good bye Julian, hello Wes??

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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

    “Larry Bird’s not walking through that door, fans. Kevin McHale is not walking through that door, and Robert Parish is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through the door, they’re going to be grey and old.

    Add the concussion Kid to that list....Don't need him, Don't WANT him !!!!!

     Fragile handle with care

     
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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

    In response to HelmetofLeather's comment:

    “Larry Bird’s not walking through that door, fans. Kevin McHale is not walking through that door, and Robert Parish is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through the door, they’re going to be grey and old.

    Add the concussion Kid to that list....Don't need him, Don't WANT him !!!!!




    AMEN. 

     
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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

    In response to laurienyc13's comment:

     

    Don't see Wes coming back, Wes couldn't keep his mouth shut about how BB picked on him, plus they thought he was on the decline and now with 2 concussions he will be out more. I agree I don't see him in a Bronco's jersey either. I know I'm in the minority but I don't think Amendola was a bad signing, if the Pats this year didn't have so many new players then I believe things with Amendola would have been different. What TB has been able to do with mostly new young players is just unbelievable!! Wes' career is probably close to being over His greed has come back to bite him in the as#! If he took money PATS offered him before last season then most likely he wouldnt have 2 concussions and risk having to wear the diapers he did commercial for!!! Hope his wife knows how to change them and his plugs are paid for. I always loved Wes and hope he is smart enough to know when to walk away. 

     

     

    well said laurienyc


     
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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

    There is no way Welker gets released.  If he does, that would mean Belichick made the right decision and 80% of the board was wrong.  That just can't be possible, can it? 

     
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    In response to TFB12's comment:

    ....Welker won't be a Patriot next year but the Patriots have a dilemma for sure.  It is going to cost the Patriots a good amount of money to keep Edelman and they are over paying Amendola.  That is a dilemma for sure.

    I totally disagree with you Wozzy on this.  I totally disagree with you saying Amendola has done exactly what they expected him to do.  No way.

     

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    OK, these are DA's career numbers, to date:   52 games, 247 recepts, 9.3 ypc, 9 TDs

    These are his numbers in  2012: 11 games, 63 recepts, 10.6 ypc, 3 TDs

    These are his current 2013 stats: 10 games, 51 recepts, 11.4 ypc, 2 TDs

    Perfectly in line with what he's done throughout his career. He is exactly who they thought he was, unless they expected him to morph into Randy Moss? I tend to doubt that.

    Back to the money, I posted his contract above. His cap number this year is $3.5 mil, $4.7 mil next year, $5.7 in the 2015 season, before which he'll probably get restructured or released because that's how the contract is set up. That's pretty affordable and he is not overpaid.

    By contrast, Welker was $4.1 mil this year and jumps to $8 mil next year. His was essentially a one year contract, they aren't paying him $8 mil.

    Whether the Pats resign Edelman or not won't be because of DA's contract, it's not a bad contract at all. If you want to talk about a bad contract, look at someone like Mankins. Or how about Miles Austin, his cap hit next year is $8.2 mil and it will cost them over $7 mil in dead money if they release him. 

     
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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

    no thanks to WW he's one big hit away from being a turnip.

     
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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

    In response to ghostofjri37's comment:

    Assuming the OP's premise is correct and the Donkeys do let WW go Cincy should make a play for him. They have something close to 17M available under the cap in 2014 and it would make sense getting Dalton a reliable inside receiver as a compliment to Green on the outside.

    The other team with the cap space availability that WW might want to consider is Indy. Another QB that could use a dependable inside receiver...  if Reggie Wayne comes back healthy it would make sense for all involved.



    Great points. I could also see houston go after him. Jury is out on schaub for next year, and if casy gets the start, or if they draft so some new, a good slot would help move the chains. Also like Cincy, nice compliment to the 2 good outside wr's they have.

     
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    "The grass is always greener in your neighbor's yard"! With a healthy core of WRs and TEs - Gronk, DA, Dobson, Tompkins, Boyce, Edelman (if signed) -- Patriots will be in good shape for the 2014 season.  WW has had too many hits to the head.

    Red Sox 2013 World Series Champs.  Patriots 2014 Super Bowl Champs???!!!

     
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    If you look at the $$$, it is pretty obvious Wes will be released after this year. If he is on the Denver roster in March, he will be guaranteed $8M next year. If they cut him, the cap hit is $2M. They need to, and want to, resign Decker.

    I think it is pretty obvious JE will command more $$$ than the Pats are willing to spend, or have available given their other needs and cap position for 2014.

    Could Wes be next years Collie?



    My favorite part of this thread is your classic hypocrisy not being noticed by all your naive allies.  Cap hell doesn't exist unless it applies to the Patriots.

    You're such a fraud it's amazing.

    You're such a miserable person who simply cannot enjoy a ride.  Absolutely pathetic. Welker ain't coming back. His career in fact may be over with those concussions.

    And, Edelman ain't going aywhere.



    There is no such thing a salary cap hell

    the Pats are tight against the cap with $120m committed for next year

    assuming they need $5m for rookies and $5m for carry thru, I ask you for 3rd time, what other moves do they make this offseason to create space? 

    You are so sure they sign JE...how do they get the cap space? Talib? spikes? Wendell? 

    Pls tell us your expert thoughts Mr Jealousy

     

    Oh yes there is such a thing as cap hell.  We're witnessing it off the lockout right now.


    I don't think they will move on Talib unless they can get him for a similar price and maybe the 1 year.  If he doesn't bite on that, he will probably go elsewhere.  The market will remain flat, the flags still sit with him (hip, potential for lashing out in weaker environment), so his price porbably won;t go up much. It may be in his best interest and other FA CBs like Brent Grimes, Rodgers-Cromartie, etc, to sign another 1 year deal.   I think all of them will be disappointed.    

    As for Edelman, I think he will work with BB and Kraft because he's not dumb. He realizes the loyalty. He will sign back here to a team friendly deal with guarantees in the 2nd and 3rd years, when the cap jumps.  That's what I will think will happen. It makes no sense for a 7th rd pick, who was given the chance and opps here to make something of himself as a WR, etc, to think the grass is greener elswhere.

    He's Welker Part II.  Welker thought he had a big market, but as you can see, he didn't.

    No one is buying your little fraud game here of this doom and gloom for us and somehow "no cap hell" elsewhere, too, little Karpie.

    Your arrogance is so far gone you can't even see how hypocritical you sound.

    The reason why our tight cap position isn't a big deal, outside of the unfortunate Hernandez cap hit, which admittedly (I wish the trial was sooner) is a crappy thing for the team, is that BB 's base is currently built and under contract.  Anyone who isn't, they either have leverage on or don't want moving forward.  

    The other teams you deny having cap hell problems like the Steelers, Giants, Jets, or even teams like Baltimore or Denver who are masking their issues in 2013, don't have the base of young talent like BB does here.   That's a MAJOR difference in these discussions.

    Baltimore is basically a .500 team this year with some gifts from the refs.  Compare that to us bagged in NY or Carolina or even Miami last week with Hooman raped in the end zone.

    I fully realize an impact 1st rder for us next year would a great addiiton to the team or a lower priced hit in FA would also be nice, but for all intents and purposes, his base is built and under contract.

    Read the last portion of that sentence carefully.

    It is my opinion, BB can cut Mankins and Wilfork and bring them both back with team friendly deals.  Neither is going to want to go elsewhere at this point and both should be rational about the situation.  They may even be able to do something with Gostkowski like give him an extension, where he works with BB after the 2014 season when the cap jumps.

    Like I keep telling you, which you refuse to understand: The lockout changed EVERYTHING.

    Whatever teams used to do pre 2011 THEY CANNOT do as easy in terms of FA maneuvers, now. Anyone OVER 30, who is a FA, who thinks they still should get a nice contract, will not be seeing that anymore, unless a moron franchise gives them one.

    Capiche?   Mike Wallace in Miami? Brutal deal. Eli in NY and Cruz? Brutal.  FLacco in Balt? Brutal.  None of those deals are proper market value.

    The rookie cap makes investing in YOUNGER players more attractive, especially for teams who are in need of a build, whether it be a 2 year plan or a 3-5 year kind of plan.

    Trust me when I tell you I am way, way ahead of you on all of this. It's how I set you up to win our Jets cap bet. lol

     



    Explain a team friendly deal that you think Mankins and Vince would agree to?

    Explain what type of contract JE would sign here out of "loyalty"

    Loyalty would have been signing JE to a 2-3 year deal with $3-5m in incentives, rather than have JE twist in the wind for 8 weeks and having to go to talk to the Jints, and then the. Pats finally offer $750K. Loyalty is a 2 way street, and BB does not work with in "loyalty" parameters.

    JE has offers of 3-4 years at $18m with $7-8 guaranteed And the Pats are unable to match that even if they wanted. 



    Listen to you. I just abused and embarassed you up above and now you're telling the board FA is open early and Edelman is fieldin offers?

    My god are loony psycho as well as a liar.

     



    I knew you could not do it Mr Backpedal. No surprise there

    No, that is what JE will be offerd and signed for once. FA begins. 

     



    Could not do what? Easily avoid being a moron like you?

    All BB has to do is get players who want to be here and not leave to get through the 2014 part of the deal before the cap jumps in 2015.   

    Edelman will not get what you are saying.  He has more value here than pretty much anywhere else and he's not going to Denver. Care to wager on that?  Welker barely got 5 million from NE and only one team was willing to bid with BB's offer.

    Now you think Edelman, a product of this system, is going to be a get around 6 million per year (on average) for a 3 year deal with 8 guaranteed?

    This is the first time he's been healthy through the year.  He has earned himself a large raise, but it will be more like the Amendola contract which they absolutely can afford.



    Please. You always, always avoid or deflect questions you can't answer. I think rkarp posed some legit questions yet the 152 iq can't get it done. Priceless.

    edelman a product of the system? Sure, he plays well in this system but he can also play well other places and will Because no way they give him what amendola is making. You claim they will and I would like to see how they fit JE under the cap. Again, care to take a shot?

    the pats next year are in salary cap purgatory. I don't believe in hell because any team can get out of it (see ravens), and some like the ravens can still be competitive. 

     
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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

    In response to PatsLifer's comment:

    Great points. I could also see houston go after him. Jury is out on schaub for next year, and if casy gets the start, or if they draft so some new, a good slot would help move the chains. Also like Cincy, nice compliment to the 2 good outside wr's they have.



    A healthy Welker would benefit a bunch of teams (add SD, Miami, Chicago, Green Bay, New Orleans, Pitt, Philly and Detroit to the list if you want). Problem is, he may not be healthy. And none of those teams or any others that have been mentioned is better for him than where he is. He'll restructure and stay, or he'll retire.

     
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