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    It is well documented that Bush, McCain et al were denied multiple times by Barney Frank and his cronies that there was anything wrong with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Who are the ones that stood around doing nothing?? Or even worse, lied to cover up their involvement with the problems?

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    Agree, but that doesn't mean Bush cared about it either. If he did he would have done something. McCain, yes.

    The bottom line is the October 1999 (Clinton - Probably his worst decision as president and no one even talks about this) deregulation of Steagall-Glass, which worked fine for 70 years, allowed Frank and Dodd to be morons or criminals. That's pretty much it in a nutshell right there.  I still question them in terms of kickbacks for championing that bill.

    There should be more an investigation in that, because Frank and Dodd aren't dumb, so that means they were likely getting kick backs or had a nice big, bag of cash dropped off into an offshore account.

    Born at night, not last night. In no way shape or form is their excuse or reasoning acceptable. 

    Those two are perfect examples why we need term limits in Congress. Right there. Perfect example. They can easily get re-elected based on the constiuencies they represent and then just run amuck with too much power in Congress.

    It's a huge problem.

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    The other thing that really gets me is all we hear about is how bad it was when Obama took over. Go back and look what Bush was left to work with. On top of having to deal with the 9/11 crisis a few months after he took office, we were coming out of the suppossed 'greatest period of economic growth in our countries history'. But most of that was all a farce. That ecomonic growth was fueled by fear of the Y2K issue (remember that). Millions of good paying IT jobs were created in the 1990s. Companies sprang up overnight, and LOTS of people who had no business working in IT were given good paying jobs (trust me on this one, I worked with MANY of them). The NASDAQ went from 439 in January of 1990 to over 5000 in January of 2000. People were making money, spending money, buying houses, taxes were being paid, and the government, because they lack any type of common sense or restraint,  took this as a time to SPEND, SPEND, SPEND. Almost immediately after January of 2000, the NASDAQ started dropping (it was already back under 3000 when Bush was sworn in), and then after 9/11 it quickly fell to well under 1200, a more than 75% drop from its high. Many of those companies rapidly went belly up, and a lot of those people who never should have been hired into IT were quickly out of jobs. Those good paying jobs are not coming back. Suddenly the tax based dropped, significantly. This was all during Bushs' first year in office, he had nothing to do with this happening, there was nothing he could do to prevent any of it. And he never once went on TV and said 'look what Clinton left me'. And of course the government was not prepared for this, because they have never in history figured out that the good times of today will not last forever, and had no backup plan for how to handle things when it went rapidly south. 

     
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    Those in Oregon,Washington,and Colorado have a chance to send a BIG FU to the federal government. They are out right challenging the Federal government by allowing the voters to chose to legalize Marijuana for private use. Not decriminalization, not medical use, out right legalization..,,

     
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    It was a good night tonight.  My wife and I took our girls to the booths.  My 7 year old filled out my ballot and sent it in the scanner.  Now it's official, 4 more years of moving in the right direction.

     

    YEAH BABY!!

     
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    It was a good night tonight.  My wife and I took our girls to the booths.  My 7 year old filled out my ballot and sent it in the scanner.  Now it's official, 4 more years of moving in the right direction.

     

    YEAH BABY!!

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    LOL, yeah, things are great. Just hope by the end of the 4 years you aren't eating out at a dumpster.

     

     
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    It was a good night tonight.  My wife and I took our girls to the booths.  My 7 year old filled out my ballot and sent it in the scanner.  Now it's official, 4 more years of moving in the right direction.

     

    YEAH BABY!!

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    Please tell the 12 to 13 percent of people in my state who are unemployed that they were moving in the right direction the last 4 years and that they are going to continue in that direction for the next 4 years.  You just might get beat up.

     
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    It was a good night tonight.  My wife and I took our girls to the booths.  My 7 year old filled out my ballot and sent it in the scanner.  Now it's official, 4 more years of moving in the right direction.

     

    YEAH BABY!!

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    Please tell the 12 to 13 percent of people in my state who are unemployed that they were moving in the right direction the last 4 years and that they are going to continue in that direction for the next 4 years.  You just might get beat up.

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    True enough. Hey, they have jobs in Ohio. That's what happens when the gov bails your failing business out with freshly printed $$$.

     
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    it's a good thing the inbred states don't have more electoral votes than they do.  a lot of red on the map but no consequence since nothing there but corn and cows.

     

    been a long time a prez candidate got crushed this badly. maybe clinton's 2nd term.

     
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    Obama is expected to take an early lead until the Republicans get off work and can vote!!!

     

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    Obama is expected to take an early lead - and keep it. Read the Nate Silver blog. A guy who nailed 49 of 50 states in 2008, and who studies polls and correlations to winning for a living, has Obama a more than 90 % favorite. I don't know what that corresponds to football-wise, Paul K can probably help on that, but I'm thinking Patriots vs. Chiefs at Gilette. It's not a slam dunk, but a Romney win a this stage would be a huge upset.


    Romney had a strong period just after the first debate, where he seemed to have a lot of momentum. But it stopped and the picture has returned to what it was before that debate.

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    THIS IS NOT 2008. Obama has had a failed Presidency for 4 years. If he gets re-elected the failure will be compounded!!! The Libya lies will bury him!!

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    I agree this is not 2008, my calendar says 2012. My point is that in-depth statistical analysis beats out "gut feelings" all day long when it comes to making predictions.

    And making predictions based on your perception of the first term is, dare I say it, plain silly. As it so happens, like it or not, some people have a diffferent perception of Obamas first term. In other words, when you try to make a prediction, you need to analyze facts, not rely on feelings, or the experience of the Newt Gingriches of the world.

     

     
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    Obama is expected to take an early lead until the Republicans get off work and can vote!!!

     

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    Obama is expected to take an early lead - and keep it. Read the Nate Silver blog. A guy who nailed 49 of 50 states in 2008, and who studies polls and correlations to winning for a living, has Obama a more than 90 % favorite. I don't know what that corresponds to football-wise, Paul K can probably help on that, but I'm thinking Patriots vs. Chiefs at Gilette. It's not a slam dunk, but a Romney win a this stage would be a huge upset.


    Romney had a strong period just after the first debate, where he seemed to have a lot of momentum. But it stopped and the picture has returned to what it was before that debate.

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    THIS IS NOT 2008. Obama has had a failed Presidency for 4 years. If he gets re-elected the failure will be compounded!!! The Libya lies will bury him!!

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    I agree this is not 2008, my calendar says 2012. My point is that in-depth statistical analysis beats out "gut feelings" all day long when it comes to making predictions.

    And making predictions based on your perception of the first term is, dare I say it, plain silly. As it so happens, like it or not, some people have a diffferent perception of Obamas first term. In other words, when you try to make a prediction, you need to analyze facts, not rely on feelings, or the experience of the Newt Gingriches of the world.

     

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    The change in demographics has come home to roost. Women and minorities are calling the shots these days, (with a minority of white males along for the ride). It has absolutely nothing to do with the job Obama has done as president. By any historical standard he has been a disaster.

    But Obama will not perpetrate any of his socialist policies with the Rs still controlling the House. So any sense of victory is false.

    Who ever heard of passing a huge healthcare bill in the throes of a near depression? Insanity.

     

     
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    Alright! Alright! So Obama wins again. Let's see if his plan can pan out in the next 4 years. I do not think it will. We'll be in over $20 trillion (that number is unfathomable) in debt and the economy will be ruins. We could be the next Greece!

    With this guy and the Democrats in general, it'll be more tax and spend policies. They promise tax cuts for the middle class and massive job creation. I seriously doubt either of these two will happen.

    So letting Obama back in office is a plan for more dispair and hopelessness. By voting him in, we'll get exactly what we deserve. For all those of you who voted for Democratic ticket, congratulations! 

     

     

     
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    It was a good night tonight.  My wife and I took our girls to the booths.  My 7 year old filled out my ballot and sent it in the scanner.  Now it's official, 4 more years of moving in the right direction.

     Hey DIPSH_t------you don't think Gorgie JR. who put us in 2 wars,(BTW their were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq), killed our economy. Iraq was for oil and military/construction contracts for the Bush/Cheney Regime and their Cronies, (their was no bidding on contracts!), and Afghanistan is for the OPIUM for BIG PHARMA to make their Pain Meds, (OXYS, Percosets,Vicodern,etc). Bush Jr. never did anything on his own -- his DADDY pulled the strings. And the only reason he won was he and the Regime created the twin tower crap to get the USA people all stired up to go to war---WAR is money! Lastly just for your info genius ALL wars have been  backed on both sides by the same Money people!!!! Use your brain! This comment is not for Tcal but for TB12 or whatever he thinks he is!!!!

    YEAH BABY!!

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    Please tell the 12 to 13 percent of people in my state who are unemployed that they were moving in the right direction the last 4 years and that they are going to continue in that direction for the next 4 years.  You just might get beat up.

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    Alright! Alright! So Obama wins again. Let's see if his plan can pan out in the next 4 years. I do not think it will. We'll be in over $20 trillion (that number is unfathomable) in debt and the economy will be ruins. We could be the next Greece!

    With this guy and the Democrats in general, it'll be more tax and spend policies. They promise tax cuts for the middle class and massive job creation. I seriously doubt either of these two will happen.

    So letting Obama back in office is a plan for more dispair and hopelessness. By voting him in, we'll get exactly what we deserve. For all those of you who voted for Democratic ticket, congratulations! 

    At least you got the Little right-but it should be Little brain! Have you ever heard of Bushs Patriot Act? That's the bill signed by Baby Bush to allow the Gov't to listen in  and spy at their discretion. And where were the Weapons of Mass Destuction? Not found! Iraq for Military/Construction contracts for the rich and Afghanistan for the Opium to make the Pain pills,(oxys,percs,vikes,etc), that have become the # 1 seeler in USA--Big Pharma baby--USE your Brain little timmy!!!!!!!

     

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    I don't disagree. But, you driving to vote for Johnson is also a waste.  Thst was my point. My vote vs yours aren't any different.

    Address the electoral college flaw and then we can talk, dude.

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    And what is that electoral college flaw junior? Can't wait to hear this one.

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    What is the flaw? Are you kidding me?  If you have a polarization (at its peak right now) of two political parties and the electoral college count trumps the popular vote, all you have to to do is win specific states.

    As PatsEng just said above "my vote doesn't count" and that's because we know Obama coasts in MA, just like we know Romney coasts in the South.

    You're mocking me like I don't know what I am talking about, yet I do.   It's very clear by you challenging me on this concept, you actualy have NO CLUE, so I am glad I can help you learn, old man.

    See, you follow me around, all insecure because I am smarter than you, and you look for ways to try to gain leverage back.

    Well, you didn't here and likely won't anywhere. The electoral college was a concept that was based on poulation of states for proper representation.......populations like 200 years ago!!!

    How and why should that apply in 2012? It's ludicrous. The whole point of voting is to make sure each INDIVIDUAL's vote COUNTS.  Why should 1 or 2 states decide a nationa election?

    We invented Democracy yet we don't have this part right? It's comical and sad at the same time.

    Capiche? I apoligize to the board for my tone, but if anyone knows Babe and me here, they know what he's looking to do with his condescening initiating tone right there. It's impossible for him to believe someone 25 his junior is more intelligent than he is. lol

     

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    Amen rusty. The electoral college should go. it has outlived its usefulness. We have the technology and means now to properly manage a popular vote. 

     
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    The change in demographics has come home to roost. Women and minorities are calling the shots these days, (with a minority of white males along for the ride). It has absolutely nothing to do with the job Obama has done as president. By any historical standard he has been a disaster.

    But Obama will not perpetrate any of his socialist policies with the Rs still controlling the House. So any sense of victory is false.

    Who ever heard of passing a huge healthcare bill in the throes of a near depression? Insanity.

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    To start with your last question. Fortunately, economic crises like this one don't come along too often, and neither do healthcare reform. But if you're looking for an increase in public spending as an answer to a economic crisis, you can look to FDR's New Deal. It was part public spending on infrastructure, roads, schools etc, and part was also the Social Security Act.

    If you want to go full Tea-party mode an call FDR insane, be my guest. I don't agree, I consider him one of the greatest presidents.

    Which of Obamas' policies do you consider socialist, and what do you mean by socialist? I'm aware that many Americans use the word as a derogative, simply used to deprive the policy in question of any legitimacy, but maybe there is substanse to claim. Then please explain.

    Last the historic standard. Well, considering he came after Bush Junior, it's a pretty bold claim he has been a disaster. Health care, stimulus package, Wall Street-reform, ending Iraq, will end Afghanistan, bin Laden, auto industry, repealed "don't ask, don't tell", Libya, ending US use of torture.

     
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    The change in demographics has come home to roost. Women and minorities are calling the shots these days, (with a minority of white males along for the ride). It has absolutely nothing to do with the job Obama has done as president. By any historical standard he has been a disaster.

    But Obama will not perpetrate any of his socialist policies with the Rs still controlling the House. So any sense of victory is false.

    Who ever heard of passing a huge healthcare bill in the throes of a near depression? Insanity.

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    To start with your last question. Fortunately, economic crises like this one don't come along too often, and neither do healthcare reform. But if you're looking for an increase in public spending as an answer to a economic crisis, you can look to FDR's New Deal. It was part public spending on infrastructure, roads, schools etc, and part was also the Social Security Act.

    If you want to go full Tea-party mode an call FDR insane, be my guest. I don't agree, I consider him one of the greatest presidents.

    Which of Obamas' policies do you consider socialist, and what do you mean by socialist? I'm aware that many Americans use the word as a derogative, simply used to deprive the policy in question of any legitimacy, but maybe there is substanse to claim. Then please explain.

    Last the historic standard. Well, considering he came after Bush Junior, it's a pretty bold claim he has been a disaster. Health care, stimulus package, Wall Street-reform, ending Iraq, will end Afghanistan, bin Laden, auto industry, repealed "don't ask, don't tell", Libya, ending US use of torture.

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    Ahh did you just compare what FDR in the new deal and healthcare really? What the new deal did was create millions of jobs building an infrustructure that we currently are still using (and it's falling apart) and created a retirement system that was suppose to be self sustaining provided only those who put in took money out and the government didn't touch it.

    The healthcare reform does not create any new jobs what so ever and actually needs a large investment to get started, some of which came from social security. Additionally social security is being raided by the government to pay for programs it wants to fund while also lowering restrictions allowing people who didn't pay into the system to collect from it.

    You can't compare the two at all. They are nothing a like.

     
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    The change in demographics has come home to roost. Women and minorities are calling the shots these days, (with a minority of white males along for the ride). It has absolutely nothing to do with the job Obama has done as president. By any historical standard he has been a disaster.

    But Obama will not perpetrate any of his socialist policies with the Rs still controlling the House. So any sense of victory is false.

    Who ever heard of passing a huge healthcare bill in the throes of a near depression? Insanity.

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    To start with your last question. Fortunately, economic crises like this one don't come along too often, and neither do healthcare reform. But if you're looking for an increase in public spending as an answer to a economic crisis, you can look to FDR's New Deal. It was part public spending on infrastructure, roads, schools etc, and part was also the Social Security Act.

    If you want to go full Tea-party mode an call FDR insane, be my guest. I don't agree, I consider him one of the greatest presidents.

    Which of Obamas' policies do you consider socialist, and what do you mean by socialist? I'm aware that many Americans use the word as a derogative, simply used to deprive the policy in question of any legitimacy, but maybe there is substanse to claim. Then please explain.

    Last the historic standard. Well, considering he came after Bush Junior, it's a pretty bold claim he has been a disaster. Health care, stimulus package, Wall Street-reform, ending Iraq, will end Afghanistan, bin Laden, auto industry, repealed "don't ask, don't tell", Libya, ending US use of torture.

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    Ahh did you just compare what FDR in the new deal and healthcare really? What the new deal did was create millions of jobs building an infrustructure that we currently are still using (and it's falling apart) and created a retirement system that was suppose to be self sustaining provided only those who put in took money out and the government didn't touch it.

    The healthcare reform does not create any new jobs what so ever and actually needs a large investment to get started, some of which came from social security. Additionally social security is being raided by the government to pay for programs it wants to fund while also lowering restrictions allowing people who didn't pay into the system to collect from it.

    You can't compare the two at all. They are nothing a like.

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    It was stated that passing healthcare reform in the throes of a near depression was insanity. I understood the argument to be that increasing public spending in such a situation was insanity.  I provided another example of increasing public spending which I assumed everybody was familiar with and few would think was insane. There probably were not many jobs in passing a social security act either. But it still made sense, because it was the right thing to do. Same as healthcare.

    Providing healthcare for everybody may not create new jobs, but I'm pretty sure those who will now be treated better and sooner than they otherwise would have, have a better chance at either keeping their job or getting one.

    Healthcare is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. 

    The US has run with public deficits in a decade. The last surplus was in 2001. Since 1940 there has been a surplus 12 times. Why is a Obama deficit worse than a Bush, Bush Jr., or Reagan deifict?

     

     
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    The change in demographics has come home to roost. Women and minorities are calling the shots these days, (with a minority of white males along for the ride). It has absolutely nothing to do with the job Obama has done as president. By any historical standard he has been a disaster.

    But Obama will not perpetrate any of his socialist policies with the Rs still controlling the House. So any sense of victory is false.

    Who ever heard of passing a huge healthcare bill in the throes of a near depression? Insanity.

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    To start with your last question. Fortunately, economic crises like this one don't come along too often, and neither do healthcare reform. But if you're looking for an increase in public spending as an answer to a economic crisis, you can look to FDR's New Deal. It was part public spending on infrastructure, roads, schools etc, and part was also the Social Security Act.

    If you want to go full Tea-party mode an call FDR insane, be my guest. I don't agree, I consider him one of the greatest presidents.

    Which of Obamas' policies do you consider socialist, and what do you mean by socialist? I'm aware that many Americans use the word as a derogative, simply used to deprive the policy in question of any legitimacy, but maybe there is substanse to claim. Then please explain.

    Last the historic standard. Well, considering he came after Bush Junior, it's a pretty bold claim he has been a disaster. Health care, stimulus package, Wall Street-reform, ending Iraq, will end Afghanistan, bin Laden, auto industry, repealed "don't ask, don't tell", Libya, ending US use of torture.

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    Ahh did you just compare what FDR in the new deal and healthcare really? What the new deal did was create millions of jobs building an infrustructure that we currently are still using (and it's falling apart) and created a retirement system that was suppose to be self sustaining provided only those who put in took money out and the government didn't touch it.

    The healthcare reform does not create any new jobs what so ever and actually needs a large investment to get started, some of which came from social security. Additionally social security is being raided by the government to pay for programs it wants to fund while also lowering restrictions allowing people who didn't pay into the system to collect from it.

    You can't compare the two at all. They are nothing a like.

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    It was stated that passing healthcare reform in the throes of a near depression was insanity. I understood the argument to be that increasing public spending in such a situation was insanity.  I provided another example of increasing public spending which I assumed everybody was familiar with and few would think was insane. There probably were not many jobs in passing a social security act either. But it still made sense, because it was the right thing to do. Same as healthcare.

    Providing healthcare for everybody may not create new jobs, but I'm pretty sure those who will now be treated better and sooner than they otherwise would have, have a better chance at either keeping their job or getting one.

    Healthcare is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. 

    The US has run with public deficits in a decade. The last surplus was in 2001. Since 1940 there has been a surplus 12 times. Why is a Obama deficit worse than a Bush, Bush Jr., or Reagan deifict?

     

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    Because the U.S. IS 16 TRILLION IN DEBT going on to 20 TRILLON. WE ARE BORROWING 40 CENTS OF EVERY DOLLAR WE SPEND. DO YOU RUN YOUR PERSONAL FINANACES THAT WAY?

     
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    No I don't and I don't think it is wise. My question however remains, why is this deficit worse than previous deficits?

    Total debt as percentage of GDP has been higher than now, in the years around WWII, so it's not like this is an unprecedented mess.

    The fact of the matter is, you guys like Romney over Obama, and that is why Obama deficits are worse than say Reagan deficits. It is not logic, but it is what it is.

    Well, it's getting close to the end of the day here in Denmark, and I'm off to pick up the kids, so I'm stopping now.

    Let's get to Sunday fast, so we can enjoy a good beating of the Bills.

     
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    Healthcare is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. Food is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. Education is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. Housing is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. Electricity is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. Heat is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. Transportation is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. Clothing is expensive, everybody needs it, not everybody can afford it, so everybody else pitches in through taxes. Two full years of unemployment benefits (I know people who will only work the minimum number of hours possible in order to legally file a new unemployment claim), free cell phones, free internet, free college tuition, free food stamps used to buy cigarettes and alcohol. Where does it end??? There are millions of people who get these free, government sponsored benefits simply because they know how to play the system and refuse to go out and work for a living. Millions more work 'under the table' and pay NO taxes. There is NO accountability from the government. This is why this country is failing.

     
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    I don't disagree. But, you driving to vote for Johnson is also a waste.  Thst was my point. My vote vs yours aren't any different.

    Address the electoral college flaw and then we can talk, dude.

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    And what is that electoral college flaw junior? Can't wait to hear this one.

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    What is the flaw? Are you kidding me?  If you have a polarization (at its peak right now) of two political parties and the electoral college count trumps the popular vote, all you have to to do is win specific states.

    As PatsEng just said above "my vote doesn't count" and that's because we know Obama coasts in MA, just like we know Romney coasts in the South.

    You're mocking me like I don't know what I am talking about, yet I do.   It's very clear by you challenging me on this concept, you actualy have NO CLUE, so I am glad I can help you learn, old man.

    See, you follow me around, all insecure because I am smarter than you, and you look for ways to try to gain leverage back.

    Well, you didn't here and likely won't anywhere. The electoral college was a concept that was based on poulation of states for proper representation.......populations like 200 years ago!!!

    How and why should that apply in 2012? It's ludicrous. The whole point of voting is to make sure each INDIVIDUAL's vote COUNTS.  Why should 1 or 2 states decide a nationa election?

    We invented Democracy yet we don't have this part right? It's comical and sad at the same time.

    Capiche? I apoligize to the board for my tone, but if anyone knows Babe and me here, they know what he's looking to do with his condescening initiating tone right there. It's impossible for him to believe someone 25 his junior is more intelligent than he is. lol

     

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    Let me explain for you junior.

    The EC is a brilliant system as is the entire structure of our government the founding fathers left us. It helps defend smaller population states from the larger ones. It is the same principle as the 2 senators per state no matter the population (and taken from that directly along with the reps who are assigned based on population).

    If you went by popular vote, circumstances could arise where a total of 9 states could decide the election (the 9 largest states comprise a bit more than half the population). No 9 states could provide the 270 electoral votes to elect a President. Just because that isn't the current circumstance does not mean it could never happen.

    See....

    California has more people than the 21 least populated states combined. Of those 21 states 7 states have 3 EC votes, 5 have 4, 3 have 5, 6 have 6. That's 21 states with 92 total EC votes compared to California's 55 - though combined they have less population.

    Because of this, you will never ever ever get 2/3 of the states to ratify an amendment to change to a strictly popular vote. They would be undermining their influence by a considerable degree.

     

    I don't follow you around junior. You just post a lot of incorrect things.

     
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    Re: Go vote tomorrow

    Obomney won, what else is new

     

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