[QUOTE]What nonsense! It's the ability of a QB to produce in the clutch...that means in the 4th quarter, that separates the good ones from the great ones. Please post your stats that bears out that Rodgers, Brady and Brees are at the bottom of the league in comebacks.
In 2011, Brady has led three 4th quarter comebacks, Brees has led four, and Rodgers had only one. Eli Manning had 8.
[QUOTE] So...now your arguing that beating (15-1) Green Bay on the road in the play-offs is no great feat? Has Tom Brady played well in all 4 quarters this year? Go back and check the game stats. Brady usually gets off to slow starts.
I'm saying it's an impressive feat for the team, not Eli Manning. He had a decent game, but I have to consider the number and quality of QB's that posted similar stats on the Packers defense this year.
[QUOTE] So...Brady's win at home against the 8-8 Broncos was more impressive that Eli's win at Green Bay?
His performance againt the Broncos defense was certainly more impressive than Eli's against the Packers. It's a matchup issue: Brady vs. the Broncos defense, Eli Manning vs. the Packers defense. Not QB vs. team.
The reason the Giants win over GB was impressive was because they managed to contain Aaron Rodgers and that explosive offense. I don't think anybody thought Eli wasn't going to put up quite a few points on the worst defense in the league.
[QUOTE] The Broncos played ball control against San Diego. Against the Steelers, they won on several big play, long pass plays. They faced Ben Roethlisburger playing despite a high ankle sprain, and without their top RB.
Well, if we're going to make excuses:
In Week 15, GB held KC to 19 points because the Chiefs were playing ball control to keep Rodgers off the field.
In Week 16, GB held Chicago to 21 points because Da Bears were missing their starting QB and RB.
In Week 17, when GB played a legitimate QB in Matthew Stafford and a good offense in Detroit, they gave up 41 points.
[QUOTE] Tom Brady threw two picks against the Ravens that could have been four...but for a penalty and a drop. I routinely get criticized on my report cards for not giving Tom Brady a pass on dropped interceptions.
A penalty is a completely valid reason for calling back an INT. The defender only got the ball because his teammate was holding or committing some penalty. And as I remember, both of Tom's would-be picks were penalty-related.
First one called back because the defender tripped Edelman. On the second one, Brady knew the defense was offsides and took a free shot downfield. I'm not saying Brady had a great game against the Ravens, but Eli didn't exactly light up Candlestick Park with his performance against the Niners.
[QUOTE] Apples and oranges. Has Moore had the season, not stretch of games, that Eli has had? Has Moore ever played well in the play-offs? Has he won a SB? Has he set a record for most TD passes in the 4th quarter, and for fourth quarter comebacks?
Oh, so now we're taking into account PAST accomplishments. Well, in that case, has Eli (29 TD's, 16 INT's) had the same season Brady has had (39 Td's, 12 INT's)? Has Eli won 3 Super Bowl rings and 2 MVP's like Brady has? Has Eli set the single-season record for most TD passes in a regular season?
[QUOTE] As I stated previously, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. But, I do hope you're right about Brady showing the world who the better QB is this Sunday.
Yeah, I guess we will have to. Look, it's nothing personal. I don't mind that you like Eli. I just think it's wrong to compare him side by side with one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game.
For the record, I think Eli is a pretty good QB too, and maybe some day he'll become as good as his brother, who is rightfully in the same class as Brady. But he's not there yet.