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Gasper pre-draft: Have Pats improved their D?

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    Re: Gasper pre-draft: Have Pats improved their D?

    just need depth at the DE/OLB position. Abraham is an option. Need more competition...

     
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    Re: Gasper pre-draft: Have Pats improved their D?

    I think it depends on Kelley, is he good enough still? If so then we have solved a problem and weakness on this defense...a big guy that can pressure and play the run. It seems like Deaderick can play the run and believe it or not I think Love provides a little bit of pass rush inside, but gets knocked back in the run game. Kelley is a huge guy and I think a huge piece of this puzzle. Armstead is another piece - I really think this guy would of been a second round pick if he had entered the draft this year.

    So part of me wants to say they improved the defense, but another part feels they needed to do more. We still have money to spend...spend it...be aggressive. I thought for sure we were going to sign one of the younger defensive linemen this off season to a big contract, and we didn't. I also thought we would make a run at Gholdson...and instead we signed a 34 year old safety. Our window is rapidly closing - I'd love to see this defense start to carry this team - and there's no reason it shouldn't...we have high draft picks over there now and we are 4 years into this rebuilding project (never mind the fact that Belichick is a deffensive genius).

    In the end I think we are taking chances on too many older guys that look to be on the downside of their careers and on the other end of the spectrum we are putting hope into guys that are too young (Armstead, Collins). I wanted guys in their prime...we will see how it all shakes out. I will say the Talib signing was excellent in my opinion.

     
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    Re: Gasper pre-draft: Have Pats improved their D?

    Belichick's modus operandi when looking to fill a position on the team has typically been to add a draft pick, add a vet free agent and see which one works out.  

    Even though technically a free agent, I look at Armon Armstead like a draft pick, Tommy Kelly is the free agent so by all rights we've reloaded a position that needed reloading; 3/4 defensive end.  BB may not be done, there likely will be others invited to camp but for now there has been a marked improvement.  This also does not including the UDFA's coming to camp...

     
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    Re: Gasper pre-draft: Have Pats improved their D?

    I think Kelly and AA are upgrades say over love and deaderick. AA has shown he has some interior pass rush ability, at least in the cfl, and Kelly when motivated can do a bit of the same. Either can play inside in a 4 man line, or outsid on a 3 man line. I don't think adding them signals more 3 man Lines necessarily. 

    Overall, on paper, the pats have improved their d. Honestly, I think again on paper, that this is the best d we have fielded in some time. A good mix of veteran, 1st, 2nd, etc year players. 

    To be honest, I am more concerned with our pass offense. 

     
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    Re: Gasper pre-draft: Have Pats improved their D?

    In response to zbellino's comment:

     

    That is BB's mo indeed. It also buys him time to "develop" the kids.

    Adding Amstead and Kelley (especially) does seem to signal that NE might be running more 34 sets than the past few seasons. 

    I guess the question is, you say those additions are tantamount to "reloading." Are Kelley at 32 and the unproven AA real impact players or just filler? Do they improve the interior pass rush (something that has been especially weak compared to the Seymour years) or just give BB the ability to play a different set with equal quality? Or are they just bodies to cycle in and keep people fresh?

     



    Kelly is an instant starter if healthy, should BB decide to start the season running the four man, upfield rush front of the past three years than Kelly can man the position next to Wilfork, if he goes 3/4 Kelly can play end.  With a bunch of young players he may decide to wait on the 3/4 or sit players like Collins until they're ready in favor of Nincovich and others until midseason.

     

    I might be projecting too positively but I think Armstead will start from day one as well if they go 3/4.  He wasn't just average in Canada, he was a man among boys. This guy was a 2nd-3rd round pick as a Jr but didn't get the benefit of a senior season to cement himself as a 1st round talent, I think he did that up north, I have to think BB agrees that's why he was the very first off season move he made.

    D Line will always be in heavy rotation, especially now that the league has switched to more no huddle offense's, having guys like Wilfork who can stay on the field and not get winded will be crucial, but if you have a show of force on early downs with massive D lineman and overwhelming pass rush linebackers behind them, offense's will have a harder time staying on the field.

    I've stated for a long time that the Patriot defense hasn't suffered from "bad coverage" or "lack of edge rushers" for years now as was contended here and in the local media, that the issue started in the middle, I'm glad we've gotten around to fixing it, this defense has been a slow rebuild, hopefully we should have 2-3 years now of powerful offense and defense to finish out Tommy terrific's career.

     
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    Re: Gasper pre-draft: Have Pats improved their D?

    If you look at it by unit, I think the improvements in the secondary were largely made last year, with the emergence of Dennard, the acquisition of Talib, and the move of McCourty to safety.  I think that unit continues to improve with a year of experience playing together, plus a bit more competition at the second safety and fifth and sixth DB slots.  

    At LB, Hightower should benefit from a year of experience.  I think Collins potentially improves the unit significantly if he can cover well and also rush from the LB slot, plus hold the edge against the run.  If he's a sub LB he helps a bit.  But if he's a truly versatile guy with great athleticism in the passing game (both rushing and covering) and also good against the run so he can be a three down player, I think he could be the piece that transforms our LB unit from good to excellent.  He also may give us a linebacking group that can work in either 4-3 or 3-4.

    At DE, I expect Jones to improve significantly with a year of experience, and expect him to improve our pass rush. Nink probably still plays the other DE spot (at least in 4-3), but I think Francis will continue to improve and may push him a bit on the outside as well as play a role inside on passing downs.  Kelly adds another decent big body at DT, Armstead has some potential to be an inside pass rusher or maybe a 3-4 DE (if he's good enough for the NFL) .  Still the DL is probably an area where another guy like Abraham would help on the edge and another DT would be nice too.  Not sure if this line is a great one for a 3-4 (not enough big guys) so I still expect more 4-3 this year, but we may see a lot of 2-5 type sub packages anyway. 

    Overall, I anticipate some improvement this year--not a complete transformation, but steady improvement building on last year's changes in the secondary, the continued development of last year's rookies, and the new acquisitions made this year.

     

     

     
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    Re: Gasper pre-draft: Have Pats improved their D?

    I think Armstead's strength is his quickness more than power.  I don't know about his ability to hold blockers as a two-gap 3-4 DE.  In the CFL, the lines play in more space because the DL has to line up one yard off the LOS and the formations tend to be spread too.  So Armstead wasn't nose-to-nose in the trenches as much as he'll be in the NFL.  We'll have to see how his skills translate.

    He was good, but mostly what I saw was a quick first step and good penetration.  More 4-3 skills than 3-4, I think.

     

     
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