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    In Response to Re: Go Rebels!! : Not really.  Charlie Wilsons war was a BS movie by an incompetent Senator looking to excuse his own incompetence.  Saying Al Qaida was part of the Mujahadeen is like saying American minute men were really just British troops.  Maybe at one time, in another fight, for another cause some were.  But that's not accurate to what the purpose or motivation behind Al Qaida became. The rise of Al Qaida is more closely related to the Gulf War (1), funded by Bin Laden himself, and for the purpose of furthering Islam more than any political agenda.
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    Actually, over there, "religion (islam)" and "politics" are one-and-the-same. There is NO separating one from the other. They live their lives under their religion. There is NO room for religious tolerence. The Jews have a relatively secular state, but don't invite one to an Arab home for dinner.  

    IED's: political or religion? Having your kid march off to blow himself and other innocents up: political or religion? Killing and maiming soldiers of the ONLY country in teh world stepping up to give them their freedon: political or religion? The line is sooo blured that there is no line. 
     
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    Fine Tcal I am also glad to see the establishment overthrown.  I just wish it would happen here.
     
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    In Response to Re: Go Rebels!! : Actually, over there, "religion (islam)" and "politics" are one-and-the-same. There is NO separating one from the other. They live their lives under their religion. There is NO room for religious tolerence. The Jews have a relatively secular state, but don't invite one to an Arab home for dinner.   IED's: political or religion? Having your kid march off to blow himself and other innocents up: political or religion? Killing and maiming soldiers of the ONLY country in teh world stepping up to give them their freedon: political or religion? The line is sooo blured that there is no line. 
    Posted by AZPAT


    Ooohhh those bad people over there ... those Muslims/Commies/Nazis/Japs/Germans/Spanish/Northerners/Southerners / Mexicans/Indians/British/French ... thank goodness we have someone to hate so a bunch of poor Americans can die for the rich military-industrialists
     
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    In Response to Re: Go Rebels!! : Actually, over there, "religion (islam)" and "politics" are one-and-the-same. There is NO separating one from the other. They live their lives under their religion. There is NO room for religious tolerence. The Jews have a relatively secular state, but don't invite one to an Arab home for dinner.   IED's: political or religion? Having your kid march off to blow himself and other innocents up: political or religion? Killing and maiming soldiers of the ONLY country in teh world stepping up to give them their freedon: political or religion? The line is sooo blured that there is no line. 
    Posted by AZPAT

    No doubt that is true.  But I mean the "Freedom fighters" funded by the US to fight the Soviets in a struggle that was really political were not motivated by politics to join Al Qaida.  Al Qaida is a brand of Islamic idealists and they are fighting for Islam.  I don't believe they have any interest in forwarding any political interest that does not in itself help Islam, unlike the Mujahadeen, whose relationship with the US would lead us to believe they were more interested in gaining power for themselves than furthering a religious ideology.
     
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    al queda was a term cooked up in some backroom of the pentagon. 9/11 was an israeli mossad job with the full participation of of the ghwbush cia upper levels. it goes back to the creation of the jonathan institute by netanyahu in 78. ghwbush was a founding member, at the same time he was running the cia and woeking closely with the bin ladens, including osama, cia codename tim osman. jonathan institute created the term international terrorism, to paint palestinian resistance in marketing terms that would make the rest of the world hate muslims in general. the 9/11 highjackers were not really islamists, which explains why many of them were trained on u.s. military bases and went to strip clubs, casinos, and bars just before 9/11. operation mockingbird is a cia program that has been operational since '51, and helped lie to us about countless issues and events ever since. critical thinking has been completely de-emphasized in our educational system and corporate/cia scripted mass culture. dont be a moronn on your way to the police state. ask more questions in general, and do a dictionary search on the word jingoism. its a natural but destructive, and ultimately self-destructive human impulse. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE REBELS IN CHARGE IN LIBYA ARE AN OFFSHOOT OF AL FREEAKIN QUEDA? THEY ARE BEING LED BY CIA OPERATIVES. IT IS NOT A NEW RELATIONSHIP. Our most powerful international puppetmasters are not patriots to any country. they will leave the world stripped and enslaved, while profiting from sky high defense budgets as they play countries against each other. think twice before you cheer for al queda in libya and iran. dont be a useful iddiot because its less depressing than facing reality.
     
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    . Our most powerful international puppetmasters are not patriots to any country. they will leave the world stripped and enslaved, while profiting from sky high defense budgets as they play countries against each other.


    This is exactly what's going on.  Remember what happened after the last Great Depression?  A world war.  They're cooking up another world war and will laugh at all the innocent people around the world they kill while they rake in the dough.  We can either die exposing them or die serving them.
     
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    Iran and North Korea are EXTREMELY unlikely

    I'll hope for Syria next.  Once Libya is stabilized and the Western oil conglomerates get their contracts with the new government, NATO will turn its attention to ousting Al-Bashir Assad.

    And while I don't like how the Tea Party is a bunch of raging hypocrites who refuse to cut anything other than Medicare and Social Security (when polled about WHAT to cut, they said no defense cuts, no education cuts, no regulatory cuts, etc etc. ), I do like that they've brought attention to the government's irresponsible spending.
    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/04/70-tea-partiers-dont-want-cut-medicare-either/36820/
    http://reason.com/archives/2010/11/01/entitlement-reform-not-their-c
    ("polls by the New York Times and Bloomberg have found that although a vast majority of Tea Party supporters favor smaller government, they don’t want cuts in their Medicare or Social Security")

    If there's one unrealistic country that I want to see get annihilated, it's Pakistan.  We should build an estate for their worst enemy one mile from West Point and let that person hide out there for the next 8 years, then if they try to attack, we should sell their military technology to India
     
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    al queda was a term cooked up in some backroom of the pentagon. 9/11 was an israeli mossad job with the full participation of of the ghwbush cia upper levels. it goes back to the creation of the jonathan institute by netanyahu in 78. ghwbush was a founding member, at the same time he was running the cia and woeking closely with the bin ladens, including osama, cia codename tim osman. jonathan institute created the term international terrorism, to paint palestinian resistance in marketing terms that would make the rest of the world hate muslims in general. the 9/11 highjackers were not really islamists, which explains why many of them were trained on u.s. military bases and went to strip clubs, casinos, and bars just before 9/11. operation mockingbird is a cia program that has been operational since '51, and helped lie to us about countless issues and events ever since. critical thinking has been completely de-emphasized in our educational system and corporate/cia scripted mass culture. dont be a moronn on your way to the police state. ask more questions in general, and do a dictionary search on the word jingoism. its a natural but destructive, and ultimately self-destructive human impulse. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE REBELS IN CHARGE IN LIBYA ARE AN OFFSHOOT OF AL FREEAKIN QUEDA? THEY ARE BEING LED BY CIA OPERATIVES. IT IS NOT A NEW RELATIONSHIP. Our most powerful international puppetmasters are not patriots to any country. they will leave the world stripped and enslaved, while profiting from sky high defense budgets as they play countries against each other. think twice before you cheer for al queda in libya and iran. dont be a useful iddiot because its less depressing than facing reality.
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    Yawn... (crickets).... frogs croaking... Yawn...

    Clue time: The 60's are over. lease change your favorite color from "tie dye" to just one color.
     
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    In Response to Re: Go Rebels!! :   We can either die exposing them or die serving them. Posted by themightypatriotz
    Its just to bad the average person just doesnt get it.Even back to the civil war same crap.Never ever fight for your country unless your being invaded,even then maybe,maybe not.
    Posted by Mybologna


    A little histoty lesson here for you, free of charge. Ever hear of what happened on 12/7/1941? Do recall the events of that day? I seem to recall something bad happening at Pearl Harbor, and the Phillipines. Now, in today's libbie induced revisionist histopry, I know that the ONLY thing that really matters about any of the events that happened AFTER 12/7/41 was how the USA wontonly and with total disregard of humanity, fused places named Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which effectively ended all war hostilities (that means "The Japs surrendered"). But, that's another topic for another day.  Seems to me that a sneak attack on a Sunday morning (just happens to be a Christian day set aside for prayer and reflection, when folks go to places called "churches" to "pray") would incite the American people just a bit. japan quickly found itself between teh US crosshairs, deservedly so. Now, let's talk about Germany and teh paper hanging psycho named Adolf. Again, history tells us that HE declared war on teh USA, NOT the other way around. 

    While you're spouting sketchy historic information at best, why not tell teh whole story? When did the US start the military build up? The afternoon of 12/7/41? Was it 12/8?  Did they wait until after the holidays to put the first rivet in the first tank?  The build up started in late 1939, and kicked into overdrive after 12/7. Before it started in 1939, the US military on a whole was the 15th rated in the world. Not a good thing. ever study WWII? Before Germany declare war on teh USA, Adolf, that party loving worl traveler sort of conquered Europe and suddenly attacked Russia (now, where have we heard about a country doing that before? Hmmm....). His military had beat every army it faced,a nd bravely killed millions of innocent civilians. Now, with the USA in teh war, it didn't cause Adolf to modify his behavior any. But, we ultimately made it end. Same for Japan. They, too, bit off more than they could possibly chew, AND they knew the ramifications if they attacked us. It was only a matter of time. Bottom line is this: The USA is the ONLY country in the world strong enough to beat two strong enemies on two major fronts.

    So, if you can speak English today, go out and thank a WWII vet. Sit down with one. Have a good conversation with him about his experiences. Those vets are dying off at a big rate. That whole generation is owed so much, neither we, or the world, can EVER repay them. Go tell a vet or any war the USA was involved in that we really don't have to fight for the country if we ever got invaded. But, be prepared to get an earfull and a half. Bottom line is this: when teh worl had an opportunity to do something to stop misunderstood Adolf or a whole race of Japanese (read up on Nanking too), they didn't. They feared another WWI experience. Guess what? By doing nothing, they got a WORSE perdicament. There are lessons to be learned for doing nothing. 

    Stay out of the sun and know a little something about what REALLY happens when you bend over and grab your ankles while the world is going to he ll. (Ever hear of Neville Chamberlain? Go check him out.) Glad you feel you can have a group hug and a Kumbuya Moment if your hometown is invaded. Don't forget to break out those big bright flowrs and loud beads. Ask Mommie how to make a peace sign with your fingers. That'll add a nice touch. 

    A little ignorance goes a long way, kid. 
 
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    In looking at all the "unrest" in the world, where is the majority found? I'm talking about open rebellion and overthrowing the existing govt/yahoos in power, not a hippie wanna be's demand for the govt to do whatever drivel they want it to do today. Middle East? SE Asia? Central America? The Near East? Now, what'steh one common thread that links all those regions? How about "poor and uneducated "people"? here thay are running around with guns and live ammoshooting people and breaking things, to overthrow the oppressors of their meager existance. OK, then what? How are they going to lead their country? Think they have enough intelligence to decide who the best person/govt is to lead them? Or will they put their faith in one guy/group who tells them what they want to hear, a la "hope and change".? But, what about the comrade next to him, toting HIS AK47, who wants to put his faith in someone else? Toss in a rogue govt who eggs on all factions (how's Iran or Syria for examples?), and yiou have instane peace! Just look at Lebanon, which used to be a very beautiful country, or the Gaza strip. 

    Unintelligent people will believe only whatthey want to hear. They can't figure things out for themselves, and then it's ALWAYS the other guy's fault.    
     
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    In Response to Re: Go Rebels!! : Its just to bad the average person just doesnt get it.Even back to the civil war same crap.Never ever fight for your country unless your being invaded,even then maybe,maybe not. Posted by Mybologna
    A little histoty lesson here for you, free of charge. Ever hear of what happened on 12/7/1941? Do recall the events of that day? I seem to recall something bad happening at Pearl Harbor, and the Phillipines. Now, in today's libbie induced revisionist histopry, I know that the ONLY thing that really matters about any of the events that happened AFTER 12/7/41 was how the USA wontonly and with total disregard of humanity, fused places named Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which effectively ended all war hostilities (that means "The Japs surrendered"). But, that's another topic for another day.  Seems to me that a sneak attack on a Sunday morning (just happens to be a Christian day set aside for prayer and reflection, when folks go to places called "churches" to "pray") would incite the American people just a bit. japan quickly found itself between teh US crosshairs, deservedly so. Now, let's talk about Germany and teh paper hanging psycho named Adolf. Again, history tells us that HE declared war on teh USA, NOT the other way around.  While you're spouting sketchy historic information at best, why not tell teh whole story? When did the US start the military build up? The afternoon of 12/7/41? Was it 12/8?  Did they wait until after the holidays to put the first rivet in the first tank?  The build up started in late 1939, and kicked into overdrive after 12/7. Before it started in 1939, the US military on a whole was the 15th rated in the world. Not a good thing. ever study WWII? Before Germany declare war on teh USA, Adolf, that party loving worl traveler sort of conquered Europe and suddenly attacked Russia (now, where have we heard about a country doing that before? Hmmm....). His military had beat every army it faced,a nd bravely killed millions of innocent civilians. Now, with the USA in teh war, it didn't cause Adolf to modify his behavior any. But, we ultimately made it end. Same for Japan. They, too, bit off more than they could possibly chew, AND they knew the ramifications if they attacked us. It was only a matter of time. Bottom line is this: The USA is the ONLY country in the world strong enough to beat two strong enemies on two major fronts. So, if you can speak English today, go out and thank a WWII vet. Sit down with one. Have a good conversation with him about his experiences. Those vets are dying off at a big rate. That whole generation is owed so much, neither we, or the world, can EVER repay them. Go tell a vet or any war the USA was involved in that we really don't have to fight for the country if we ever got invaded. But, be prepared to get an earfull and a half. Bottom line is this: when teh worl had an opportunity to do something to stop misunderstood Adolf or a whole race of Japanese (read up on Nanking too), they didn't. They feared another WWI experience. Guess what? By doing nothing, they got a WORSE perdicament. There are lessons to be learned for doing nothing.  Stay out of the sun and know a little something about what REALLY happens when you bend over and grab your ankles while the world is going to he ll. (Ever hear of Neville Chamberlain? Go check him out.) Glad you feel you can have a group hug and a Kumbuya Moment if your hometown is invaded. Don't forget to break out those big bright flowrs and loud beads. Ask Mommie how to make a peace sign with your fingers. That'll add a nice touch.  A little ignorance goes a long way, kid. 
    Posted by AZPAT


    Alright, but YOU need to get your facts straight - RUSSIA made World War II end.  They inflicted more German casualties and took more losses than every other country combined.

    We should serve our country, but our country should also serve us.

    Right now, we have The Party of Irresponsible Spending fighting childishly with The Party of Tax Loopholes and we all lose because of it.

    If we're going to war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Syria, Iran, then don't b***sh*t us with lines about Patriotism and "radical Islam"

    3,000 people died on September 11th, 2001

    15,000+ Americans will die from MURDER this year, as they have every year since the turn of the millienium

    Don't be a soldier-worshipper who eats everything politicians feed you.  Defense spending is out of control - of 63 smart bomb attacks in the Iraq War, NOT ONE OF THEM HIT THEIR TARGET.  I think 25,000 ICBMs and 12 aircraft carriers is enough to deter every country not named China (and still China because they're still building their first aircraft carrier so they can intimidate Vietnam into friendlier trade terms) from messing with us.

    Our politicians SHOULD serve us.  Special interests and apathetic/ignorant citizens have resulted in policy that has mostly benefitted the extremely wealthy recently (the bank bailouts that still resulted in a credit squeeze and a recession, the Fed literally handing money to the rich and corporations who aren't spending it).

    Don't get caught up in the flag-waving to the point you forget what you're fighting for.
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    "Alright, but YOU need to get your facts straight - RUSSIA made World War II end.  They inflicted more German casualties and took more losses than every other country combined."

    ROFLMFAO!!!!

    What book are you just looking at the pictures in? Funny how you seem to disregard the Japanese theater as not part of the war. But, I'm sure, if given enough time, you'd make sme claim that the Russians ended that affair too.  

    Yes, Russia absorbed a tremendous loss. But, Stalin, that NYC doorman wannabe helped cause that loss. Before the hostilities and fun and ganes started. he "purged" the army of good officers, for his political gain. (Too big a threat.) He, like the knock-kneed paperhanger, was way in over his head when it came to MILITARY strategy. He was forced to leave his better field commanders alone after the debacle of his "agreement" to not fight Germany just before the Poles got hammered. When Germany invaded Russia, his three biggest enemies proved to be: 1) too much Russia (at least Napoleon GOT into Moscow)  2) a huge source of manpower  3) Russian weather (especially the winters). Before Russian armies could roll, they were resupplied by the US (suggest you research the Murmansk convoys). Once they got rolling, the Russians gave as good as they got, and then some.

    Do you think that maybe, just maybe the 2million+ soldiers in Europe (we'll call them Brits, Canadians, Free French, and, oh yeah! Americans!), overrunning the Germans in France had anything to do with the Russian successes? Nothing says "winning a war" as making a juicy Nazi sammich! s for the Russians taking Berlin? That was a political decision made by politicians. Instead of driving to Berlin, Patton was sent south into Austria and points south. A political decision was made.

    Oh! And I forgot how the Russians officially ended the WHOLE World War by fusing two Japanese cities. Gosh! We owe those cuddly Russians a whole lot of debt for saving Democracy and freedon for the world. FUGHEDABOUD the post war and Cold War enslavement of Eastern Europe. I'll also bet that the Iron Curtain and Berlin Wall were just made up on an old English sound stage/movie lot. THANK GOD FOR THE RUSSIANS!!! I'm quite sure that family members and close friends of teh WWI American war dead will be glad to hear how it was the Russians that ended that madness.

    Then there are all those Russians wearing Marine and Army uniforms retaking the Pacific, island by island. They also did a great job making their ships look exactly like US warships. Talk about teriffic engineering!

    As for radical islam, it's better to fight them there than to fight them here, although the PC crowd, and The Great Amateur is making keeping them out and finding out who they are very difficult. How many buildings have to come down before you recognize we're in the fight for our lives? How many planes crashing? trains derailing, Times Sq bombings? Fruit of the Boom bomber/idiots that could "get it right" (quite by mistake, you know)? Going after them won't be your cup of tea. Just knowing who did it and trying to understand why would satisfy you. That's OK. many an American died to allow you to feel this way. 

    I dopn't buy into 1 single politicians word as to what's going on in any war, even Sen McCain. If you want to see how messed up that is, do some research on places called Korea and Vietnam.  If I'm going to invest $100 of my own money, it'll be for military spending which will keep me safe, and NOT on entitlement programs. You get out of life what you put into it.
     
    As for Russia winning WWII?  NYET!
     
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    [/QUOTE] Alright, but YOU need to get your facts straight - RUSSIA made World War II end.  They inflicted more German casualties and took more losses than every other country combined. Posted by Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188[/QUOTE]

    What? No those things called nuclear bombs enede WWII. Remember we were fighting the Japanese too in the Pacific.

    Didn't here about any Russians landing at Normandy and driving the Nazi's all the way back to Berlin. Go read history.

    You must be a commie.
     
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     As long as the new governments don't plot to kill Americans, it's OK.  Plus I'm going to be positive and be happy for them.  I'm not going to buy into what the fear mongers at Fox NEWS always try selling.




    Horray for the Muslim Brotherhood!  Fine group of friends they will be!
     
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     As long as the new governments don't plot to kill Americans, it's OK.  Plus I'm going to be positive and be happy for them.  I'm not going to buy into what the fear mongers at Fox NEWS always try selling. Horray for the Muslim Brotherhood!  Fine group of friends they will be!
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    Look; Ghakdaffy needed to go. I'm just not going to put a whole lot of stock and faith into the rabble that's there (again, no Rhgodes scholar amongst the bunch), while your dear Muslim Brotherhood, that life lovin, hair braidin', peace sign givin', Kumbuys singin' crazy guys associated with Iran (another muslim country that's "misunderstood".)

    So, in other words, you don't care if they supportor sponsor terrorist attacks in Europe? Or fund their Indonesian fellow yahoos so they can target tourists in the South Pacific/Austrailian region? Just as long as you safe at home, or Americans killed. Ah! But what if thyere is a honeymooning American couple in a night club in, say Bali, along with @ 50 fellow cruisers, and the place blows up. Does THAT qualify to get you stirred up? How about if your parents are taking that "once in a lifetime" trip to Europe, and get blown up in a Parisian Metro attack? Somehow I doubt if you'd feel the same when/if it becomes personal.
     
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     As long as the new governments don't plot to kill Americans, it's OK.  Plus I'm going to be positive and be happy for them.  I'm not going to buy into what the fear mongers at Fox NEWS always try selling. Horray for the Muslim Brotherhood!  Fine group of friends they will be!
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    LOL, yeah right . The Muslim Brotherhood is Al-Quida lite. They'll still blow up and kill infedels(Christians and jews) 
     
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    LOL, yeah right . The Muslim Brotherhood is Al-Quida lite. They'll still blow up and kill infedels(Christians and jews)


    Agree with that. that whole region is going to be a loss. Once Yemen and Somalia decide to pinch off the oil supply the world will be on its ear. Libya is europes problem. Thats where they get a lot of oil from. do you honestly think the French would be involved just to be good guys?
     
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    Alright, but YOU need to get your facts straight - RUSSIA made World War II end.  They inflicted more German casualties and took more losses than every other country combined. Posted by Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188
    What? No those things called nuclear bombs enede WWII. Remember we were fighting the Japanese too in the Pacific. Didn't here about any Russians landing at Normandy and driving the Nazi's all the way back to Berlin. Go read history. You must be a commie.
    Posted by kansaspatriot


  • No, I'm just smarter than you.  Russia won the war in Europe.

    http://www.eisenhowerinstitute.org/about/living_history/wwii_soviet_experience.dot

    U.S., British, and French casualties inflicted on Germany: 0.8 million out of a small World War army of 1.5 million

    Soviet casualties inflicted on Germany: 2.5 million out of a German force of 5.5 million, or almost four times as big of a German force

    So the Soviets faced a more difficult German fighting force and inflicted three times as many losses

    Watch your head.  I just dropped some knowledge on it
     
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      Russia won the war in Europe.

    http://www.eisenhowerinstitute.org/about/living_history/wwii_soviet_experience.dot
    U.S., British, and French casualties inflicted on Germany: 0.8 million out of a small World War army of 1.5 million Soviet casualties inflicted on Germany: 2.5 million out of a German force of 5.5 million, or almost four times as big of a German force So the Soviets faced a more difficult German fighting force and inflicted three times as many losses Watch your head.  I just dropped some knowledge on it
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    Death is not the measure of who won the war. Everyone knows its was USA that won the war. Who do you think libertaed most of Europe from the Nazi's? Not the Commies, all they did was take over Poland and rolled into East Berlin. They liberated none of Europe.

     
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    In Response to Re: Go Rebels!! : Alright, but YOU need to get your facts straight - RUSSIA made World War II end.  They inflicted more German casualties and took more losses than every other country combined. Posted by Artist-Frmrly-Knwn-As-NickC1188
    What? No those things called nuclear bombs enede WWII. Remember we were fighting the Japanese too in the Pacific. Didn't here about any Russians landing at Normandy and driving the Nazi's all the way back to Berlin. Go read history. You must be a commie. Posted by kansaspatriot
    No, I'm just smarter than you.  Russia won the war in Europe. http://www.eisenhowerinstitute.org/about/living_history/wwii_soviet_experience.dot U.S., British, and French casualties inflicted on Germany: 0.8 million out of a small World War army of 1.5 million Soviet casualties inflicted on Germany: 2.5 million out of a German force of 5.5 million, or almost four times as big of a German force So the Soviets faced a more difficult German fighting force and inflicted three times as many losses Watch your head.  I just dropped some knowledge on it
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  • Funny read on "Soviet Experience of WWII".

    Why is it that Russia/Soviet Union has NEVER been completely invade and conquered? Try to give an objective answer while I, once again, take you to school.

    Reason: There's TOO MUCH RUSSIA  (go see Napoleon's successes at invading Russia)  

    Why were the Nazis unable to conquer Russis? 

    1) TOO much Russia  2) Seasonal timing of launching their attacks  3) TOO MANY Russians to fight

    How did Stalin, that self professed military genius, contribute to Nazi successes?

    1) HUGE purge from 1935-38 (pre-war, in case you forgot or haven't got a clue. YOU make that call.). He killed off 3 of 5 Field marshalls, 13 of 15 Army commanders, 8 of 9 Admirals, 50 of 57 Army group commanders, and 154 of 168 divisional commanders. (Nice touch on the undeniable eve of war, right?)  2) after the purge and during the Nazi invasion, he ordered his troops to take stands and NOT retreat (retreaters were shot)   3) He learned no lessons on Nazi "blitzkreig" warefare in Poland and France, as huge amounts of Russian troops were surrounded, surrendered, and never seen again  4) His armaments were not in any way/shape/form comperable to the Nazis. 

    So, here's the Soviet formula for early war "Success":  Huge military purge (Pre-war) + Lack of trained/qualified military leadership/commanders (at time of invasion) + Inadequate arms/munitions + Maniacal orders/directives issued by Stalin = Disaster.

    Now, during this time, Stalin, that NYC doorman wannabe, was squealing like a little girl, demanding Allied involvement, to relieve some pressure off the Soviets. (If you care to rad up on it, the Brits lost most of their heavy military equipment when they evacuated it's army at Dunkirk. France was done, and American industrial might was still building up.) So, what did the Allies do in late 1942, whenthe Nazi's reached their high point of Russian occupation? Let's see.... I recall hearing something about action in North Africa in 11/42. Then, there was Sicilly and Italy invasions in 1943. These actions caused the Paper Hanger to divert troops from the Eastern Front (aka; Russia) to fight the Allied advancements. I also recall that Russian troops from Siberia were brought into play. (You know Siberia, don't you? Sort of a little cool and occaisional snow?) Then there was D-Day. Do you kind of think that MAYBE the Paper Hanger transfered troops from the Eastern Front to fight in France? It's just a wild guess on my behalf.

    Both Dumb (The NYC Doorman Wannabe) and Dumber (Paper Hanger) had a HUGE problem in common: their gigantic egos. The Doorman used his pre-war purge to eliminate a perceived threat from his military, and then issued "no retreat or we'll shoot you!" orders. The Paper Hanger issued he same "no retreat" orders (se: Stalingrad, Leningrad, etc), and ignored his TRAINED General Staff. What's that Forrest Gump line? "Stupid as Stupid is!"

    Seeing how you apparently depend on numbers to base your opinions on, no one is doubtingthat the Russians suffered. However, those numbers MUST be tempered by the callous disregard the NYC Doorman Wannabe had for his own soldiers and civilians. Stalin was buying time and American forces help provide it. 

    Factis that the Allies in general, and Patton in particular, could have taken Berlin quickly and with less loss of life than what eventually happened. AT that stage of eh war, German troops were surrendering enmasse to American and Brit soldiers. There is no reason to assume or believe they would have done anything different should Patton get closer to Berlin.  The Russians were the undeniable sworn enemies of the Nazis, and vice versa. As with Moscow in late 1942, there was going to be a fight to the death for Berlin. But, win the war all by themselves? HARDLY! But, you go believe whatever you want, as it's clear you don't let getting all the facts in the way.  

    Then there'sthis messy little engagement in the Pacific. Funny, but I don't recall hearing or reading about any great Russian naval involvement there (in fact, the Japanese kicked their butt severely in the early 1900's!). I also don't recall reading about any "brave" Soviet divisions fighting alongside US Marines in places like Guadacanal, Tarawa, Saipan, the Phillipines, Iwo Jima, or Okinawa. I also remember that it was a US Air Corp B-29, not the cheaper Russian knock off model, built (built on the designs of a downed US B-29), piloted by an American, with an American crew, dropping some "special bombs" on Japan, which were developed and tested in America. But I DO recall reading how those "brave Russians" attacked Japanese troops in Manchuria a few days after the bomb(s) were dropped. Nice bunch of guys. Sort of like the WWE... the bigger bad guy beats the snot out of the other guy, and the noisy, loud mouthed and obnoxious smaller bad guy comes in claiming the victory. Sorry if that upsets your pink-eyed view of what ACTUALLY happened during the war. 

    You dropped nothing on my head. I just washed away the BS you tried to deposit there. That's OK... I love educating the challenged. You've been schooled. Come onbackfor more education.
     
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