Game Planning Manning

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    Game Planning Manning

    the pats have been useing hoyer to mimic manning,and from what they are saying,he is doing a good job of it.hopefully it pays off sunday.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view/20091114jed_hoyer_in_peytons_place_impressions_a_snap/
     
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    Re: Pressureing Manning

    I have a real good feeling about this year's team.  They're going to get it done this time.  They will have something to contain Peyton.
     
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    Re: Pressureing Manning

    even though they havent gotten it done to much this year,I hope we see it in this game.some teams you can have the relaxed defense,or conservative,but the teams like the colts,and saints.you have to have a successful pass rush,and more of it.
     
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    if the pats can get the rush on manning,it will go a long way in the game.the more uncomfortable he is,the more mistakes he could make.
     
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    Moss, the Pats haven't had a pass rush since Big Willie left.  The personal they have dosen't lend to much pressure.  I would rather see us blitz all day and give up a couple big plays, then let Manning methodically pick us apart.  But Bill likes the bend but don't break, which hasn't worked against Manning the last few times.  Lets hope he lets them loose.
     
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    I agree.ive stated before that the bend and dont break defense works on some teams,but when you play a team like the colts,it will get broken.so after reading the hoyer thing,i hope the pats realize it also.
     
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    Well the last two times we played them we held them to 20 and 18 points so I'd say the ol' bend but don't break has worked out just fine.
     
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    even belichick knows

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/13/belichick-concerned-about-pressuring-peyton/
     
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    In Response to Re: Game Planning Manning:
    Well the last two times we played them we held them to 20 and 18 points so I'd say the ol' bend but don't break has worked out just fine.
    Posted by themightypatriotz
    who won?its only good when you win.
     
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    the pats have been useing hoyer to mimic manning,and from what they are saying,he is doing a good job of it.hopefully it pays off sunday. http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view/20091114jed_hoyer_in_peytons_place_impressions_a_snap/
    Posted by mosseffect43


    I'm just hoping they blitz 'jughead' constantly. That will truly be fun for me to watch regardless of the game's outcome. :) To watch 'him' throw his hands up in the air in frustration is uber satisfying. lol
     
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    In Response to Re: Game Planning Manning : who won?its only good when you win.
    Posted by mosseffect43


    So you're saying the reason we lost is because the bend but don't break held them to 18 points?  Come on man, you can't blame everything on the defense.
     
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    In Response to Re: Game Planning Manning:
    In Response to Re: Game Planning Manning : So you're saying the reason we lost is because the bend but don't break held them to 18 points?  Come on man, you can't blame everything on the defense.
    Posted by themightypatriotz
    not everything,but they say defense wins championships.close only counts in horse shoes.if they had held them to two touchdowns,we would have won the game.but it helps when brady is playing.
     
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    In Response to Game Planning Manning : I'm just hoping they blitz 'jughead' constantly. That will truly be fun for me to watch regardless of the game's outcome. :) To watch 'him' throw his hands up in the air in frustration is uber satisfying. lol
    Posted by CTLadyluvsPats
    ct-it would be like the commercial priceless!
     
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     it depends on the drive the colts had to get into the feild goal range.i will blame the defense on that drive,but not the game plan.anything less then a win isnt good enough.because on that one drive to get that 3 points.a receiver had burned our defensive back,or there running back had just ran all over us to get into that feild goal range.or peyton had all the time to dictate what he wanted on that drive.not to mention its obvious the offense isnt doing much.

     
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    Moss you lost all credibility with your last couple of posts. Z, glad to see someone said something. I was ready to unload.
     
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    Moss you lost all credibility with your last couple of posts. Z, glad to see someone said something. I was ready to unload.
    Posted by MaritimePatsFan
    please do! the bottom line to my point is,anything less of a win isnt good enough.how can someone rave about something if your team has lost.its like seeing on the board the day after lets say the 3-0 loss,someone saying the defense really looked,and played great in that game.but i would look at that one drive that got them that 3 points.so really im makeing a whole lot more sense.for you wont hear me brag about something following a loss.
     
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    So then, on the same token, if NE won 59-58, the defense played well, no?
    Posted by zbellino
     NO they didnt then its a shoot out of offenses.the defenses have become non-existent.it would have been the last team with the ball wins.i know your trying to be cute,but thats fine,but bottom line is anything less of a win isnt worth bragging about.
     
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    loved Z's posts! hehe.

     
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    Moss, there are three phases of the game, as every NFL coach has stated numerous times. Offense, Defense and Special Teams. I think everyone understands the W is the most important stat at the end of the game. But to say in a 3-0 loss that the Defense lost the game because on that drive where they scored that field goal is ridiculous.

    So here let me break it down for you why it is not the Defense's fault in a 3-0 loss.

    We must go back to the three phases. In a game that ends at 3-0 field position is crucial. Special teams would play a huge factor in this game. I would imagine a lot of punting going on. This also means that our offense is not moving the ball, not picking up first downs, because if they did I would imagine sooner or later they would get to the other end of the field, umm right? That is how you score TD's and ultimately put points on the board, no? Since we know that the score is 3-0 at the end of this hypothetical game we know that our offense did not do its job for 60 minutes of play correct, but they surely cannot be the ones to blame, right?

    Our defense also did its job for 60 minutes right? I say this because technically they did not let the other team score when they were on the field. Actually when kicking a field goal or defending a field goal, those are considered special teams unit. I mean it is a defense's job to not allow TD, which our defense did in this game. It was the Special Teams unit that failed to block the field goal. The Special Teams unit failed us. So, like I said before to say in a 3-0 loss it is the defense's fault is just plain ridiculous.

    That is why you have lost all credibility, Moss
     
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    I agree a 3-0 game is a defensive battle.not only on this topic did i say the defense may have failed on one drive,but i also stated the offense didnt do much either.special teams i really dont critic on,unless they let a punt,or kick off get returned for huge yardage,or a TD.but we all are visioning a diffrent kind of a 3-0 game,at least in how it unfolds.
     
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    Back in the Ty Law days we'd knock the receivers hard at the line to throw the timing off. If you can pressure Manning (ideally without blitzing) and disrupt routes by getting physical with the receivers you can disrupt the timing of that offense and get Manning rattled.  Not sure anyone in our current crop of corners is as physical as Law was, but maybe we can get enough big hits from our safeties to get the receivers thinking twice before they catch the ball.
     
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    Moss, the backpedaling begins. You stated that if the Pats hold the Colts to 18 points and we lose its the Defense's fault. Then when Z asked if we lost 3-0, you said yes its the D's fault because they failed by allowing the opposing teams offense to allow the field goal, we now know thats not true because I explained to you defense stops TDs and Special Teams units try to block field goals.

    Either way you look at it, your initial statement that in holding the Colts to 18 points and still losing means its the D's fault. It is a team loss. All three phases of the game lost. I think most would assume holding the Colts to 18 points means we played very good defensively. That is what was being said.

     
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    Last time, with Matt Cassel running things, the Colts needed a 52 yard field goal by Vinatieri to go ahead 18-15, and then the Patriots were pushed back out of field goal range by a penalty, so the final score was 18-15. 

    Peyton Manning is only a field goal ahead of Cassel?

    Three things have changed:  Cassel is gone, VInatieri is on injured reserve and the entire Patriots defensive backfield is new, but they've been working together for nine weeks.  All these rookies add speed to the passing D.

    So, why not use last year's game plan?  Brady can beat 18 points most days.

    I'm reading that you have to make Peyton dance in the pocket, distract him, to lower his quarterback rating.  You may never hit him but you have to try.

    I'm a fan of BB's patented big nickel.  This defense appears to have been designed especially for one pass-happy team, Indy.

    Adalius Thomas covered Dallas Clark successfully in last year's game, allowing 2 catches.  Brandon McGowan may share those duties at times.  Taking away Clark apparently makes things harder for Peyton.
     
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    The Colts' receiving corp will not be thinking twice. They will be running and catching.  It doesn't matter if the Patsies have some big hits.  The Colts will find the open man on a consistent basis.  Colts 24 NE 23.

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    Back in the Ty Law days we'd knock the receivers hard at the line to throw the timing off. If you can pressure Manning (ideally without blitzing) and disrupt routes by getting physical with the receivers you can disrupt the timing of that offense and get Manning rattled.  Not sure anyone in our current crop of corners is as physical as Law was, but maybe we can get enough big hits from our safeties to get the receivers thinking twice before they catch the ball.
    Posted by soloflyfisher

     
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    Last time, with Matt Cassel running things, the Colts needed a 52 yard field goal by Vinatieri to go ahead 18-15, and then the Patriots were pushed back out of field goal range by a penalty, so the final score was 18-15.  Peyton Manning is only a field goal ahead of Cassel? Three things have changed:  Cassel is gone, VInatieri is on injured reserve and the entire Patriots defensive backfield is new, but they've been working together for nine weeks.  All these rookies add speed to the passing D. So, why not use last year's game plan?  Brady can beat 18 points most days. I'm reading that you have to make Peyton dance in the pocket, distract him, to lower his quarterback rating.  You may never hit him but you have to try. I'm a fan of BB's patented big nickel.  This defense appears to have been designed especially for one pass-happy team, Indy. Adalius Thomas covered Dallas Clark successfully in last year's game, allowing 2 catches.  Brandon McGowan may share those duties at times.  Taking away Clark apparently makes things harder for Peyton.
    Posted by Paul_K


    Clark had 4 catches for 63 yards. Thomas held Clark to two catches when he played for Baltimore.

    Taking away Clark for Manning is equivalent to taking away Welker for Brady. Clark and Welker are the chain movers for these offenses. Yes Moss and Wayne make big plays and can move the chains, but these two are the reliable checkdowns that both look too.

    Seems to me Bill has tried to increase the number of checkdowns for Tom by getting another quick, underneath, sure handed receiver in Edelman. Figure they already had two in Welker and Faulk and by adding a third should make this offense hard to get off the field on third down. Give it till next year, Once all these guys are healthy and on the field together for a year...we have all heard the Pats "dink and dunk" down the field, but we really have no idea...

    Also, this will open the long ball up immensely for Randy and possibly Tate who will get his shot next year.
     
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