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In response to rkarp's comment:
If you look at the $$$, it is pretty obvious Wes will be released after this year. If he is on the Denver roster in March, he will be guaranteed $8M next year. If they cut him, the cap hit is $2M. They need to, and want to, resign Decker.
I think it is pretty obvious JE will command more $$$ than the Pats are willing to spend, or have available given their other needs and cap position for 2014.
Could Wes be next years Collie?
My favorite part of this thread is your classic hypocrisy not being noticed by all your naive allies. Cap hell doesn't exist unless it applies to the Patriots.
You're such a fraud it's amazing.
You're such a miserable person who simply cannot enjoy a ride. Absolutely pathetic. Welker ain't coming back. His career in fact may be over with those concussions.
And, Edelman ain't going aywhere.
There is no such thing a salary cap hell
the Pats are tight against the cap with $120m committed for next year
assuming they need $5m for rookies and $5m for carry thru, I ask you for 3rd time, what other moves do they make this offseason to create space?
You are so sure they sign JE...how do they get the cap space? Talib? spikes? Wendell?
Pls tell us your expert thoughts Mr Jealousy
Oh yes there is such a thing as cap hell. We're witnessing it off the lockout right now.
I don't think they will move on Talib unless they can get him for a similar price and maybe the 1 year. If he doesn't bite on that, he will probably go elsewhere. The market will remain flat, the flags still sit with him (hip, potential for lashing out in weaker environment), so his price porbably won;t go up much. It may be in his best interest and other FA CBs like Brent Grimes, Rodgers-Cromartie, etc, to sign another 1 year deal. I think all of them will be disappointed.
As for Edelman, I think he will work with BB and Kraft because he's not dumb. He realizes the loyalty. He will sign back here to a team friendly deal with guarantees in the 2nd and 3rd years, when the cap jumps. That's what I will think will happen. It makes no sense for a 7th rd pick, who was given the chance and opps here to make something of himself as a WR, etc, to think the grass is greener elswhere.
He's Welker Part II. Welker thought he had a big market, but as you can see, he didn't.
No one is buying your little fraud game here of this doom and gloom for us and somehow "no cap hell" elsewhere, too, little Karpie.
Your arrogance is so far gone you can't even see how hypocritical you sound.
The reason why our tight cap position isn't a big deal, outside of the unfortunate Hernandez cap hit, which admittedly (I wish the trial was sooner) is a crappy thing for the team, is that BB 's base is currently built and under contract. Anyone who isn't, they either have leverage on or don't want moving forward.
The other teams you deny having cap hell problems like the Steelers, Giants, Jets, or even teams like Baltimore or Denver who are masking their issues in 2013, don't have the base of young talent like BB does here. That's a MAJOR difference in these discussions.
Baltimore is basically a .500 team this year with some gifts from the refs. Compare that to us bagged in NY or Carolina or even Miami last week with Hooman raped in the end zone.
I fully realize an impact 1st rder for us next year would a great addiiton to the team or a lower priced hit in FA would also be nice, but for all intents and purposes, his base is built and under contract.
Read the last portion of that sentence carefully.
It is my opinion, BB can cut Mankins and Wilfork and bring them both back with team friendly deals. Neither is going to want to go elsewhere at this point and both should be rational about the situation. They may even be able to do something with Gostkowski like give him an extension, where he works with BB after the 2014 season when the cap jumps.
Like I keep telling you, which you refuse to understand: The lockout changed EVERYTHING.
Whatever teams used to do pre 2011 THEY CANNOT do as easy in terms of FA maneuvers, now. Anyone OVER 30, who is a FA, who thinks they still should get a nice contract, will not be seeing that anymore, unless a moron franchise gives them one.
Capiche? Mike Wallace in Miami? Brutal deal. Eli in NY and Cruz? Brutal. FLacco in Balt? Brutal. None of those deals are proper market value.
The rookie cap makes investing in YOUNGER players more attractive, especially for teams who are in need of a build, whether it be a 2 year plan or a 3-5 year kind of plan.
Trust me when I tell you I am way, way ahead of you on all of this. It's how I set you up to win our Jets cap bet. lol
Loyalty would have been signing JE to a 2-3 year deal with $3-5m in incentives, rather than have JE twist in the wind for 8 weeks and having to go to talk to the Jints, and then the. Pats finally offer $750K. Loyalty is a 2 way street, and BB does not work with in "loyalty" parameters.
JE has offers of 3-4 years at $18m with $7-8 guaranteed And the Pats are unable to match that even if they wanted.