Good Summary/Offseason Moves

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    A C+ is a bull grade. That's means like average. 

    This guy obviously thinks the losses of Spikes and Blount are huge which doesn't make sense. Ridley is a great back who gave us 1200 in '12. Jamie Collins is ready to make a jump I believe but if not we have signed a very solid vet in Anderson. But anyway, Hightower will be the one replacing Spikes. 

     

    The Patriots did not lose anything. They replaced a injury prone Talib who missed the biggest game of the last two seasons with a Top CB in Revis. 

    Also, getting BBrowner is a huge addition not even replacing a loss. He is just icing on the cake. A big azz tough CB who will be able to push into and play TE's. 

    then the Pats also got LaFell who as a 3rd option in a very conservative offense was pretty good. I love this signing and think he will be big for the Patriots this season.

    onto of all of that, the draft was great in filling needs. Dominque Easley brings a different kind of presence to the interior D that we haven't seen before as he's a penetrator. James White was a very productive back in college and could be a nice like producer for us. Then add to that all of the OL depth acquired. All of them big bodied guys showing a change in philosophy which could mean big things for Ridley down the road. 

    Onto top of all of this, this team's core is still insanely young. DMC, Jones, Collins, Hightower, Dennard, all the WRs, Gronk and the Rbs. All just entering their prime or not even hit it. 

    Then we also will be getting back Stud Mayo, Kelly, Wilfork, Gronk, Vollmer. 

    Add to that we know the WRs will all be better with another year under the belt with Nrady. 

    Theres no way you give this offseason less than an A- but I give it an A. The additions far outweigh losses. 

     
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    Re: Good Summary/Offseason Moves

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    that being said, I think most are underestimating Anderson. I think he contributes a lot




    I think many are anointing Collins the starter a bit too early as well.  Don't get me wrong--I'm very high on Collins and hope he will be the starter, but I also realize he only started a few games last season and we haven't seen him play the position on a regular basis, game in and game out.  

    Anderson has extensive experience as a starter.  My gut tells me he and Collins will be sharing snaps for a while and either one could end up being the main guy by season's end.  

     

     
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    Rkarp, what have you seen or heard that makes you think LaFell is a bubble guy? I personally haven't read anything on his progression in OTAs, maybe I'm missing something. 

    I think LaFell is a lock to make this roster because of his ability to block and the money we gave him. 

    I think that LaFell and Thompkins could both make the roster. 

    Dobson, Edelman, Amendola, Boyce, Thompkins and LaFell would be my WRs making it. And Slater but he's a ST. 

    I just don't see how LaFell could be cut is all. I think he can add alot to this team.. 

     

    But I do agree that Anderson will play a big role. He was Chicago's best Lb last season and is huge because now Collins doesn't have to be thrust into a starting role so soon. 

     
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    At the end of the season and into the playoffs Collins was at times the best player on the field.  


    After a full rookie season and hopefully a full off-season this kid should be on the field as much as possible.  He's going to be a nightmare for opposing offenses.  I envision him being all over the place and a major pain in the azz to the other team.   You don't want a guy like that sitting on the bench.

     
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    Rkarp, what have you seen or heard that makes you think LaFell is a bubble guy? I personally haven't read anything on his progression in OTAs, maybe I'm missing something. 

    I think LaFell is a lock to make this roster because of his ability to block and the money we gave him. 

    I think that LaFell and Thompkins could both make the roster. 

    Dobson, Edelman, Amendola, Boyce, Thompkins and LaFell would be my WRs making it. And Slater but he's a ST. 

    I just don't see how LaFell could be cut is all. I think he can add alot to this team.. 

     

    But I do agree that Anderson will play a big role. He was Chicago's best Lb last season and is huge because now Collins doesn't have to be thrust into a starting role so soon. 




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    At the end of the season and into the playoffs Collins was at times the best player on the field.  

     

    After a full rookie season and hopefully a full off-season this kid should be on the field as much as possible.  He's going to be a nightmare for opposing offenses.  I envision him being all over the place and a major pain in the azz to the other team.   You don't want a guy like that sitting on the bench.




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    Yes, Collins played out of his mind when he started figuring out the defense. If Mayo, Hightower,  Collins and Anderson all stay healthy I would think we are looking at a dominating group. I hope to see a lot of pressure from the Lbers, something we haven't seen much since Bruschi and Vrabel left.

    As far as the offseason grades go, well I don't see how it's anything less then an A. Shoot just a return to health of Gronk, VW, Kelly, Volmer, and Mayo would be an A! Talib, Browner, Lafelle, Will Smith and signing Edelman is a huge bonus to an already rich in talent roster! 

    Going to be another great team this year! How lucky we are!

     

     
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    In response to joepatsfan111111's comment:

    Rkarp, what have you seen or heard that makes you think LaFell is a bubble guy? I personally haven't read anything on his progression in OTAs, maybe I'm missing something. 

    I think LaFell is a lock to make this roster because of his ability to block and the money we gave him. 

    I think that LaFell and Thompkins could both make the roster. 

    Dobson, Edelman, Amendola, Boyce, Thompkins and LaFell would be my WRs making it. And Slater but he's a ST. 

    I just don't see how LaFell could be cut is all. I think he can add alot to this team.. 

     

    But I do agree that Anderson will play a big role. He was Chicago's best Lb last season and is huge because now Collins doesn't have to be thrust into a starting role so soon. 




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    If they carry 5 backs (Devlin, Vereen, Ridley, White, either Houston or Bolden), 3 QB's, and 9-10 OL then they have to make a cut somewhere. Carrying 7 WR's might be too rich for roster spots.

    Boyce, Dobson, Amendola, Slater, and Edelman are almost sure to make it. That leaves Gallon, Thompkins, and LaFell. LaFell isn't something esp great. He's  #3/4 at best and this team is loaded with those types right now. Unless he gets an instant connection with Brady I could easily envision Thompkins or Gallon (kick returns or fear he wouldn't make it to PS) beating him out. 

     
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    Let's take this piece by piece.  


    QB - set


    RB - Although the loss of Blount kinda hurt White fills the void.  Ridley is in a contract year and will have to show he can hold on to the ball whether he signs with the Pats or goes elsewhere.


    TE - Came a little empty here.  Williams intrigues.  But little was done to fill such a key spot.  Thumbs down.


    OL - The Pats went out and got some OL in the draft.  Vollmer comes back.  I don't see how this isn't an improvement.


    WR - Sophomore year will say it all.  All three WRs from last year got playing time which was great.  Why some think LaFell is on the bubble is a mystery to me.  Should be seen as an improvement by just experienced gained.


    DT - Wilfork and Kelly are back.  Jones showed us something last year and picked up Easley.  Not a bad rotation.


    DE - Picking up Smith is huge.  


    LB - Very good LB corp


    CB - Revis.  Enough said.  Dennard and Ryan.  Revis makes this a very good backfield.


    S - My thinking has been Browner playing beside McCourty.  Has Chung learned anything?  Obviously brought in bodies to compete.  Should improve by the shear numbers competing for that one spot.


    Of course this depends upon staying healthy during the season but the Pats did improve at every spot but TE.  They have some very nice rotations in place.  C+ is garbage.  I expect Talib and Ware to be on the IR like they usually are at the end of the season.


     

     
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    I would think two things are certain...one, that Collins will be a starter (and be one of the best players on the team...and two, that Lafell will be given every opportunity to succeed here (weather he does or not I don't know, but I think he will get plenty of chances).

     
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    I would have to think Collins would start as well.  He brings that something to the table that the Pats just don't have.  He can cover and blitz.  He's the wildcard on the defense as I see it.  

     
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    For starters, who gives a rodent's rectum what any media D_Bag thinks?


    Secondly, the Pats had a very good team at season's end last year and improved it this year in free agency, return of injured key players and the draft.  The maturation of the WR corps should also help.  How much improved will be demonstrated on the field.


    As an aside, I have been and remain skeptical of the notion that Browner will play much safety.  In certain sets he may but he is a CB who covers bigger receivers and TEs and that's where he will take the overwhelming majority of snaps IMO.

     
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    I think c+ is a low grade simply because of Revis...this guy is a remarkable player...whereas Talib was a guy who you knew was going to get hurt. How was it watching that Carolina game last year when he got roasted by Smith and acted like a fool throughout that game? I didn't like having to hear Smith say "ice up" when referring to Talib after that game...I didn't like seeing a garden gnome (Welker) be able to easily take him out of the biggest game of the year either. Never mind what happened to him the previous year. It seems as if Talob is able to play great in September and October, before tweaking something and struggling the rest of the way...we can do without that crap.

    I liked reading how the author feels about White, personally I'd love to see him be our every down back, but even Belichick said he saw him in more of a Vareen, third down type roll. Too me the kid looks like he can do more than that, and with the way Ridley fumbles...I hope so.

    The real key is our injured players (especially Gronk) and development of our young receivers, if everything works out in that department we will be winning the Super Bowl this season. No doubt in my mind.

     
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    In response to garytx's comment:

    S - My thinking has been Browner playing beside McCourty.  Has Chung learned anything?  Obviously brought in bodies to compete.  Should improve by the shear numbers competing for that one spot.


    A lot of posters seem to think Browner will compete for the SS job.  This ignores a couple of factors:

    1. I can't think of a single cornerback who has transitioned to strong safety successfully.  Ever.  Many have made the switch to free safety (Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson most famously, McCourty and Jairus Byrd most recently), but strong safety is an entirely different animal.

    2. Playing Browner at safety takes away his number 1 attribute as a corner: namely, jamming receivers at the line so they can't get a clean break.

    Right now I think Browner is in a competition with Dennard for the second cornerback job; Harmon has the inside track at strong safety.

     
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    S - My thinking has been Browner playing beside McCourty.  Has Chung learned anything?  Obviously brought in bodies to compete.  Should improve by the shear numbers competing for that one spot.


    A lot of posters seem to think Browner will compete for the SS job.  This ignores a couple of factors:

    1. I can't think of a single cornerback who has transitioned to strong safety successfully.  Ever.  Many have made the switch to free safety (Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson most famously, McCourty and Jairus Byrd most recently), but strong safety is an entirely different animal.

    2. Playing Browner at safety takes away his number 1 attribute as a corner: namely, jamming receivers at the line so they can't get a clean break.

    Right now I think Browner is in a competition with Dennard for the second cornerback job; Harmon has the inside track at strong safety.



    I agree with what you're saying regarding  Browner moving to SS, but I have to think someone has made that transition successfully.

     
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    S - My thinking has been Browner playing beside McCourty.  Has Chung learned anything?  Obviously brought in bodies to compete.  Should improve by the shear numbers competing for that one spot.


    A lot of posters seem to think Browner will compete for the SS job.  This ignores a couple of factors:

    1. I can't think of a single cornerback who has transitioned to strong safety successfully.  Ever.  Many have made the switch to free safety (Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson most famously, McCourty and Jairus Byrd most recently), but strong safety is an entirely different animal.

    2. Playing Browner at safety takes away his number 1 attribute as a corner: namely, jamming receivers at the line so they can't get a clean break.

    Right now I think Browner is in a competition with Dennard for the second cornerback job; Harmon has the inside track at strong safety.




    My stated view, since the subject was first raised in this forum, is that Browner is and will remain a corner.

     
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    The grade by reporters means nothing.  As a fan of the Pats, and a proponent of them building the defense...I'm ecstatic. Denver too has improved it's defense.  The Pats already started with a better base, and in my opinion has built their defense in a more beneficial way. Good thing because we know Denver has a better offense.  It's cliche, but what wins?  O or D? 

    The Pats have said Browner is a CB 'nuff said.  They will rely on the CB's and DL, which also is much improved.

    The strong CB's and DL are what SB champs Seattle relied on. 

     
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    Losses vs. their replacements. Spikes vs. Anderson and Hightower, win for the Patriots. Talib Vs. Revis, do I even need to grade this exchange? Patriots improve vastly. Blount Vs. White, Bolden or Houston, Blount had a very good season in NE, but Bolden had the same job the year before. push. A. Carter vs. Smith advantage Smith. Fletcher vs. Huff both are good b/u's but Huff is a S/T demon. Any body who loses their job because  of the FA signing of Browner advantage Patriots. Easley in replacement of of any of the guys who are cut clearly an upgrade for the Patriots. This offseason was definitely grades out a lot higher than a C-, my guess would be closer to an A- .

     
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    A young team gains experience. They have lots of upside. If they realize it, good things will happen. Denver is good but they can be beat. Good health is always key.

     
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    Re: Good Summary/Offseason Moves

    In response to Salcon's comment:

    At the end of the season and into the playoffs Collins was at times the best player on the field.  

     

    After a full rookie season and hopefully a full off-season this kid should be on the field as much as possible.  He's going to be a nightmare for opposing offenses.  I envision him being all over the place and a major pain in the azz to the other team.   You don't want a guy like that sitting on the bench.




    Agreed, if he cant beat out Anderson....thats a bad thing...and Chicago had THEE worst run D last year in the league...so saying Anderson was their best aint saying much.

     
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    In response to digger0862's comment:

    A young team gains experience. They have lots of upside. If they realize it, good things will happen. Denver is good but they can be beat. Good health is always key.



    Denver's d may be worse with such a lack of continuity.  If talib goes down, they are cooked.




    You mean the same way we were cooked the last 2 years when he went out as a pat?  I think Denver is better prepared to take that loss with guys like Ware, Miller getting after the passer and a legit SS. They also have more continuity on O but I like our team. Just curious where you come up with these off the wall predictions and how you can laugh at something that has happened to us twice before its even happened once to the team in question?!?   you are one off the wall dude....

     
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