Gary Guyton Time To Move On!!

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    Guyton has had has time. Look at the Jets game when he put his hand up to cover LT and he was in movement going the same way and still missed him in the corner for the touchdown.
    He is supposed to have real speed for a LB.
    Watch the play and you may agree.
    Not a hitter either. We need linebackers like Woodley, Harrison, DeMarcus Ware, Mathews, Suggs, Lewis.
    I couldn't care if they are not BBs "prototype"......6'7", 275lb and hold every degree possible.
    Let's dish out some aggression on defence instead of always trading down for value or bringing in vets who we take a punt on. Can't beat talent and this is the year with Brady not having a lot of time left. Other teams know we are soft at crunch time. Fight fire with fire BB.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Gary Guyton Time To Move On!! : Most of the 2010 Pats D are young players that are 1st or 2nd round draft choices that are going to be a force for years to come with a couple of additions. When you get a clue let us know! 
    Posted by Prophet76[/QUOTE]

    I guess it means because we are young we are going to be good...right? I've been hearing that about Merriweather and Crable for 5 years now, whilite for three, Wheatley..oh wait, Butler for two. Christ the Celtics sang that tune for a decade. A decade!! Until they decided to get old (Garnett, Allen) and get good, but that takes cash...something that we are sooo scared to spend because of Adalius Thomas (the evil villan who never made a single tackle). Or because Patriot Place cost a boat load and there is a shopping center down the street that is cheaper.
     
    Maybe third year will be a charm for Brace, Guyton, Butler.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Gary Guyton Time To Move On!! : Perhaps the most ignorant paragraph I have ever read on this board. Congrats Tcal, you could have made P-Mike's "Posties" awards for "Fan that just doesn't get it"
    Posted by TrueChamp[/QUOTE]

    lol, It's truly sad that the Status Quo sheep don't have the brain power to process the fact that 3 horrific Playoff losses in a row, Two being the Colt one and done type, doesn't mean we have a good defense. 

    Once again TBC, Butler, Wilhite, Meriweather and all the players we pulled off XFL rosters sux.  Only a True Chump wouldn't get that.Wink
     
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    I can't believe you guys are trying to hang this playoff loss on the defense? 

    The Jets started just about every possession the Patriot side of the field, the offense couldn't tie their own shoes and punting became so commonplace that we thought we'd run a fake since the offense couldn't get a first down.. how'd that work out?

    Can the defense improve, absolutely, we can beef up the front with another D tackle and get some nice pass rushers, but we knew the D was rebuilding this season anyhow.  Notice all the threads about discontent with the D is in reference to "pass coverage," you can have the best defense ever, but if your D is stuck on the field all game because your offense is three and out again and again and again... then things like lack of consistent pass rush start to come to the forefront.  

    No defender can cover forever, defenses get tired of having to march out on the field over and over with the offense laying a goose egg after goose egg.

    The average age of the defense is 23 years old, we all (or at least the realists) expected them to make mistakes, but please don't point to the amount of passing yards they give up and say that is the indicator of anything. We won three Super Bowls with the same "bend don't break" defense, the only difference is that back then we had a ball control, smash mouth offense that wouldn't give the ball back to the other team until they created a time consuming march across the length of the field, back then our defense would watch for 2/3rd's of the game and when it was time to come in they were fresh and chomping at the bit.  

    We led the NFL in interceptions this season, coverage is the least of our problems (at least on defense)... our offense is soft, we need a running game or rather we need to continue running when it's working.  We can't let Law Firm run for one series, score our only touchdown of the game then spend the rest of the game in passing formations.

    Guyton is a third down pass coverage linebacker, do we really think a guy who plays a minimal amount of snaps was the reason we lost to the Jets?  Mark Sanchez throwing 15-20 passes is a better quarterback than Tom Brady throwing 45 passes every time when it comes to playoff football.  

    Why didn't Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton or Warren Moon, three of the greatest passers ever, win a ring again?  Oh yeah because to win in the playoffs you need to run the ball and play defense, we played defense but our offense or rather our offensive coordinator blew it.  
     
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    Cant Blame it all on the defense , But a lot fall's on them ,
    Guyton unable to stop LT on the td ,
    58 yards  pass compelition (where the hell was Merriweather ?)
    Butler again gone missing on third downs ,

    Can't stop the jets when your 7 points down ,
    brady crumpler everbody is at fault

    But defense the last 3 years can stop no one at third downs ,
    Again We Need game changers
     
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    Of course it would be great to replace all the "junk" on the roster with pro bowl caliber talent.  But you have a limited number of draft picks and a limited number of available free agents each year.  Plus you have a salary cap you have to pay attention to.

    The Pats need to upgrade at lots of positions--OL, OLB, RB, WR, maybe DE.  I'd like to see some improvement in the defensive backfield too (we've got too much quantity and not enough quality there).  I guess I'd address all those positions before I tried to replace a back-up ILB. You can only do so much each year, so you need to prioritize. Upgrading our back-up ILB seems kind of far down on the list to me.  We can live with Guyton for a few more years, especially if Spikes improves.  I'm much more worried about living with guys like Butler, Tate, TBC, and some of those O-linemen who'll be starting if Mankins, Light, and Neal are gone.

     
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    Enough With the back up part

    He Played 57.0 percent of all snaps and deosn't have it
    played more snaps than a lot of guys

    so he's not third in ILB

    he is second and played more snaps the spikes so
    dont sell me this story

    LB Jerod Mayo -- 1,066 of 1,101 (96.8 percent)
    CB Devin McCourty -- 1,050 of 1,101 (95.4 percent)
    S Brandon Meriweather -- 881 of 1,101 (80.0 percent)
    CB Kyle Arrington -- 849 of 1,101 (77.1 percent)
    S Patrick Chung -- 796 of 1,101 (72.3 percent)
    S James Sanders -- 779 of 1,101 (70.8 percent)
    DL Vince Wilfork -- 769 of 1,101 (69.8 percent)
    OLB/DE Tully Banta-Cain -- 734 of 1,101 (66.7 percent)
    LB Gary Guyton - 628 of 1,101 (57.0 percent)
    OLB/DE Jermaine Cunningham -- 560 of 1,101 (50.9 percent)
    OLB/DE Rob Ninkovich -- 518 of 1,101 (47.0 percent)
    DL Gerard Warren -- 505 of 1,101 (45.9 percent)
    CB Darius Butler -- 381 of 1,101 (34.6 percent)
    ILB Brandon Spikes -- 349 of 1,101 (31.7 percent)
    DL Mike Wright -- 316 of 1,101 (28.7 percent)
    DL Ron Brace -- 283 of 1,101 (25.7 perecent)
    DL Myron Pryor -- 237 of 1,101 (21.5 percent)
    DL Brandon Deaderick -- 220 of 1,101 (20.0 percent)
    CB Jonathan Wilhite-- 204 of 1,101 (18.5 percent)
    S Jarrad Page -- 186 of 1,101 (16.9 percent)
    OLB/DE Eric Moore -- 183 of 1,101 (16.6 percent)
    LB Dane Fletcher -- 153 of 1,101 (13.9 percent)
    DL Kyle Love -- 151 of 1,101 (13.7 percent)
    OLB/DE Shawn Crable -- 124 of 1,101 (11.3 percent)
    S Sergio Brown -- 86 of 1,101 (7.8 percent)
    DL Landon Cohen -- 69 of 1,101 (6.3 percent)
    CB Tony Carter -- 12 of 1,101 (1.1 percent)
    LB/DE Pierre Woods -- 11 of 1,101 (1.0 percent)
    OLB/DE Marques Murrell -- 7 of 1,101 (.6 percent)
    S Aaron Hernandez -- 2 of 1,101 (.2 percent)
    LB Tracy White -- 2 of 1,101 (.2 percent)
    S Randy Moss -- 1 of 1,101 (.1 percent)
     
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    [QUOTE]Enough With the back up part He Played 57.0 percent of all snaps and deosn't have it played more snaps than a lot of guys so he's not third in ILB he is second and played more snaps the spikes so dont sell me this story LB Jerod Mayo -- 1,066 of 1,101 (96.8 percent) CB Devin McCourty -- 1,050 of 1,101 (95.4 percent) S Brandon Meriweather -- 881 of 1,101 (80.0 percent) CB Kyle Arrington -- 849 of 1,101 (77.1 percent) S Patrick Chung -- 796 of 1,101 (72.3 percent) S James Sanders -- 779 of 1,101 (70.8 percent) DL Vince Wilfork -- 769 of 1,101 (69.8 percent) OLB/DE Tully Banta-Cain -- 734 of 1,101 (66.7 percent) LB Gary Guyton - 628 of 1,101 (57.0 percent) OLB/DE Jermaine Cunningham -- 560 of 1,101 (50.9 percent) OLB/DE Rob Ninkovich -- 518 of 1,101 (47.0 percent) DL Gerard Warren -- 505 of 1,101 (45.9 percent) CB Darius Butler -- 381 of 1,101 (34.6 percent) ILB Brandon Spikes -- 349 of 1,101 (31.7 percent) DL Mike Wright -- 316 of 1,101 (28.7 percent) DL Ron Brace -- 283 of 1,101 (25.7 perecent) DL Myron Pryor -- 237 of 1,101 (21.5 percent) DL Brandon Deaderick -- 220 of 1,101 (20.0 percent) CB Jonathan Wilhite -- 204 of 1,101 (18.5 percent) S Jarrad Page -- 186 of 1,101 (16.9 percent) OLB/DE Eric Moore -- 183 of 1,101 (16.6 percent) LB Dane Fletcher -- 153 of 1,101 (13.9 percent) DL Kyle Love -- 151 of 1,101 (13.7 percent) OLB/DE Shawn Crable -- 124 of 1,101 (11.3 percent) S Sergio Brown -- 86 of 1,101 (7.8 percent) DL Landon Cohen -- 69 of 1,101 (6.3 percent) CB Tony Carter -- 12 of 1,101 (1.1 percent) LB/DE Pierre Woods -- 11 of 1,101 (1.0 percent) OLB/DE Marques Murrell -- 7 of 1,101 (.6 percent) S Aaron Hernandez -- 2 of 1,101 (.2 percent) LB Tracy White -- 2 of 1,101 (.2 percent) S Randy Moss -- 1 of 1,101 (.1 percent)
    Posted by yakv[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, but Spikes was a rookie who was also suspended for four games. So Guyton ended up on the field a lot more than he was supposed to. If Spikes is not the two-down LB we hope he is, then I think your argument makes a lot of sense, because Guyton shouldn't be our main option at that ILB slot.  But if Spikes really is the starter, I think we're okay with Guyton as back up/third-down ILB. 

    Again, it's not like I think Guyton is a stud starter or anything like that--it's just that I'd rather see BB spend time looking for top talent at OLB, OL, DE, RB, and WR.  Unless Spikes isn't the answer, I think we can live with our current ILB staff. If Spikes isn't the answer on first and second down, however, then I agree ILB becomes a major concern. 




     
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    Guyton has had a couple bright spots in the few years he's been here, maybe be time to let him go. he hasn't been too solid
     
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    [QUOTE]If you compile enough pieces of junk you will soon have a Junk yard then you can name that Junk Yard the 2010 Patriots Defense. Time to spend some of that $30 million profit on talented studs.  Otherwise were never bringing home another Lombardi trophy. But we have the greatest Q.B. ever.



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    Posted by tcal2-[/QUOTE]
     
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    Herzlich will be a Pro Bowler. Hes got Heart and passion for the game. Would love to see the Patriots bring him in.
     
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    wats with the wilhite hate? he played SOLID at nickel back this year and the Patriots defense did suffer a bit when he went down.
     
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    [QUOTE]Enough With the back up part He Played 57.0 percent of all snaps and deosn't have it played more snaps than a lot of guys so he's not third in ILB he is second and played more snaps the spikes so dont sell me this story LB Jerod Mayo -- 1,066 of 1,101 (96.8 percent) CB Devin McCourty -- 1,050 of 1,101 (95.4 percent) S Brandon Meriweather -- 881 of 1,101 (80.0 percent) CB Kyle Arrington -- 849 of 1,101 (77.1 percent) S Patrick Chung -- 796 of 1,101 (72.3 percent) S James Sanders -- 779 of 1,101 (70.8 percent) DL Vince Wilfork -- 769 of 1,101 (69.8 percent) OLB/DE Tully Banta-Cain -- 734 of 1,101 (66.7 percent) LB Gary Guyton - 628 of 1,101 (57.0 percent) OLB/DE Jermaine Cunningham -- 560 of 1,101 (50.9 percent) OLB/DE Rob Ninkovich -- 518 of 1,101 (47.0 percent) DL Gerard Warren -- 505 of 1,101 (45.9 percent) CB Darius Butler -- 381 of 1,101 (34.6 percent) ILB Brandon Spikes -- 349 of 1,101 (31.7 percent) DL Mike Wright -- 316 of 1,101 (28.7 percent) DL Ron Brace -- 283 of 1,101 (25.7 perecent) DL Myron Pryor -- 237 of 1,101 (21.5 percent) DL Brandon Deaderick -- 220 of 1,101 (20.0 percent) CB Jonathan Wilhite -- 204 of 1,101 (18.5 percent) S Jarrad Page -- 186 of 1,101 (16.9 percent) OLB/DE Eric Moore -- 183 of 1,101 (16.6 percent) LB Dane Fletcher -- 153 of 1,101 (13.9 percent) DL Kyle Love -- 151 of 1,101 (13.7 percent) OLB/DE Shawn Crable -- 124 of 1,101 (11.3 percent) S Sergio Brown -- 86 of 1,101 (7.8 percent) DL Landon Cohen -- 69 of 1,101 (6.3 percent) CB Tony Carter -- 12 of 1,101 (1.1 percent) LB/DE Pierre Woods -- 11 of 1,101 (1.0 percent) OLB/DE Marques Murrell -- 7 of 1,101 (.6 percent) S Aaron Hernandez -- 2 of 1,101 (.2 percent) LB Tracy White -- 2 of 1,101 (.2 percent) S Randy Moss -- 1 of 1,101 (.1 percent)
    Posted by yakv[/QUOTE]

    Spikes is the starter, he missed games due to suspension, when he is in there we are solid at inside linebacker.  With another season of experience we'll have two of the better inside linebacker duo's in the game and with Guyton providing coverage and depth we'd be better served spending picks elsewhere.

    When opposing QB's have all day to throw and have the ball again and again because our offense can't move the ball without punting then even the best defender gets exposed.  Be real, nobody is that good...

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Gary Guyton Time To Move On!! : lol, It's truly sad that the Status Quo sheep don't have the brain power to process the fact that 3 horrific Playoff losses in a row, Two being the Colt one and done type, doesn't mean we have a good defense.  Once again TBC, Butler, Wilhite, Meriweather and all the players we pulled off XFL rosters sux.  Only a True Chump wouldn't get that.
    Posted by tcal2-[/QUOTE]

    Hey... do me a favor. Go back and review the defensive roster from 2007 and compare it with 2010, you can even do the same for 2009. How many names do you see in common? That's right... a lot of different names especially from 2007 to 2010. Next go and look up the draft positions for all of the 2010 players... What do you see? That's right, mostly first and second round picks! Wilfork 1st, Warren 1st, Meriweather (whether you like him or not) 1st, Mayo 1st, McCourty 1st, Chung 2nd, Spikes 2nd, Jermaine Cunningham 2nd, Ron Brace 2nd, Darius Butler 2nd... What does the mean? THEY'RE REBUILDING THE DEFENSE WITH YOUNG TALENT and still being successful doing so! Keep in mind the D also lost Leigh Bodden and Ty Warren in August before the season and still managed to win 14 games. Did they make it to the SB this year? No, but they're not far away either considering they're setup in the draft this year to address some needs. If you don't like it, move to Cleveland then you'd really have something great to root for. Like I said, let me know when you get a clue!
     
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    Barring injuries, the Patriots have drafted 9 out of 11 of their starters this year.
    The only players still around from their great defenses are Wilfork and Warren, and neither of them were really the corps of their defense in their Super Bowls.
    I understand that Brady's time is running out and everything, but if the Patriots build up their defense (which having Guyton as a backup is a good thing), they don't have to worry about that. If they can adopt the "defense wins championships" motto, which I think they'll be a top 15 defense this coming year, and a top 5 defense the next year, they'll be able to do just that. Something tells me that Brady will get an other ring. Reloading an entire roster takes time, and some of you panic-button fans need to realize that. CALM DOWN.
     
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    [QUOTE]Enough With the back up part He Played 57.0 percent of all snaps and deosn't have it played more snaps than a lot of guys so he's not third in ILB he is second and played more snaps the spikes so dont sell me this story LB Jerod Mayo -- 1,066 of 1,101 (96.8 percent) CB Devin McCourty -- 1,050 of 1,101 (95.4 percent) S Brandon Meriweather -- 881 of 1,101 (80.0 percent) CB Kyle Arrington -- 849 of 1,101 (77.1 percent) S Patrick Chung -- 796 of 1,101 (72.3 percent) S James Sanders -- 779 of 1,101 (70.8 percent) DL Vince Wilfork -- 769 of 1,101 (69.8 percent) OLB/DE Tully Banta-Cain -- 734 of 1,101 (66.7 percent) LB Gary Guyton - 628 of 1,101 (57.0 percent) OLB/DE Jermaine Cunningham -- 560 of 1,101 (50.9 percent) OLB/DE Rob Ninkovich -- 518 of 1,101 (47.0 percent) DL Gerard Warren -- 505 of 1,101 (45.9 percent) CB Darius Butler -- 381 of 1,101 (34.6 percent) ILB Brandon Spikes -- 349 of 1,101 (31.7 percent) DL Mike Wright -- 316 of 1,101 (28.7 percent) DL Ron Brace -- 283 of 1,101 (25.7 perecent) DL Myron Pryor -- 237 of 1,101 (21.5 percent) DL Brandon Deaderick -- 220 of 1,101 (20.0 percent) CB Jonathan Wilhite -- 204 of 1,101 (18.5 percent) S Jarrad Page -- 186 of 1,101 (16.9 percent) OLB/DE Eric Moore -- 183 of 1,101 (16.6 percent) LB Dane Fletcher -- 153 of 1,101 (13.9 percent) DL Kyle Love -- 151 of 1,101 (13.7 percent) OLB/DE Shawn Crable -- 124 of 1,101 (11.3 percent) S Sergio Brown -- 86 of 1,101 (7.8 percent) DL Landon Cohen -- 69 of 1,101 (6.3 percent) CB Tony Carter -- 12 of 1,101 (1.1 percent) LB/DE Pierre Woods -- 11 of 1,101 (1.0 percent) OLB/DE Marques Murrell -- 7 of 1,101 (.6 percent) S Aaron Hernandez -- 2 of 1,101 (.2 percent) LB Tracy White -- 2 of 1,101 (.2 percent) S Randy Moss -- 1 of 1,101 (.1 percent)
    Posted by yakv[/QUOTE]

    Don't look here folks, there's nothing to see. Just more stats without context.

    You do remember that Spikes was suspended for 4 games at the end of the season don't you? Do you really think Guyton would have had that many snaps if Spikes hadn't been suspended? Guyton is the THIRD/BACKUP MLB and SITUATIONAL/BACKUP OLB. In otherwords, he's a backup.

     
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    From TCal
    "That means junk like TBC, Guyton, Wilhite, Butler, Meriweather, everyone off the street or drafted after round 6 needs to go."

    I 100% agree.. the poor defense on 3rd down comes from somewhere right? hello? McCourty, Wilfork, Mayo and Chung are the only players that really seem to be what they need, maybe Bodden (barring injury return effectiveness) and Ty as well. 

    The guys you mentioned are who I would mention, although seeing Ninkovich getting beat on the outside every time a stretch play is run makes me sick. The guy has some solid instincts but isnt quite athletic enough to make those plays you NEED to make. 

    BTW, wasnt it Guyton getting worked up the middle on that game killing play to Cotchery? It might of been spikes but I thought it was Guyton. 

    I love Guyton, but we are the worst third down team in the league bar none, and your all bragging he is a good 3rd down player.. That doesnt tell you something?

    I would love for him to stay, but he needs to improve dramatically. Its not like you see him batting down passes or making big 3rd down plays in the open field.. ever
     
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    [QUOTE]Actually can't find one thing in your post that I can agree with.  I think Guyton is an asset most particularly against the pass. 
    Posted by ATJ[/QUOTE]


    Exactly and as someone else posted, he's cheap.
     
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    The bigger issue is the Patriots having a better defensive line and OLB that could pressure the QB then Gyuton would not appear as big of an issue as the original poster believes.

    Guyton has outperformed for the Patriots compared to past ILB veterans and draftees.

    Also if Spikes was not dumb* enough to check his medication w the NFL - he would have been playing for the final 4 games and been better prepared for the playoffs.

    So get a grip and chill out - this is still the offseason and you never know what will happen through free agency and the draft. And the Patriots do not NEED to draft an ILB!
     
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    I didnt know people were saying we had to draft an ILB..

    Guess I should read everyones responses..

     
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    Yes, let's randomly scan the roster for a non-superstar player at random and pretend unloading a complementary player  such as Guyton makes sense.

    The guy is dirt cheap is the 3rd MLB and is a solid player.

    One of the dumbest threads outside of Kool Aid/Communist Contrarian and his low IQ gems here.

     
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    Hey Rusty, how is it a dumb thread for a guy to question the viability of the second and third tier players that are playing significant time on a poor defense? the poorest in 3rd down of any team in years. 

    I agree, I would not get rid of him either. But its a legimate issue. Better players are needed to compliment the youth, bottom line. You may not agree, I may not agree, but its not a dumb thread. 
     
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    Gary Guyton isn't a starter nor a pass rusher.

    This team was VERY GOOD on D in spots, especially creating turnovers. Guyton is a nice complementary piece, sort of a makeshift poor man's Roman Phifer. Maybe he gets even better next year? He's improved each year. This is called a pattern of improvement is certainly not a detriment.

    He can cover and be used in multiple ways. His versatility and system knowledge is also a plus.

    So, really, how is a team that is 14-2, was a +38 or whatever in turn over differential (part of that was the lack of fumbling and Brady) a "poor defense"?

    Their lone flaw was a lock down pass rush they could count on.   Getting lucky with some injuries also would help next year to assist further with an even better run D.

    If NE's D is "poor"  what are some D's that were actually poor in the NFL? Are they now "super duper poor"?

    Passing yards allowed and a poor 3rd down D in the middle of the field is not really a barometer of a defense. 

    NE's D was actually quite good in the red zone and had a few nice goal lind stand this year to boot.

    Funny how everyone likes to ride on that anti-BB crusade complaing about the D over and over and this D in transition allowed 4 more points than the Jets.

    It's a clear work in progress, Guyton is a fine complementary player along with Dane Fletcher, and Mayo and Spikes have a chance to special in the middle.


     
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    Enough with the great defense argument ,
    5 times this year we were down with the score ,
    1 victory against the lions , 1 against the ravens
    3 - loses 2 to the jets, one to the browns

    You cant always ride the brady train to win games , the defense sometimes must step up the colts game was a great one and the lions one two ,
    but the other games all offense .

    third down was the same problem as last year on defense ,
    cant stop the run or the pass and that includes guton
    who missed a lot of tackles this year and last year

    38 turnovers dont win the super bowl or even a playoff game
    third down stops and tackling is all ,
    rather have paul posluszny kind of guy instead of guyton
    isn't that exepnsive and can still make the tackle .

     
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