Re: Franchise tag not used by the Patriots
posted at 3/5/2013 10:39 AM EST
In response to PatsEng's comment:
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to PatsEng's comment:
Not really shocked no one got the tage. I'd love to have all back but at the right price and none of those prices are higher then the tag.
For Vollmer, the tag is for LT money and I know a coupe of RT's got paid but I don't think what he's going to command will be as much. If they are looking for something long term it's better to let him test the market and come back with a deal that is lower then the tag hit and sign him then.
For Wes, love the guy but if someone wants to give him $55mil and 5 years well good luck to him. He's a great player for the Pats but not for that much.
For Talib, the market is flooded with CB's in Talib's tier: Houston, DRC, Robinson, Smith, Lewis, Grimes, Talib. I don't think his market is going to be nearly as deep as people think
I think Talib is a bigger and more physical CB that is a better tackler than most CB's. I do think he fits in the top 5 tier for CB's, but his off field issues will take some teams out of contention.
I actually do not think the Pats would have had interest in Talib if he did not play with them this past season. I think the Pats know what they have in Talib, and feel they can work with him.
I think the Pats trepidation is not with the $$ but with the length and guarantee's. Thats why I thought 1 year at $8-$9 would have been something of interest to the Pats, but Talib's agent obviously feels better offers will be out there in spite of the glut.
If I am the Pats, even 2/$16-$18 with $10 guaranteed works, but again it appears Talib feels better is available
I think you are way over estimating what Talib is going to get on the market. Lets face it, yes Talib is one of the better CBs when he's on his game but a number of factors need to be taken into account.
- He's inconsistent in his career and even on the Pats his play was inconsistent (see Hou game)
- He has trouble staying on the field
- He already has 1 PED strike which means next one is half a year
- He didn't grade out as even a top 20 CB when he was on the Pats
- He has off-field concerns
- He has work ethic/locker room concern
When you start to add all that up and even with his high talent it doesn't look as good as a solid stable corner. DRC has the ability to perform the same on the field without the PED and off-field issues. Houston and Lewis, though not as talented, are more stable/consistent and less of an off-field concern. Grimes is a health concern same as Talib without all the other stuff. There are plenty of options out there and Talib is in the middle of the them because of all his issues. Now we saw him play and really any starting caliber CB would have improved this secondary last year so I think we are over valuing him. I'm thinking he'll get closer to a $5-6mil prove it contract maybe for 1-2 years.
I think you are looking at it like the Pats are looking at it. I hope you (and the Pats) are correct. I have to assume the Pats made him an offer already. I also have to assume some one has whispered in Talib's agents ear, allowing him to pass on the Pats offer. Knowing how BB negotiates, most likely he gave Talib his best offer already, and Talib passed....so far. Thats not to say someone comes in higher. Maybe Pats offer will be best Talib gets.
Talib's injury history shows nothing major, mostly hamstring and tendon issues. He has age and size on his side. He has also shown that not only can he play the Pats system, but he can be game planned for a particular opposing team.
I thought DRC played very poorly last year. I do like Grimes in that top tier, but I think his cost is just as high, or higher than Talib.
I would hate to see the Pats try and get a CB for middling or bottom $$$'s. I thought they did that last year with Gregory. Gregory was a 3rd safety in a rotation, forced to start with the Pats due to others poor play. Pats need a big, physical CB that can be game planned to jam and play big time WR's one on one much of a game. They need a CB that can tackle.
Talib is not Revis, but we know what he is, what he can and cant do. I hope the Pats can retain him.