Look at the difference Boldin,Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones made to Flaco. From an average game managing QB to a Superbowl winning MVP QB. Brady has had guys that are good in the clutch before but weren't big names. David Givens,Branch in his prime and guys like David Patten always produced in big moments. The high profile receivers Brady has now with the exception of Gronk who is proving himself to be injury prone all appear to be able to be knocked off their game and become gun shy.
Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
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Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/3/2013 11:05 PM EST
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/3/2013 11:07 PM EST
Brady needs to stop getting outplayed by the opposing QB in the playoffs.
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/3/2013 11:08 PM EST
Yes. I've been saying this for years. They need a big tough WR. They have not had one since Givens.
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posted at 2/3/2013 11:08 PM EST
Brady just needs to play better in the postseason...period. However, a WR or two as you described would definitely help with that.
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posted at 2/3/2013 11:13 PM EST
I agree but receivers are expensive and most of the elite draft prospects are gone before the Patriots finally pick. Plus the defense needs attention.
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posted at 2/4/2013 1:25 AM EST
In response to digger0862's comment:
I agree but receivers are expensive and most of the elite draft prospects are gone before the Patriots finally pick. Plus the defense needs attention.
Good recievers can be found later. Dwayne Bowe, Greg Jennings, Colston etc, were all selected from 28th in the 1st, through 3rd round, I think. It's just that Belichick is clueless at drafting them. -
Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 1:45 AM EST
On the offensive side Brady needs to play better in the post season and we need recievers that catch the ball. Lloyd made some decent catches this year but had his share of drops. Welker makes a ton of catches but drops too many in crucial situations. The Ravens wideouts were coming up with anything that was close. We can win with who we have, if you include the tight ends this team has better recievers than some of the Super Bowl winning teams. Brady was at his best when he didn't have much talent around him. It looks like age has caught up with the future Hall of Fame quarterback.
I'd like to see them first add a couple of solid defensive players before improving the offense. They have some talented young players but need a couple more to become the shut down defense that can win games on their own, estecially if Talib doesn't sign. A hard hitting strong safety, a tough defensive tackle that gets after the quarterback, and a solid corner would make this defense elite imo.
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 1:47 AM EST
Mike Reiss mentioned that the Pats traded up to the 45th position to pick Bethel Johnson and Boldin was picked at the 54th spots for that draft.
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 2:48 AM EST
In response to Brad34's comment:
Look at the difference Boldin,Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones made to Flaco. From an average game managing QB to a Superbowl winning MVP QB. Brady has had guys that are good in the clutch before but weren't big names. David Givens,Branch in his prime and guys like David Patten always produced in big moments. The high profile receivers Brady has now with the exception of Gronk who is proving himself to be injury prone all appear to be able to be knocked off their game and become gun shy.
"Look at the difference Boldin,Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones made to Flaco. "
hellllooooo.....some of us have been saying the saem for a while adn getting shouted down -
Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 2:57 AM EST
In response to sporter81's comment:
On the offensive side Brady needs to play better in the post season and we need recievers that catch the ball. Lloyd made some decent catches this year but had his share of drops. Welker makes a ton of catches but drops too many in crucial situations. The Ravens wideouts were coming up with anything that was close. We can win with who we have, if you include the tight ends this team has better recievers than some of the Super Bowl winning teams. Brady was at his best when he didn't have much talent around him. It looks like age has caught up with the future Hall of Fame quarterback.
I'd like to see them first add a couple of solid defensive players before improving the offense. They have some talented young players but need a couple more to become the shut down defense that can win games on their own, estecially if Talib doesn't sign. A hard hitting strong safety, a tough defensive tackle that gets after the quarterback, and a solid corner would make this defense elite imo.
The receivers they have are good but they appear to be easily knocked off their game. Like Marvin Harrison and co that the Colts had. Put up record numbers but when the going gets tough against a physical defense they start dropping the ball and peaking at the defense coming at them. Like Welker and Hernandez. Pats need some tougher receivers. -
Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 2:59 AM EST
In response to digger0862's comment:
I agree but receivers are expensive and most of the elite draft prospects are gone before the Patriots finally pick. Plus the defense needs attention.
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posted at 2/4/2013 3:17 AM EST
In response to pats-fan-2007's comment:
Brady needs to stop getting outplayed by the opposing QB in the playoffs.
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 3:22 AM EST
In response to digger0862's comment:
I agree but receivers are expensive and most of the elite draft prospects are gone before the Patriots finally pick. Plus the defense needs attention.
agree about the defense, however the top receivers will be there into rd 2, and you can get big wrs or smaller very good ones till round 3 at least, in smaller schools you can get each very late -
Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 3:23 AM EST
In response to Brad34's comment:
In response to sporter81's comment:
On the offensive side Brady needs to play better in the post season and we need recievers that catch the ball. Lloyd made some decent catches this year but had his share of drops. Welker makes a ton of catches but drops too many in crucial situations. The Ravens wideouts were coming up with anything that was close. We can win with who we have, if you include the tight ends this team has better recievers than some of the Super Bowl winning teams. Brady was at his best when he didn't have much talent around him. It looks like age has caught up with the future Hall of Fame quarterback.
I'd like to see them first add a couple of solid defensive players before improving the offense. They have some talented young players but need a couple more to become the shut down defense that can win games on their own, estecially if Talib doesn't sign. A hard hitting strong safety, a tough defensive tackle that gets after the quarterback, and a solid corner would make this defense elite imo.
The receivers they have are good but they appear to be easily knocked off their game. Like Marvin Harrison and co that the Colts had. Put up record numbers but when the going gets tough against a physical defense they start dropping the ball and peaking at the defense coming at them. Like Welker and Hernandez. Pats need some tougher receivers.
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 6:50 AM EST
It really hasn't mattered who they bring in for Brady over the last several years...he's not been patient enough to develop a young WR. The last ones developed in house were Deion Branch and David Givens.
Once that receiver runs a wrong route or drops a pass, they're dead to him...so he throws to Gronk or Welker in triple coverage anyway, all but ignoring the open guy or checkdown (if there is even one anymore).
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 7:00 AM EST
In response to pats-fan-2007's comment:
Brady needs to stop getting outplayed by the opposing QB in the playoffs.
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/4/2013 6:54 PM EST
Been saying that for years. everyone thinks becuase we have gronk that we're good.
when i see Boldin and Torrey smith reaching for balls that shouldn't be caught and fending off smaller CBs I think-why doesn't the best offense in the league have those types
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posted at 2/4/2013 7:54 PM EST
The Ravens are loaded.
They have a heck of a lot more talent than the Pats. The best team won.
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posted at 2/4/2013 10:26 PM EST
The Pats have never done well drafting wr's but they have had success with free agents.
Deal with the wr's by bringing in FAs.
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/5/2013 12:11 AM EST
In response to RockScully's comment:
In response to Ytsejamer1's comment:
It really hasn't mattered who they bring in for Brady over the last several years...he's not been patient enough to develop a young WR. The last ones developed in house were Deion Branch and David Givens.
Once that receiver runs a wrong route or drops a pass, they're dead to him...so he throws to Gronk or Welker in triple coverage anyway, all but ignoring the open guy or checkdown (if there is even one anymore).
Ever notice how they had no problem "developing" younger WRs they drafted under Weiss, but they have struggled after Weis left and they went to a 60/40 pass first offense?Not a coincidence.
Galloway, Torry Holt and even Deion Branch (once he returned) all commented how hard it is to come in here with what Brady wants to do. Torry Holt might be a HOFer.
Part of the problem is Brady wanting to run this high octane spread formation that is much more than a hybrid west coast Weis ran.
The only reason Moss was worked is because he was a freak and even a less than good pass from Brady could be gobbled up by the freakish Moss.
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/5/2013 12:23 AM EST
In response to 42AND46's comment:
In response to RockScully's comment:
In response to Ytsejamer1's comment:
It really hasn't mattered who they bring in for Brady over the last several years...he's not been patient enough to develop a young WR. The last ones developed in house were Deion Branch and David Givens.
Once that receiver runs a wrong route or drops a pass, they're dead to him...so he throws to Gronk or Welker in triple coverage anyway, all but ignoring the open guy or checkdown (if there is even one anymore).
Ever notice how they had no problem "developing" younger WRs they drafted under Weiss, but they have struggled after Weis left and they went to a 60/40 pass first offense?Not a coincidence.
Galloway, Torry Holt and even Deion Branch (once he returned) all commented how hard it is to come in here with what Brady wants to do. Torry Holt might be a HOFer.
Part of the problem is Brady wanting to run this high octane spread formation that is much more than a hybrid west coast Weis ran.
The only reason Moss was worked is because he was a freak and even a less than good pass from Brady could be gobbled up by the freakish Moss.
funny the greatest gm in forever cant draft a decent WR forget a good one
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Re: Give Brady some physical wide receivers that can catch the ball when it counts.
posted at 2/5/2013 12:28 AM EST
In response to newenglanderinexile's comment:
In response to 42AND46's comment:
In response to RockScully's comment:
In response to Ytsejamer1's comment:
It really hasn't mattered who they bring in for Brady over the last several years...he's not been patient enough to develop a young WR. The last ones developed in house were Deion Branch and David Givens.
Once that receiver runs a wrong route or drops a pass, they're dead to him...so he throws to Gronk or Welker in triple coverage anyway, all but ignoring the open guy or checkdown (if there is even one anymore).
Ever notice how they had no problem "developing" younger WRs they drafted under Weiss, but they have struggled after Weis left and they went to a 60/40 pass first offense?Not a coincidence.
Galloway, Torry Holt and even Deion Branch (once he returned) all commented how hard it is to come in here with what Brady wants to do. Torry Holt might be a HOFer.
Part of the problem is Brady wanting to run this high octane spread formation that is much more than a hybrid west coast Weis ran.
The only reason Moss was worked is because he was a freak and even a less than good pass from Brady could be gobbled up by the freakish Moss.
funny the greatest gm in forever cant draft a decent WR forget a good one
But he sure knows how to draft tight ends, and even how to grab them from other teams.
might as well steal from the best! : )i'm only talking to rusty with that smart aleck comment i actually think bb is a good gm
but u have to admit drafting receivers has not been his strong suit