Re: Gasper pre-draft: Have Pats improved their D?
posted at 5/7/2013 1:03 AM EDT
In response to BabeParilli's comment:
In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:
The intentional grounding in the endzone is a passing turnover. It happend on a "passing" play.
That isn't a "turnover". Just as going for it on 4th down and failing isn't a "turnover" ( that is called a "turnover on downs"). Just as punting the ball isn't a "turnover". "Turnovers" are fumbles recovered by the other team and intercepted passes.
That is just semantics in my opinion.
Generally speaking, the turnover is defined as a loss of possession. They will often add the following two qualifiers you mentioned, "Fumble or Interception" into the definition as they are the two most typical ways in which that will happen.
Brady's Intentional grounding in the endzone resulted in a safety which gave the other team both points and possesion of the ball. It will often be categorirzed as a score and kick because the safetly is sometimes situationally intentional. However Brady's happened "prior" to down #4(the normal minimum length of a possession) and was NOT situationally intentional. That by definition, in my opinion, is a loss of possession and therefore a turnover/giveaway. It is also NOT, by definition, a turnover on downs.
The following is a definition of give-away by the NFL.
"A giveaway is when an offensive player turns the ball over to the other team. A giveaway can be an interception, fumble, or other inadvertent miscue that results in the opposition gaining possession of the ball. The term applies because by committing a turnover, the offending team, "gives the ball away," to the opposition."
So we'll agree to disagree on the semantics but Brady had two costly mental mistakes/decisions in that superbowl resulting in lost possesions/turnovers.