rounder that would give them some youth with decent potential and they could pick up the important defensive pieces earlier in the draft.

    I dunno, that's just my two cents. I would look at getting another tackle if I were them too. Vollmer is really the only solid tackle on the team, imo. Light and Kaczur are slipping
     
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    I think they'll consider drafting a RB with one of their 2nd round picks.  I like Mathews from Fresno State.  Led the nation in rushing this past season and can catch the ball well too.  He's been described as a hybrid between AP and LT.  Plus there's the Belichick connection with Pat Hill so I'm sure he'll endorse Mathews.   In fact, Hill suggested to Mathews that he enter the draft after his junior season even though he was Fresno's best player in years.  If the Pats commit to running the ball more with an aging Moss and the possibility of Welker missing half of next season, they'll need more depth on the O-line as well.  Drafting another OT to pair opposite Vollmer would make sense and there's decent depth at the position in this year's draft.  So here's how I see their first 2 rounds:

    1st Rd - OLB Sergio Kindle - Texas
    2nd Rd(44th overall) - RB Mathews - Fresno State
    2nd Rd(47th ") - OT Vladimir Ducasse - UMASS
    2nd Rd(53rd ") - DT Cam Thomas - North Carolina

    Thoughts? 
     
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     An upgrade at RB will help, but not much unless the OL is upgraded as well. I think if a 1st round talent at OG or OT is available at 22 that should be the pick. OLB or DE with the first pick in the 2nd, and RB later in the 2nd. I'd love to see Gerhart.
     
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    The 2010/2011 version of Tom Brady needs a running game to sell play-action.  Otherwise, it the same old, same old with the Patriots offense.   Fire away at Brady and double up on Moss.

    I'll second that LM was a wasted 1st round pick who is likely in his last season with the Patriots.
     
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    Too much depth at RB to use the 1st round pick on one.  Also it doesn't matter who we have running the ball if there aren't any upgrades made on the OL.
     
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    "The 2010/2011 version of Tom Brady needs a running game to sell play-action.  Otherwise, it the same old, same old with the Patriots offense.   Fire away at Brady and double up on Moss."


    Well said gfkr, and I agree...  Although in most recent Drafts, the positional needs of which I believe The Patriots Team needs first, have been targeted by NFL Franchises in the following order of being selected first: 


    ~FIRST Defensive End
    (NE desperately needs a 3-4 DE with a more all-around game, Not simply a run-stuffer (Warren) and not simply more of a pass-threat (Green-who's a FA anyway)...it's been only recently that Us Fans have concluded that 3-4 DEs simply "contain" the play for the 3-4 OLBs, BUT this isn't neccessarily the correct form of thought...Decent 3-4 DEs can be known to actually make a play or two as well.   Indeed, 3-4 DEs are a rare breed, and the select few that can even "potentially" be impact starters go so early-and more teams are switching to 3-4's, so this tendency will continue).

    ~THEN 3-4 Outside Linebacker (I've argued recently that NE should look to free agency in order to get a vet strongside OLB, since I DON'T see a true 3-4 Strongside OLB in this draft nor a rookie starting at that spot in a BB defense, BUT I DO see some potential weakside pass-rush specialists in this draft-and so even though, NE will need 2 OLBs, OLBs have slipped in the most recent 2 drafts, the very best draftees haven't been targeted until the late teens in rd 1, since teams are wary of taking a gamble on a College DE turned NFL OLB, and since this Draft Class is deep overall, I'd target the weakside OLB with the first 2nd rder of NE's).

    ~THEN Runningback (with teams targeting D-Lineman, and top-flight WRs along with Offensive Tackles to cover QBs weaksides in the now pass-happy NFL Running Backs, even guys that can be #1 RBs, Have been slipping much further down than they have, ever really...  YET, NE really DOES need a #1 Bigger back that's fast enough to be endzone threat and big enough to bull-through some Defensive arms and bodies that make it past NEs smaller O-Line built more for the passing game.  This RB by commitee is pathetic with each back now on NE, having very obvious strengths and weaknesses of which, The play-calling becomes far more recognizable to the oppossing Defenses).

    ~FINALLY Wide Receiver (NE should certainly STILL be able to shore up the #2 WR spot with that last pick of theirs in the 2nd rd.  CANNOT have simply a slot-guy and a deep-threat in the "New" Passing NFL, and with dual-coverage Safeties on Oppossing Defenses, I wouldn't select a TE, unless a really great one, like Oklahoma's Jermaine Gresham somehow slipped due to his injury last year.  So ya need a decent #2 Possession WR, who imho should be 6'1-6'3 and around 2 bills in weight at least so the guy can survive a hit over the middle of the field.  Speed is less a factor than sure-hands, fearlessness, and imho-above all else, crisp NFL route-trees.  Personally, I'm taken with Minnesotta's Eric Decker, who has ALL these traits and WILL be available with that final 2nd rder). 
    ~As an ALSO NOTE: I know NE just might need 2 starting Offensive Guards, but O-Line, IF you can pick any 1 single position on an NFL Team in the draft, O-Line is generally the deepest.  There's always guys under the radar for decent scouting teams, and in particular O-Guard, as oppossed to O-Tackles-slip further down the selection process.

    ~Again, This is in an "Ideal Draft World".  Imho, NE really should target a potentially excellent player at 1 of those 4 positions I've mentioned, MORE than NE should simply target a lesser guy due merely to Positional Need. 
     
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     Not one of those positions will keep Brady from being pounded, or give him time to throw to that WR, or open a hole for that RB.  Yes, we need to improve the pass rush, but as the last two seasons show, we first need to protect the number one asset.
     
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    Shiningwizard,
    In regards to," think they'll consider drafting a RB with one of their 2nd round picks.  I like Mathews from Fresno State.  Led the nation in rushing this past season and can catch the ball well too.  He's been described as a hybrid between AP and LT."

    I hope if we get him he doesnt fumble like AP and whine/cry like LT
     
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    BLOUNT
     
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    if the last sb was any indication of what we need to get a running game going, then it's not an rb we need to draft early. even law firm or morris could have ran for 6-7 yards a pop with those lanes that the offensive lines opened up.

    that said, pierre thomas earned a lot of yards after contact, when they were having a hard time moving the ball. it would be good to have an rb who can earn a few yards on his own, but for more consistent running game, you have to start with the OL, particularly witht he depth of rbs this year.
     
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    svae the first round pick

    Blount will be there in the fourth

    McCluster will be there in the second

    McCluster; built like and plays like DeSean Jackson of Philly - 6 feet 165 - 4.2 4.3 40 yard dash, he has played the wildcat WR, RB but his future is our third down back

    Blount; @ 6'2" 240 pounds he runs a 4.6 40 yard dash and he clearly plays with a mean streak LOL, he could get picked as early as the the fourth

    Tebow; this guy is a sinking ship, if he is there in the latter have of the second the patriots will jump back and grab him to be there next RB/HB/FB/QB

    with Tebow, McCluster, Faulk and Blount we have all the weapons we need at RB

    trade Maroney to the skins for a third round pick, CUT taylor, and play Sammy SOME not a lot
     
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    What about Reggie Bush  as a FA pick up????
     
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    "Not one of those positions will keep Brady from being pounded, or give him time to throw to that WR, or open a hole for that RB.  Yes, we need to improve the pass rush, but as the last two seasons show, we first need to protect the number one asset."
     
    ~My bad for just using The Bold Lettering on the 4 positional needs I'd target first and foremost in the upcoming draft...  Wanting posters to read the subsequent thoughts on WHY The Pats should target those positions before commenting, I really should have use some different array of control keys following the bold 2-3 word subject-headers, or use all-bold, or something...idk.  I just assumed people would read on, which was sorta d^mb of me...   
     
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    In Response to Re: First Round Pick We Need To Go RB....:
    "Definetly need to upgrade the run game.  LM has shown rare glimpses of talent, but for the most part has been a waste of a pick." Obviously that's your opinion.
    Posted by Patsfansince1966


    Well it may be, technically, an opinion. But it is one that is damn hard to argue against. And I would be willing to bet that it is one that will be proven as fact in the next few years.

    The amount of production that the Pats have received from Maroney is incredibly disappointing. First round picks that contribute almost nothing are, in fact, a wasted pick. But it happens. No team nails every pick. 
     
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    I think if they don't shore up the lines with a couple of guys than the skill position players have no chance.
     
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    Our rbs are mediocre...and thats all you really need in this league...a good offensive line with mediocre rbs is a good running game.

    a good rb with a mediocre offensive line is a bad running game

    can we all agree that more than 90% of running success is due to the oline than it is the rb?  Look at the G-men the past couple of years or the broncos from the shannahan era.  YOU DONT NEED A GOOD RB! YOU JUST NEED A GOOD OLINE, A RB WHO KNOWS HOW TO RUN THROUGH THE HOLES, AND A COMMITMENT TO THE RUN.

    I say shore up the oline, wrs and pass rush this draft.
    Next draft we can spend one of our 1st round picks on a rb...then hopefully we can have adrian peterson/chris johnson like performances.
    but no matter which rb you draft now, we aint having that kinda success until the oline is fixed first
     
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    One area that seems to get overlooked is--if we get a good young RB or 2, we can carry 4 RB instead of 5 allowing us more depth in another position.  I would like atleast 1 RB due to the nice depth in this draft for the position.  It is part of the "value" BB likes.
     
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    This is not the strongest draft for RB's,so maybe they address that need with a FA signing,unless someone falls to them in the Fourth round and I have read that Hardesty or Lonyae Miller might be still on the board at that time,maybe they take a flier on the kids from LSU Scott or Holliday,it would be like drafting Mutt and Jeff in the same draft.. The great part about mocking drafts is that you can project but there is no certainty that your targeted player will be available when you hoped they would be there. The one guy they could use will most likely not be available to the Patriots as Cory Spiller won't make it until the #22 pick in the first round. So then you have to draft from Macy's....
     
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    neeeuneeeeu LB/DE as the first round pick but i agree if spiller is still on the board when we are up draft him!!
     
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    Laz - Agree with your assessment of going for a DE with the first pick.  The pick will be between Odrick and Williams as they will both be there.

    If you're going to go after a RB I think you'll have to use that first 2nd rounder but I don't think any will be there.  As for WRs I would hope that the Pats would take care of this with FA.  The Pats have too many holes to fill.

    Everyone gets onto Maroney.  Was he worth a #1 pick?  Most likely not.  But I do think he is serviceable.  I place most of the blame on the OL.  The blocking just wasn't there.  They didn't blow anybody of the line this year.  We agree on the DE thing, a trench fix.  I think the trenches need a fix on the offensive side of the ball as well.
     
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