Game Lost In The Trenches

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    Game Lost In The Trenches

    It was a good game, just a bummerz we were on the losing end of that one. One too many mental mistakes, another turnover by Ridley, defense gave up some long plays, Brady harassed just enough; especially at the end of the game.

    Next week gonna be that much tougher?  Thank goodness that's a home game.

     
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    It was a good game, just a bummerz we were on the losing end of that one. One too many mental mistakes, another turnover by Ridley, defense gave up some long plays, Brady harassed just enough; especially at the end of the game.

    Next week gonna be that much tougher?  Thank goodness that's a home game.

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    If Talib and Dennard are out, there is no way they win next week. If they are in, then I think they come away with it. 

    Game was lost in the trenches. You need to be able to get off the field on defense. Really. 

    At the same time, NE has lost a lot on defense, so at this point ... it is what it is. No Mayo. No Wilfork. No Kelly. 

    It hurts. 

     
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    It's a damn shame what has happened to the D this season, becaue it looked good at the start of the season ... no team can win with all their best front line playerss out for extended periods ... impossible ... I think Talib may well be done too.  These hip flexor problems are bad news ... I know first hand ... I battled it for 5 years ... and it still flairs up and I am not tackling  220 lb receivers ...

    Mayo ... Wilfork ... Kelly ... Dennard ... Talib ... Gregory .... just ridiculous.

    Bad D drafting over the years  has come back to haunt the Pats ... hence lack of depth ... T. Wilson, Ebner, Butler, Chung, Meriweather, Brace, Wilhite, Cunningham, the skinny Michigan LB ... I'll throw in Hightower too ... he ain't no 1st round talent ...

     

     

     
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    The running game was decent, pass pro was good for the most part( except for the last minute drive)  Besides Cam scrambling on third and longs the panthers run game wasnt much.  

      The big negative that I saw was the total lack of a pass rush. These DTs just cant push the pocket. 

     
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    It was a good game, just a bummerz we were on the losing end of that one. One too many mental mistakes, another turnover by Ridley, defense gave up some long plays, Brady harassed just enough; especially at the end of the game.

    Next week gonna be that much tougher?  Thank goodness that's a home game.

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    If Talib and Dennard are out, there is no way they win next week. If they are in, then I think they come away with it. 

    Game was lost in the trenches. You need to be able to get off the field on defense. Really. 

    At the same time, NE has lost a lot on defense, so at this point ... it is what it is. No Mayo. No Wilfork. No Kelly. 

    It hurts. 

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    I agree.  We can only lose so many starters on defense before things on that side of the ball regress.  Plus, our offense (at least for just one game) was overstated after the Steelers game - even after getting Vereen back.  The inside OL is giving away too much pressure up the middle - and, at times, not giving Brady enough time to throw.

     
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    It's a damn shame what has happened to the D this season, becaue it looked good at the start of the season ... no team can win with all their best front line playerss out for extended periods ... impossible ... I think Talib may well be done too.  These hip flexor problems are bad news ... I know first hand ... I battled it for 5 years ... and it still flairs up and I am not tackling  220 lb receivers ...

    Mayo ... Wilfork ... Kelly ... Dennard ... Talib ... Gregory .... just ridiculous.

    Bad D drafting over the years  has come back to haunt the Pats ... hence lack of depth ... T. Wilson, Ebner, Butler, Chung, Meriweather, Brace, Wilhite, Cunningham, the skinny Michigan LB ... I'll throw in Hightower too ... he ain't no 1st round talent ...

     

     

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    The defense was looking pretty darn good.  They were in the top 5 in points against, got their pass defense to around 15, are still top 5 in takeaway/giveaway.  They had taken a hit with run defense (even before Wilfork got injured) - but I was okay with that.  The injuries on the defensive side of the ball has taken their toll.

     
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    The running game was decent, pass pro was good for the most part( except for the last minute drive)  Besides Cam scrambling on third and longs the panthers run game wasnt much.  

      The big negative that I saw was the total lack of a pass rush. These DTs just cant push the pocket. 

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    I can't argue with what you've said. The fumble by Ridley and 2-3 mental mistakes/penalties didn't help.  The Panthers did a great job and force the Patriots to play their kind of game.

     
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    I don't know about the trenches thing. The Pats OL played fine against a tough front seven. Ran it well. They stopped themselves on 3rd and 1 by passing. I'll never understand that. If you get stopped, take the easy FG, but don't stop yourself. 

    The DL was pretty stout I thought. Newton was the only guy who did anything running the ball. The pressure was non-existent in the first half but not bad in the second. Nink played well, Jones also.

    That said, I agree that they aren't beating Manning with Marquice Cole starting.  

     
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    I don't know about the trenches thing. The Pats OL played fine against a tough front seven. Ran it well. They stopped themselves on 3rd and 1 by passing. I'll never understand that. If you get stopped, take the easy FG, but don't stop yourself. 

    The DL was pretty stout I thought. Newton was the only guy who did anything running the ball. The pressure was non-existent in the first half but not bad in the second. Nink played well, Jones also.

    That said, I agree that they aren't beating Manning with Marquice Cole starting.  

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    I agree with your observations, concerning the game.  However, I disagree about the upcoming game with the Broncos.  Based on what I have seen, so far, I think this team, as it is right now, has a good chance to win next Sunday night.

     
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    The big negative that I saw was the total lack of a pass rush. These DTs just cant push the pocket. 

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    This ^

    Cam Newton had all day to throw, had forever to throw, the few sacks we got were coverage sacks, our 3rd down defensive ranking is plummeting for a reason, our defensive tackles are getting blown off the ball, being blocked one on one, if Newton needed a first down all he had to do was run because our tiny DT's couldn't contain and couldn't shed blocks.  

    The loss of both Wilfork and Kelly is too large to overcome, any well balanced offense will have it's way with us.  The most we can hope for going forward is that the offense becomes too good to stop and the defense becomes opportunistic again and starts causing turnovers, tough to do when opponents play a conservative, ball control game plan, which smart teams will do going forward...

    It wasn't the bad calls on McCourty and the hold on Gronk (although those were certainly bad calls) it wasn't a single bad play by Talib or Arrington, it is an overall weakness in the dead center of our defensive front that makes all of our pass rushers, linebackers and defensive backs look bad because it starts up front and nothing is happening up front.  

    Chris Jones, Vellano, Sopoaga and Fortson are nice complementary players but theres not a dominant starter amongst them.  This isn't a debate.  We had these same defensive issues when Love and Deaderick were starters for the exact same reasons, with Wilfork and Kelly we were the best defense in the NFL.  It's not a mystery.  Wilfork was the single most irreplaceable defender on our team and he is gone.

     
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    The big negative that I saw was the total lack of a pass rush. These DTs just cant push the pocket. 

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    This ^

    Cam Newton had all day to throw, had forever to throw, the few sacks we got were coverage sacks, our 3rd down defensive ranking is plummeting for a reason, our defensive tackles are getting blown off the ball, being blocked one on one, if Newton needed a first down all he had to do was run because our tiny DT's couldn't contain and couldn't shed blocks.  

    The loss of both Wilfork and Kelly is too large to overcome, any well balanced offense will have it's way with us.  The most we can hope for going forward is that the offense becomes too good to stop and the defense becomes opportunistic again and starts causing turnovers, tough to do when opponents play a conservative, ball control game plan, which smart teams will do going forward...

    It wasn't the bad calls on McCourty and the hold on Gronk (although those were certainly bad calls) it wasn't a single bad play by Talib or Arrington, it is an overall weakness in the dead center of our defensive front that makes all of our pass rushers, linebackers and defensive backs look bad because it starts up front and nothing is happening up front.  

    Chris Jones, Vellano, Sopoaga and Fortson are nice complementary players but theres not a dominant starter amongst them.  This isn't a debate.  We had these same defensive issues when Love and Deaderick were starters for the exact same reasons, with Wilfork and Kelly we were the best defense in the NFL.  It's not a mystery.  Wilfork was the single most irreplaceable defender on our team and he is gone.

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    Agree 10000% need better dlinemen

     
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    Most here knew it was going to be a tough game. It was one of those games where the team who makes the least mistakes win and that is exactly what happened.  Bonehead mistakes on Talib and Mankins.  Arrington blows and Talib hurt again. Not looking good for next weekend.

     
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    Mayo ... Wilfork ... Kelly ... Dennard ... Talib ... Gregory .... just ridiculous.

    Bad D drafting over the years  has come back to haunt the Pats ... hence lack of depth ... T. Wilson, Ebner, Butler, Chung, Meriweather, Brace, Wilhite, Cunningham, the skinny Michigan LB ... I'll throw in Hightower too ... he ain't no 1st round talent ...

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    Isn't it our depth that has kept us in 1st place still at 7-3?

     
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    Wow, I didn't realize "Butterfingers Ridley" played in the trenches.

     
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    Isn't it our depth that has kept us in 1st place still at 7-3?

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    Yes, we are extraordinarily deep at every position but DT...

     
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    Wow, I didn't realize "Butterfingers Ridley" played in the trenches.

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    Vereen dropped a key sideline pass that should have been caught too.

     
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    It's a damn shame what has happened to the D this season, becaue it looked good at the start of the season ... no team can win with all their best front line playerss out for extended periods ... impossible ... I think Talib may well be done too.  These hip flexor problems are bad news ... I know first hand ... I battled it for 5 years ... and it still flairs up and I am not tackling  220 lb receivers ...

    Mayo ... Wilfork ... Kelly ... Dennard ... Talib ... Gregory .... just ridiculous.

    Bad D drafting over the years  has come back to haunt the Pats ... hence lack of depth ... T. Wilson, Ebner, Butler, Chung, Meriweather, Brace, Wilhite, Cunningham, the skinny Michigan LB ... I'll throw in Hightower too ... he ain't no 1st round talent ...

     

     

    You left out Wheatley and Ras I Dowling.


     
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    Agree 100 % with Wozzy's well written summary. Chris Jones got some qb pressures and sacks in his first few games but is too small to generate consistent pressure (especially when teams are now aware of him). Pressure up the middle is the key to a pass rush and we've got none right now.

    Thought Sopoago did well versus the run but can't generate pressure.

    Also Andre Carter doesn't appear to have anything left.

     
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    Wow, I didn't realize "Butterfingers Ridley" played in the trenches.

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    Vereen dropped a key sideline pass that should have been caught too.

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    That he did. But that was 1/10th of Ridley's catastrophe. Plus Vereen did much more in the passing game than butterfingers did in the ground game. Blount was a far more effective runner than butterfingers as well.

     
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    Game was lost because:

    1. Ridley fumble

    2. Letting Cam Newton have 3 big runs, defense not containing himon 3rd down

    3. Refs screwing the Patriots. They should have called holding, not PI. They gave themselves a way out. The back judge should've have told them to F off.

     

     

     
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    Game was lost because:

    1. Ridley fumble

    2. Letting Cam Newton have 3 big runs, defense not containing himon 3rd down

    3. Refs screwing the Patriots. They should have called holding, not PI. They gave themselves a way out. The back judge should've have told them to F off.

     

     

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    Yup.

     
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    Game was lost because:

    1. Ridley fumble

    2. Letting Cam Newton have 3 big runs, defense not containing himon 3rd down

    3. Refs screwing the Patriots. They should have called holding, not PI. They gave themselves a way out. The back judge should've have told them to F off.

     

     

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    Didn't Mankins have another stupid penalty (put them in a second and 20 something) on the drive when the Pats had to settle for a field goal?

     
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    Game was lost because:

    2. Letting Cam Newton have 3 big runs, defense not containing himon 3rd down

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    This ^ is one and the same of what I posted above.  Our third down defense is going from best to worse, it all starts and ends with the defensive tackles.

     
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    Game was lost because:

    2. Letting Cam Newton have 3 big runs, defense not containing himon 3rd down

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    This ^ is one and the same of what I posted above.  Our third down defense is going from best to worse, it all starts and ends with the defensive tackles.

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    had started a thread on this earlier, but noone seemed interested...lol.

     
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    Game was lost because:

    2. Letting Cam Newton have 3 big runs, defense not containing himon 3rd down

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    This ^ is one and the same of what I posted above.  Our third down defense is going from best to worse, it all starts and ends with the defensive tackles.

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    youda though BB would have had someone spying him especially on 3rd downs. especially after the first big gain he got.

    BB needs to clean house on the defensive coaching after the season. I know the D has alot of injuries, but sometimes they don't play fundamentally sound.

     

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