Hey TFB -How many threads have you started since 1-1-13?

In response to JRABBB's comment:

Hey TFB -How many threads have you started since 1-1-13?

hey Leon, how many intelligent things have you posted on here since you've been here? by my count, you're still at zero.

TFB12 contributes more to this board than you will ever contribute to anything in your useless life.

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I didn't think Welker was an option, didn't think Talib was an option but I thought for sure Seabass would be tagged. 

Maybe things are going good on the contract talks.

really bad for us with wes.. odds are now higher that a cash rich team like san fran could swoop in with $55m offer for 5 years with 24m GUARANTEED!

In response to redsoxfan94's comment:

In response to JRABBB's comment:

Hey TFB -How many threads have you started since 1-1-13?

hey Leon, how many intelligent things have you posted on here since you've been here? by my count, you're still at zero.

TFB12 contributes more to this board than you will ever contribute to anything in your useless life.

I love clever come backs! LOL, Thanks for my evening chuckle!

In response to BostonProSportsLover's comment:

In response to TFB12's comment:

I didn't think Welker was an option, didn't think Talib was an option but I thought for sure Seabass would be tagged. 

Maybe things are going good on the contract talks.

really bad for us with wes.. odds are now higher that a cash rich team like san fran could swoop in with $55m offer for 5 years with 24m GUARANTEED!

Let san fran be stupid and try to sign welker for that much money. Makes them less threatening down the road when they have tons of money tied up in an aging player who will likely underproduce in the later years of that contract.

I guess the Pats not using the tag on any one means they are confident they can retain the players that they want back. Which is a good thing right? 

Hey TFB -How many threads have you started since 1-1-13?

In response to JRABBB's comment:

Hey TFB -How many threads have you started since 1-1-13?

hey Leon, how many intelligent things have you posted on here since you've been here? by my count, you're still at zero.

TFB12 contributes more to this board than you will ever contribute to anything in your useless life.

In response to BostonProSportsLover's comment:

In response to TFB12's comment:

I didn't think Welker was an option, didn't think Talib was an option but I thought for sure Seabass would be tagged. 

Maybe things are going good on the contract talks.

really bad for us with wes.. odds are now higher that a cash rich team like san fran could swoop in with $55m offer for 5 years with 24m GUARANTEED!

Let san fran be stupid and try to sign welker for that much money. Makes them less threatening down the road when they have tons of money tied up in an aging player who will likely underproduce in the later years of that contract.

I guess the Pats not using the tag on any one means they are confident they can retain the players that they want back. Which is a good thing right? 

Hey TFB -How many threads have you started since 1-1-13?

Not really shocked no one got the tage. I'd love to have all back but at the right price and none of those prices are higher then the tag.

For Vollmer, the tag is for LT money and I know a coupe of RT's got paid but I don't think what he's going to command will be as much. If they are looking for something long term it's better to let him test the market and come back with a deal that is lower then the tag hit and sign him then.

For Wes, love the guy but if someone wants to give him $55mil and 5 years well good luck to him. He's a great player for the Pats but not for that much.

For Talib, the market is flooded with CB's in Talib's tier: Houston, DRC, Robinson, Smith, Lewis, Grimes, Talib. I don't think his market is going to be nearly as deep as people think

In response to PatsEng's comment:

Not really shocked no one got the tage. I'd love to have all back but at the right price and none of those prices are higher then the tag.

For Vollmer, the tag is for LT money and I know a coupe of RT's got paid but I don't think what he's going to command will be as much. If they are looking for something long term it's better to let him test the market and come back with a deal that is lower then the tag hit and sign him then.

For Wes, love the guy but if someone wants to give him $55mil and 5 years well good luck to him. He's a great player for the Pats but not for that much.

For Talib, the market is flooded with CB's in Talib's tier: Houston, DRC, Robinson, Smith, Lewis, Grimes, Talib. I don't think his market is going to be nearly as deep as people think

I think Talib is a bigger and more physical CB that is a better tackler than most CB's. I do think he fits in the top 5 tier for CB's, but his off field issues will take some teams out of contention.

I actually do not think the Pats would have had interest in Talib if he did not play with them this past season. I think the Pats know what they have in Talib, and feel they can work with him.

I think the Pats trepidation is not with the $$ but with the length and guarantee's. Thats why I thought 1 year at $8-$9 would have been something of interest to the Pats, but Talib's agent obviously feels better offers will be out there in spite of the glut.

If I am the Pats, even 2/$16-$18 with $10 guaranteed works, but again it appears Talib feels better is available

In response to rkarp's comment:

In response to PatsEng's comment:

Not really shocked no one got the tage. I'd love to have all back but at the right price and none of those prices are higher then the tag.

For Vollmer, the tag is for LT money and I know a coupe of RT's got paid but I don't think what he's going to command will be as much. If they are looking for something long term it's better to let him test the market and come back with a deal that is lower then the tag hit and sign him then.

For Wes, love the guy but if someone wants to give him $55mil and 5 years well good luck to him. He's a great player for the Pats but not for that much.

For Talib, the market is flooded with CB's in Talib's tier: Houston, DRC, Robinson, Smith, Lewis, Grimes, Talib. I don't think his market is going to be nearly as deep as people think

I think Talib is a bigger and more physical CB that is a better tackler than most CB's. I do think he fits in the top 5 tier for CB's, but his off field issues will take some teams out of contention.

I actually do not think the Pats would have had interest in Talib if he did not play with them this past season. I think the Pats know what they have in Talib, and feel they can work with him.

I think the Pats trepidation is not with the $$ but with the length and guarantee's. Thats why I thought 1 year at $8-$9 would have been something of interest to the Pats, but Talib's agent obviously feels better offers will be out there in spite of the glut.

If I am the Pats, even 2/$16-$18 with $10 guaranteed works, but again it appears Talib feels better is available

I think you are way over estimating what Talib is going to get on the market. Lets face it, yes Talib is one of the better CBs when he's on his game but a number of factors need to be taken into account.

• He's inconsistent in his career and even on the Pats his play was inconsistent (see Hou game)
• He has trouble staying on the field
• He already has 1 PED strike which means next one is half a year
• He didn't grade out as even a top 20 CB when he was on the Pats
• He has off-field concerns
• He has work ethic/locker room concern

When you start to add all that up and even with his high talent it doesn't look as good as a solid stable corner. DRC has the ability to perform the same on the field without the PED and off-field issues. Houston and Lewis, though not as talented, are more stable/consistent and less of an off-field concern. Grimes is a health concern same as Talib without all the other stuff. There are plenty of options out there and Talib is in the middle of the them because of all his issues. Now we saw him play and really any starting caliber CB would have improved this secondary last year so I think we are over valuing him. I'm thinking he'll get closer to a $5-6mil prove it contract maybe for 1-2 years.

In response to rkarp's comment:

In response to PatsEng's comment:

Not really shocked no one got the tage. I'd love to have all back but at the right price and none of those prices are higher then the tag.

For Vollmer, the tag is for LT money and I know a coupe of RT's got paid but I don't think what he's going to command will be as much. If they are looking for something long term it's better to let him test the market and come back with a deal that is lower then the tag hit and sign him then.

For Wes, love the guy but if someone wants to give him $55mil and 5 years well good luck to him. He's a great player for the Pats but not for that much.

For Talib, the market is flooded with CB's in Talib's tier: Houston, DRC, Robinson, Smith, Lewis, Grimes, Talib. I don't think his market is going to be nearly as deep as people think

I think Talib is a bigger and more physical CB that is a better tackler than most CB's. I do think he fits in the top 5 tier for CB's, but his off field issues will take some teams out of contention.

I actually do not think the Pats would have had interest in Talib if he did not play with them this past season. I think the Pats know what they have in Talib, and feel they can work with him.

I think the Pats trepidation is not with the $$ but with the length and guarantee's. Thats why I thought 1 year at $8-$9 would have been something of interest to the Pats, but Talib's agent obviously feels better offers will be out there in spite of the glut.

If I am the Pats, even 2/$16-$18 with $10 guaranteed works, but again it appears Talib feels better is available

I think you are way over estimating what Talib is going to get on the market. Lets face it, yes Talib is one of the better CBs when he's on his game but a number of factors need to be taken into account.

• He's inconsistent in his career and even on the Pats his play was inconsistent (see Hou game)
• He has trouble staying on the field
• He already has 1 PED strike which means next one is half a year
• He didn't grade out as even a top 20 CB when he was on the Pats
• He has off-field concerns
• He has work ethic/locker room concern

When you start to add all that up and even with his high talent it doesn't look as good as a solid stable corner. DRC has the ability to perform the same on the field without the PED and off-field issues. Houston and Lewis, though not as talented, are more stable/consistent and less of an off-field concern. Grimes is a health concern same as Talib without all the other stuff. There are plenty of options out there and Talib is in the middle of the them because of all his issues. Now we saw him play and really any starting caliber CB would have improved this secondary last year so I think we are over valuing him. I'm thinking he'll get closer to a $5-6mil prove it contract maybe for 1-2 years.