good bye Julian, hello Wes??

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    There is no way Welker gets released.  If he does, that would mean Belichick made the right decision and 80% of the board was wrong.  That just can't be possible, can it? 



    LOL!

    It also looks like BB was right again in not only walking from Welkie, but putting Welkie money into TWO players for the same money as the one with Welkie.

    Denver structured his deal like that due to cap issues, so if they do cut Welkie, they're in more trouble next year with Gomie at 38.




    So you are saying the Pats would have let Edelman go had they kept Welker?

    Of course they wouldn't have.  You would have had Welker making a little more then Amendola, would totally be woth it getting more production, and then Edelman probably making what he makes now.  And the PAts would probably be in the #1 seed right now with the SB going though NE.

    Welker/Edelman > Amendola/Edelman

    Once again you are an idiot.

     

     
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    I agree with all this except the Amendola part...he is not worth the 7 millnion a year we are paying him...not even close. This a guy that should be making half that for what he has brought to the table. ..... Too me that is not a guy you pay 7 million for.

     



    Maybe that's why they're not paying anything close to that much.

     

    2013: $2 mil salary/$3.5 mil cap hit

    2014: $3 mil/$4.7 mil

    2015: $4 mil/$5.7 mil

    2016: $5 mil/$6.7 mil

    2017: $6 mil/$7.7 mil

     



    Mt Hurl is a moron like RKarp. He's a Home Ec teacher and a high school graduate, which is why he thinks there is no cap and he's smarter than BB from behind a keyboard.  lmao

     

     




    I say more like the kids who read the morning announcements off the paper that is given to them over the speakers, but every once in a while they add their own spin to them to see if anyone here bites. And of course, the dorks do. Damn, Rus, you know they are intimidated by and fear your knowledge when they critique every post you create. CONGRATS!



    Well, if more people called them out as frauds, the board would be a better place. They 15-20 of them and Bustchise think they own this board, so they feel enabled.

    Muzz did a nice job above calling out Cupcake for his repeated lies.  

    That's the thing with Hurl.  He'll change one word or one number and post it as a truth. He's misquoted me at least a dozen times to try to get an advantage and discredit me, but I think enough people know his game and lies.

    And you just know I am not about to be talked down to my a HOme Ec teacher who never went to college.

    Ain't happening.




     
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    ....Welker won't be a Patriot next year but the Patriots have a dilemma for sure.  It is going to cost the Patriots a good amount of money to keep Edelman and they are over paying Amendola.  That is a dilemma for sure.

    I totally disagree with you Wozzy on this.  I totally disagree with you saying Amendola has done exactly what they expected him to do.  No way.

     

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    OK, these are DA's career numbers, to date:   52 games, 247 recepts, 9.3 ypc, 9 TDs

    These are his numbers in  2012: 11 games, 63 recepts, 10.6 ypc, 3 TDs

    These are his current 2013 stats: 10 games, 51 recepts, 11.4 ypc, 2 TDs

    Perfectly in line with what he's done throughout his career. He is exactly who they thought he was, unless they expected him to morph into Randy Moss? I tend to doubt that.

    Back to the money, I posted his contract above. His cap number this year is $3.5 mil, $4.7 mil next year, $5.7 in the 2015 season, before which he'll probably get restructured or released because that's how the contract is set up. That's pretty affordable and he is not overpaid.

    By contrast, Welker was $4.1 mil this year and jumps to $8 mil next year. His was essentially a one year contract, they aren't paying him $8 mil.

    Whether the Pats resign Edelman or not won't be because of DA's contract, it's not a bad contract at all. If you want to talk about a bad contract, look at someone like Mankins. Or how about Miles Austin, his cap hit next year is $8.2 mil and it will cost them over $7 mil in dead money if they release him. 

    Come on Wozzy, you know better then this.  So you are saying the Pats expected Amendola to come in and put up the same numbers he did with the Rams and pay him a $6 million signing bonus and $4 million in guaranteed base salaries over the first two years?   I am not buying that.  That's like saying they expected him to get hurt, miss some games and put up same stats he did with the Rams? You don't pay someone the kind of money the Pats did and expect those numbers.  If so then BB has some serious explaining to do.

     

     
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    There is no way Welker gets released.  If he does, that would mean Belichick made the right decision and 80% of the board was wrong.  That just can't be possible, can it? 

     

     



    LOL!

     

     

    It also looks like BB was right again in not only walking from Welkie, but putting Welkie money into TWO players for the same money as the one with Welkie.

    Denver structured his deal like that due to cap issues, so if they do cut Welkie, they're in more trouble next year with Gomie at 38.

     



     

    Welker/Edelman > Amendola/Edelman

    Once again you are an idiot.

     

     



    Welker is not playing and will be 33 next year, so why on earth would we want that over Amendola right now???

     

    Who is the idiot?  lmao

    Plus, the binky addiction that Welker provided ended up destroying some of Brady's QB skills.

     

     

     

    You can't break the love spell between the idiots and Wessie. You know TFBiatch12 has got to be impotent over Wessie's last 6-week performance. These guys are really lost Rus. How is it they stil want a choker after he was zapped twice and has missed half the season at 32, will be 33, and is one head bup from being a leafy green vegetable? If he were a lineman, then it wouldn't be such a huge deal, but a skill position guy who is losing acute motorskills at the slot, and needs hand eve and balance? He already drops uncontested balls for God's sake.......They are all part of a cult or something.....



     
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    There is no way Welker gets released.  If he does, that would mean Belichick made the right decision and 80% of the board was wrong.  That just can't be possible, can it? 

     



    LOL!

     

    It also looks like BB was right again in not only walking from Welkie, but putting Welkie money into TWO players for the same money as the one with Welkie.

    Denver structured his deal like that due to cap issues, so if they do cut Welkie, they're in more trouble next year with Gomie at 38.



    Welker/Edelman > Amendola/Edelman

    Once again you are an idiot.

     



    Welker is not playing and will be 33 next year, so why on earth would we want that over Amendola right now???

    Who is the idiot?  lmao

    Plus, the binky addiction that Welker provided ended up destroying some of Brady's QB skills.




    Team would have been better this year with Welker and not Amendola.  If you don't see that then get your head out of the sand on BB beach, toss those rose colored glasses away and pour the koolaid down the drain.  As of now the Pats are 10-4, could lose the #2 seed and has a chance of being knocked completely out of the playoffs.  Welker helped the team get to two SB's, can Amendola do that?  Probably not this season.

    Who is the idiot now!

     
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    ....Welker won't be a Patriot next year but the Patriots have a dilemma for sure.  It is going to cost the Patriots a good amount of money to keep Edelman and they are over paying Amendola.  That is a dilemma for sure.

    I totally disagree with you Wozzy on this.  I totally disagree with you saying Amendola has done exactly what they expected him to do.  No way.

     

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    OK, these are DA's career numbers, to date:   52 games, 247 recepts, 9.3 ypc, 9 TDs

     

    These are his numbers in  2012: 11 games, 63 recepts, 10.6 ypc, 3 TDs

    These are his current 2013 stats: 10 games, 51 recepts, 11.4 ypc, 2 TDs

    Perfectly in line with what he's done throughout his career. He is exactly who they thought he was, unless they expected him to morph into Randy Moss? I tend to doubt that.

    Back to the money, I posted his contract above. His cap number this year is $3.5 mil, $4.7 mil next year, $5.7 in the 2015 season, before which he'll probably get restructured or released because that's how the contract is set up. That's pretty affordable and he is not overpaid.

    By contrast, Welker was $4.1 mil this year and jumps to $8 mil next year. His was essentially a one year contract, they aren't paying him $8 mil.

    Whether the Pats resign Edelman or not won't be because of DA's contract, it's not a bad contract at all. If you want to talk about a bad contract, look at someone like Mankins. Or how about Miles Austin, his cap hit next year is $8.2 mil and it will cost them over $7 mil in dead money if they release him. 

     

     

    Come on Wozzy, you know better then this.  So you are saying the Pats expected Amendola to come in and put up the same numbers he did with the Rams and pay him a $6 million signing bonus and $4 million in guaranteed base salaries over the first two years?   I am not buying that.  That's like saying they expected him to get hurt, miss some games and put up same stats he did with the Rams? You don't pay someone the kind of money the Pats did and expect those numbers.  If so then BB has some serious explaining to do.

     



    If Amendola has a strong finish this year and has a great postseason, you will be gone from this board from pure embarrassment.

    Edelman and Amendola have already proven to be more clutch in the games they've played in this year than Welker ever was here.

    Far fewer drops, much more difficult receptions made.

    Also, their production has come even if against some tougher defenses, too. Welker was only good or great vs zone or crap defenses.

    Kinda funny what happens when you look at facts and reality, huh?lol

     

     

    I can't see TFBiatch12's responses with him on IGNORE, but if he were to ever do so, I bet he comes back as WW83, Just a hunch! LOL!

     
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    Wes welker's  career is in jeapordy. Probably because he is a 5ft7 32 year old slot receiver who averages 160 targets a year.BB once again, knew what he was doing making tough football decisions by signkng a younger faster injury risk who's contract is FULLY PROTECTED based on Dannys heslth.

    Oh, don't look now but Amendola is catching 68% of his targets(meaning Brady's 61% completion rate gets better the more he throws Danny the ball. I know some of you nitwits demand instant gratification and if a guy doesn't go Randy Moss or better his 1st year he is a bust, but Amendola is a great addition to the offense. Sorry, if that ruins your agenda, just keep talking about how bad Julian Edelman is, or how much Mayo sucks. That should divert the attention elswhere long enough for people to forget. 



    I don't really see many fans busting edelman/DA's chops.  I think they're doing better than expected.  I think the rookie WRs are doing better than expected - but, the rookies can't afford to regress at this stage of the season



    I guess you ignored murtls post up above, and you have selectively forgot babe and companies campaign against julian edelman last year....which has become quiet. 




    I had no campaign against Edelman; never have. I said he was a backup, and that is what he was. You really have a hard time portraying what I have said accurately TC. That's not a good trait.

    I've always been impressed by Edelman's athleticism, and I've said so. Just because I've not jumped on the bandwagon and claimed he was Welker's equal as a receiver doesn't mean I had a campaign against him. I'm just not a homer who overrates people until they actually do the deeds.

    Edelman has put together a very nice year. I'm not ready to pronounce him a perennial all-pro. I'm just glad he has been able to stay on the field.

    He has had good production on a team that has been devastated by injuries at his position. Comparing that to Welker's situation in Denver is apples and oranges. We'll see next year if he is the real deal, or an apparition brought on by a perfect storm of circumstances.

    BTW, I haven't heard much about him being "the greatest punt returner of all-time" lately.

     
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    Wes welker's  career is in jeapordy. Probably because he is a 5ft7 32 year old slot receiver who averages 160 targets a year.BB once again, knew what he was doing making tough football decisions by signkng a younger faster injury risk who's contract is FULLY PROTECTED based on Dannys heslth.

    Oh, don't look now but Amendola is catching 68% of his targets(meaning Brady's 61% completion rate gets better the more he throws Danny the ball. I know some of you nitwits demand instant gratification and if a guy doesn't go Randy Moss or better his 1st year he is a bust, but Amendola is a great addition to the offense. Sorry, if that ruins your agenda, just keep talking about how bad Julian Edelman is, or how much Mayo sucks. That should divert the attention elswhere long enough for people to forget. 

     



    I don't really see many fans busting edelman/DA's chops.  I think they're doing better than expected.  I think the rookie WRs are doing better than expected - but, the rookies can't afford to regress at this stage of the season

     

     



    I guess you ignored murtls post up above, and you have selectively forgot babe and companies campaign against julian edelman last year....which has become quiet. 

     




    I had no campaign against Edelman; never have. I said he was a backup, and that is what he was. You really have a hard time portraying what I have said accurately TC. That's not a good trait.

    I've always been impressed by Edelman's athleticism, and I've said so. Just because I've not jumped on the bandwagon and claimed he was Welker's equal as a receiver doesn't mean I had a campaign against him. I'm just not a homer who overrates people until they actually do the deeds.

    Edelman has put together a very nice year. I'm not ready to pronounce him a perennial all-pro. I'm just glad he has been able to stay on the field.

    He has had good production on a team that has been devastated by injuries at his position. Comparing that to Welker's situation in Denver is apples and oranges. We'll see next year if he is the real deal, or an apparition brought on by a perfect storm of circumstances.

    BTW, I haven't heard much about him being "the greatest punt returner of all-time" lately.

     

     

    BUT, you gotta admit he's better than that last guy we had returning punts. You know the one who's last punt return at the razor cost his team BIG?



     
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    If you look at the $$$, it is pretty obvious Wes will be released after this year. If he is on the Denver roster in March, he will be guaranteed $8M next year. If they cut him, the cap hit is $2M. They need to, and want to, resign Decker.

    I think it is pretty obvious JE will command more $$$ than the Pats are willing to spend, or have available given their other needs and cap position for 2014.

    Could Wes be next years Collie?



    My favorite part of this thread is your classic hypocrisy not being noticed by all your naive allies.  Cap hell doesn't exist unless it applies to the Patriots.

    You're such a fraud it's amazing.

    You're such a miserable person who simply cannot enjoy a ride.  Absolutely pathetic. Welker ain't coming back. His career in fact may be over with those concussions.

    And, Edelman ain't going aywhere.



    There is no such thing a salary cap hell

    the Pats are tight against the cap with $120m committed for next year

    assuming they need $5m for rookies and $5m for carry thru, I ask you for 3rd time, what other moves do they make this offseason to create space? 

    You are so sure they sign JE...how do they get the cap space? Talib? spikes? Wendell? 

    Pls tell us your expert thoughts Mr Jealousy

     

    Oh yes there is such a thing as cap hell.  We're witnessing it off the lockout right now.


    I don't think they will move on Talib unless they can get him for a similar price and maybe the 1 year.  If he doesn't bite on that, he will probably go elsewhere.  The market will remain flat, the flags still sit with him (hip, potential for lashing out in weaker environment), so his price porbably won;t go up much. It may be in his best interest and other FA CBs like Brent Grimes, Rodgers-Cromartie, etc, to sign another 1 year deal.   I think all of them will be disappointed.    

    As for Edelman, I think he will work with BB and Kraft because he's not dumb. He realizes the loyalty. He will sign back here to a team friendly deal with guarantees in the 2nd and 3rd years, when the cap jumps.  That's what I will think will happen. It makes no sense for a 7th rd pick, who was given the chance and opps here to make something of himself as a WR, etc, to think the grass is greener elswhere.

    He's Welker Part II.  Welker thought he had a big market, but as you can see, he didn't.

    No one is buying your little fraud game here of this doom and gloom for us and somehow "no cap hell" elsewhere, too, little Karpie.

    Your arrogance is so far gone you can't even see how hypocritical you sound.

    The reason why our tight cap position isn't a big deal, outside of the unfortunate Hernandez cap hit, which admittedly (I wish the trial was sooner) is a crappy thing for the team, is that BB 's base is currently built and under contract.  Anyone who isn't, they either have leverage on or don't want moving forward.  

    The other teams you deny having cap hell problems like the Steelers, Giants, Jets, or even teams like Baltimore or Denver who are masking their issues in 2013, don't have the base of young talent like BB does here.   That's a MAJOR difference in these discussions.

    Baltimore is basically a .500 team this year with some gifts from the refs.  Compare that to us bagged in NY or Carolina or even Miami last week with Hooman raped in the end zone.

    I fully realize an impact 1st rder for us next year would a great addiiton to the team or a lower priced hit in FA would also be nice, but for all intents and purposes, his base is built and under contract.

    Read the last portion of that sentence carefully.

    It is my opinion, BB can cut Mankins and Wilfork and bring them both back with team friendly deals.  Neither is going to want to go elsewhere at this point and both should be rational about the situation.  They may even be able to do something with Gostkowski like give him an extension, where he works with BB after the 2014 season when the cap jumps.

    Like I keep telling you, which you refuse to understand: The lockout changed EVERYTHING.

    Whatever teams used to do pre 2011 THEY CANNOT do as easy in terms of FA maneuvers, now. Anyone OVER 30, who is a FA, who thinks they still should get a nice contract, will not be seeing that anymore, unless a moron franchise gives them one.

    Capiche?   Mike Wallace in Miami? Brutal deal. Eli in NY and Cruz? Brutal.  FLacco in Balt? Brutal.  None of those deals are proper market value.

    The rookie cap makes investing in YOUNGER players more attractive, especially for teams who are in need of a build, whether it be a 2 year plan or a 3-5 year kind of plan.

    Trust me when I tell you I am way, way ahead of you on all of this. It's how I set you up to win our Jets cap bet. lol

     



    Explain a team friendly deal that you think Mankins and Vince would agree to?

    Explain what type of contract JE would sign here out of "loyalty"

    Loyalty would have been signing JE to a 2-3 year deal with $3-5m in incentives, rather than have JE twist in the wind for 8 weeks and having to go to talk to the Jints, and then the. Pats finally offer $750K. Loyalty is a 2 way street, and BB does not work with in "loyalty" parameters.

    JE has offers of 3-4 years at $18m with $7-8 guaranteed And the Pats are unable to match that even if they wanted. 



    Listen to you. I just abused and embarassed you up above and now you're telling the board FA is open early and Edelman is fieldin offers?

    My god are loony psycho as well as a liar.

     



    I knew you could not do it Mr Backpedal. No surprise there

    No, that is what JE will be offerd and signed for once. FA begins. 

     



    Could not do what? Easily avoid being a moron like you?

    All BB has to do is get players who want to be here and not leave to get through the 2014 part of the deal before the cap jumps in 2015.   

    Edelman will not get what you are saying.  He has more value here than pretty much anywhere else and he's not going to Denver. Care to wager on that?  Welker barely got 5 million from NE and only one team was willing to bid with BB's offer.

    Now you think Edelman, a product of this system, is going to be a get around 6 million per year (on average) for a 3 year deal with 8 guaranteed?

    This is the first time he's been healthy through the year.  He has earned himself a large raise, but it will be more like the Amendola contract which they absolutely can afford.



    Please. You always, always avoid or deflect questions you can't answer. I think rkarp posed some legit questions yet the 152 iq can't get it done. Priceless.

    edelman a product of the system? Sure, he plays well in this system but he can also play well other places and will Because no way they give him what amendola is making. You claim they will and I would like to see how they fit JE under the cap. Again, care to take a shot?

    the pats next year are in salary cap purgatory. I don't believe in hell because any team can get out of it (see ravens), and some like the ravens can still be competitive. 



    I already did. I just did it up above and you quoted it, Tea PArty nutty.

    Flat cap.  Ugh. So dumb on these topics. Is it because you're insecure and I have such a handle on this you feel inadequate?

    RKarp tells us Edelman is fielding offers right now and you troll me after I articulated PERFECLTY the market and current situation?



    No you did not. What is a team friendly deal that both Mankins and Vince would sign? 

    I also did not say Edelman was fielding offers. I said he would sign for those numbers in free agency after the current season.

    still waiting Mr Expert....crickets. What a surprise from someone who is clueless on the cap

     
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    If you look at the $$$, it is pretty obvious Wes will be released after this year. If he is on the Denver roster in March, he will be guaranteed $8M next year. If they cut him, the cap hit is $2M. They need to, and want to, resign Decker.

    I think it is pretty obvious JE will command more $$$ than the Pats are willing to spend, or have available given their other needs and cap position for 2014.

    Could Wes be next years Collie?

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    welker is done. too many hits. bb made the right move in letting him walk.

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    OK, these are DA's career numbers, to date:   52 games, 247 recepts, 9.3 ypc, 9 TDs

    These are his numbers in  2012: 11 games, 63 recepts, 10.6 ypc, 3 TDs

    These are his current 2013 stats: 10 games, 51 recepts, 11.4 ypc, 2 TDs

    Perfectly in line with what he's done throughout his career. He is exactly who they thought he was, unless they expected him to morph into Randy Moss? I tend to doubt that.

    Back to the money, I posted his contract above. His cap number this year is $3.5 mil, $4.7 mil next year, $5.7 in the 2015 season, before which he'll probably get restructured or released because that's how the contract is set up. That's pretty affordable and he is not overpaid.

    By contrast, Welker was $4.1 mil this year and jumps to $8 mil next year. His was essentially a one year contract, they aren't paying him $8 mil.

    Whether the Pats resign Edelman or not won't be because of DA's contract, it's not a bad contract at all. If you want to talk about a bad contract, look at someone like Mankins. Or how about Miles Austin, his cap hit next year is $8.2 mil and it will cost them over $7 mil in dead money if they release him. 

    Come on Wozzy, you know better then this.  So you are saying the Pats expected Amendola to come in and put up the same numbers he did with the Rams and pay him a $6 million signing bonus and $4 million in guaranteed base salaries over the first two years?   I am not buying that.  That's like saying they expected him to get hurt, miss some games and put up same stats he did with the Rams? You don't pay someone the kind of money the Pats did and expect those numbers.  If so then BB has some serious explaining to do.

     



Not sure what's up with the Wozzy part? I'm not offended by that, Wozzy is OK in my book.

Anyway, what "kind of money" is he being paid? It's a reasonable contract for a veteran WR of Amendola's abilities. It's not out of line at all. Injuries aside, he's catching 5.1 balls a game at 11.4 yds per catch. That's 82 catches and 930 yards projected over 16 games. He won't play 16 of course, but I don't think that they expected him to become much more than that.

Do you sign a free agent and expect him to become a better athlete because he's on your team? I don't think so, unless you think he was underutilized where he was, like when the Pats signed Welker away from Miami.

I don't think for one second that's what the Pats thought about Amendola. He was a good player with St. Louis and they exepcted the same type of player in NE. And that's exactly what they got.

Are the Yankees expecting Ellsbury to be a triple crown contender because they gave him $150 mil? Maybe, they're pretty arrogant. 

 
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    Why would the Pats want to bring in an old, injury prone slot receiver that doesn't seem to be able to reliably catch the ball? This is just silly! Really folks, WW is as gone as Moss!

     
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    Amendola's money this year and next seems in line. Endelman has surpassed my expectations for him and certainly is starter worthy although I think he's a killer at the #3 WR position.

     

     
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    no thanks to WW he's one big hit away from being a turnip.

     




    So should the Pats start thinking of unloading Nate Solder?

     




    Nope, Solder has much more upside than Welker! Also O-linemen are much less likely to get a concussion than a slot receiver. And for all we know, his removal from the game last Sunday could be because of his original concussion and not a new one.

     
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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

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    ....Welker won't be a Patriot next year but the Patriots have a dilemma for sure.  It is going to cost the Patriots a good amount of money to keep Edelman and they are over paying Amendola.  That is a dilemma for sure.

    I totally disagree with you Wozzy on this.  I totally disagree with you saying Amendola has done exactly what they expected him to do.  No way.

     

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    OK, these are DA's career numbers, to date:   52 games, 247 recepts, 9.3 ypc, 9 TDs

    These are his numbers in  2012: 11 games, 63 recepts, 10.6 ypc, 3 TDs

    These are his current 2013 stats: 10 games, 51 recepts, 11.4 ypc, 2 TDs

    Perfectly in line with what he's done throughout his career. He is exactly who they thought he was, unless they expected him to morph into Randy Moss? I tend to doubt that.

    Back to the money, I posted his contract above. His cap number this year is $3.5 mil, $4.7 mil next year, $5.7 in the 2015 season, before which he'll probably get restructured or released because that's how the contract is set up. That's pretty affordable and he is not overpaid.

    By contrast, Welker was $4.1 mil this year and jumps to $8 mil next year. His was essentially a one year contract, they aren't paying him $8 mil.

    Whether the Pats resign Edelman or not won't be because of DA's contract, it's not a bad contract at all. If you want to talk about a bad contract, look at someone like Mankins. Or how about Miles Austin, his cap hit next year is $8.2 mil and it will cost them over $7 mil in dead money if they release him. 

    Come on Wozzy, you know better then this.  So you are saying the Pats expected Amendola to come in and put up the same numbers he did with the Rams and pay him a $6 million signing bonus and $4 million in guaranteed base salaries over the first two years?   I am not buying that.  That's like saying they expected him to get hurt, miss some games and put up same stats he did with the Rams? You don't pay someone the kind of money the Pats did and expect those numbers.  If so then BB has some serious explaining to do.

     




    You do expect the same numbers if you live in the real world and consider there will be a thing called a learning curve. Unless of course all you do is run go routes like Moss did. On top of that you also should consider the increased number of targets TB has this year. He went from 4 targets last year to 8 this year.

    See, that is the problem with stats without context, they are usually just lies clothed in legitimacy.

     
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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

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    There is no way Welker gets released.  If he does, that would mean Belichick made the right decision and 80% of the board was wrong.  That just can't be possible, can it? 

     



    LOL!

     

    It also looks like BB was right again in not only walking from Welkie, but putting Welkie money into TWO players for the same money as the one with Welkie.

    Denver structured his deal like that due to cap issues, so if they do cut Welkie, they're in more trouble next year with Gomie at 38.



    Welker/Edelman > Amendola/Edelman

    Once again you are an idiot.

     



    Welker is not playing and will be 33 next year, so why on earth would we want that over Amendola right now???

    Who is the idiot?  lmao

    Plus, the binky addiction that Welker provided ended up destroying some of Brady's QB skills.




    Team would have been better this year with Welker and not Amendola.  If you don't see that then get your head out of the sand on BB beach, toss those rose colored glasses away and pour the koolaid down the drain.  As of now the Pats are 10-4, could lose the #2 seed and has a chance of being knocked completely out of the playoffs.  Welker helped the team get to two SB's, can Amendola do that?  Probably not this season.

    Who is the idiot now!




    Sorry but you are wrong, Amendola is much better on this team than Welker could possibly have been. Welker helped the Pats lose two Superbowls. Amendola still has the chance to win some superbowls. Welker is probably out for the rest of the season but Amendola can still make plays.

    So who's the idiot?

     
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    Re: good bye Julian, hello Wes??

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    If Amendola has a strong finish this year and has a great postseason, you will be gone from this board from pure embarrassment.

    Edelman and Amendola have already proven to be more clutch in the games they've played in this year than Welker ever was here.

    Far fewer drops, much more difficult receptions made.

    Also, their production has come even if against some tougher defenses, too. Welker was only good or great vs zone or crap defenses.

    Kinda funny what happens when you look at facts and reality, huh?lol




    If Amendola has a strong finish... No, it would take some good production with some playoff wins do redeem his lack of play this season.  He showed up for what.. 2 games?  But then dropped the game winner.  Damn him! 

    Facts?  Facts that Amendola has had no where near a season that Welker has had in NE during his 6 season.  Fact that the lack of production/injury caused the Pats to lose AT LEAST 2 games, possibly 3.  The Pats could be the #1 seed with a buy and SB going through NE.  Those are the facts!!  Hahaha! Owned!

     

     
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