good time to appreciate draft brilliance

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    good time to appreciate draft brilliance

    2009.  VOLLMER, EDELMAN, Chung, brace , Pryor.

     

    2010. MCCOURTY, GRONK, SPIKES, HERNANDEZ, CUNNINGHAM, MESKO, Deaderick

     

    2011.  SOLDER, RIDLEY, VEREEN, cannon, mallett.

     

    2012.  JONES,HIGHTOWER,DENNARD, WILSON., Ebner, bequette.

     

    Unbelievable how the young talent on this team has emerged this year.  Spikes and Cunningham especially have made that '10 class just SICK...!  And  vereen and Ridley rising  stock for '11, while '12 could surpass by way of games started rookie year....  NICE.

    Almost forgot edelman finding another gear and giving '09 respectability...

     

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    Re: good time to appreciate draft brilliance

    My comment is AMEN! When you have as many draft picks as BB has had(due to his unique ability to negotiate 1 sided trades) you will have misses(as does every team) but when you look at talent at each position you have to be amazed. Well, unless for some reason you think:

    Mayo is not that good, or

    DMC sux, or

    our LB core is weak or

    my personal favorite.... "The Pats can't win with this O-line" HAHAHA or

    "The Pats can't win the elusive 4rth Lombardi because of draft picks like Tavon Wilson"  btw he is 3rd in the LG with 4 INT's.. or

    "The defense is terrible" even though they lead the entire league in turnovers, even though they have 9 more forced fumbles then the amazing turnover animals the Chicago bears, or

    even though they are 2nd in the LG in defensive TD's.

    Anyway I say YES, it is a great time to appreciate "DRAFT BRILLIANCE" and not only that but team building brilliance by the best GM in the free agency era.

    Great thread.

     
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    In response to coolade2's comment:

    2009.  VOLLMER, EDELMAN, Chung, brace , Pryor.

     

    2010. MCCOURTY, GRONK, SPIKES, HERNANDEZ, CUNNINGHAM, MESKO, Deaderick

     

    2011.  SOLDER, RIDLEY, VEREEN, cannon, mallett.

     

    2012.  JONES,HIGHTOWER,DENNARD, WILSON., Ebner, bequette.

     

    Unbelievable how the young talent on this team has emerged this year.  Spikes and Cunningham especially have made that '10 class just SICK...!  And  vereen and Ridley rising  stock for '11, while '12 could surpass by way of games started rookie year....  NICE.

    Almost forgot edelman finding another gear and giving '09 respectability...

     

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    Since Pioli left they seem to have made some better decisions in the draft. To be fair they have been worse at identifying free agents who can contribute since he has left.



    Definitely a shorter list for free agents...  Waters, , Cole, Anderson, carter, come to mind. 

     
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    In response to Neal Page's comment:

    Pioli has nothing to do with it. Pioli's job here, like Caserio;s now is more administrative.

    What happened was, Dimitrioff left in 2008. That was their lead scout. Huge loss as we know see in Atlanta. Also, Jeremy Licht, who just interviewed for the Bears job, left for Philly. Another loss.

    Also, they haven't been worse whatsoever in getting FAs in here at all. Mark Anderson, Waters, Andre Carter, Nick McDonald, Arrington, Ninkovich,Woodhead, Dan Connolloy, Gregory, etc. You can add in smaller contributors like Marquice Cole this year or even a Tracey White who is a very solid STs guy. Or, Niko Koukovides. Fact is, BB went draft heavy on this ingenius rebuild on the fly approach, specifically to avoid another Adalius Thomas type situation.

    I advised this is what he was doing back in 2009 mostly because of the pending lockout and its unknowns and the fact he had to pay Brady, Mankins, Mayo, Wilfork, etc, etc, etc.  So, it needed to be like that for this to work longterm with a cap that relly doesn't jump until 2015. That's 2 more full seasons from now!  BB is a genius.

    His UDFA acquisitions have been stellar of late as well.  Kyle Love and Dane Flecther come to mind immediately.

    Then, you add in Pioli in 2009 and it probably affected the 2009 draft a bit. 2009s draft I like to call the good, but injury prone draft. Edelman came in Rd 7, too. Lots of contributions and talent, it's just almost comical how dinged up those players all get.

    Lastly, this topic has been brought up a lot lately with many of the Brady Ballwashers never admitting they have been wrong this whole time.

    BB's yields from 2010-2012 have been outstanding, arguably the most impressive of his career, but you'd never know that listening to Babe, Hurlie, etc, all mock BB on an almost daily basis here. That's the probolem. A very few, small vocal minority on these internet boards who aren't very bright, seem to repeat the media rhetoric so people believe it. BUt, when you get the facts and then look around the league, the truth is obvious.

    BB bringing Caserio along, him staying here, and the veteran Floyd Reese hammering out the contracts, has completely provided BB with a structurally sound front office since late 2009/early 2010.

     



    I think it's funny when you write how a few of us "mock" Bill Belichick. Do you really think we do that? I mean you are the worst when it comes to that stuff. First off Bill doesn't read this board, for that I am sure. Even if Bill invited you and your blow up doll over for Thanksgiving, he still wouldn't want to listen to your stupidity or mine or anyone else. Yet you still run around here like you are his personal body guard while slamming him for not running BJGE more or for letting Brady "influence decisions on personel".

    The defense has been at or near the bottom of league for five years, we've been trying to inform you that it's not very good (you don't get it). Belichick spends almost his entire draft adding defensive players, then he goes out and trades for a corner that is probably a parking ticket away from going to prison...think he did that because the defense is good? You probably do, correct Rusto? My God! You sure you have a 150 IQ?? Sure about that? Positive? LMAO!

     
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    Re: good time to appreciate draft brilliance

    Ever since Hobbs left we have had lousy kick returners. I'd like to find somebody talented at that and maybe hunt for a more consistent field goal kicker

     
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    Re: good time to appreciate draft brilliance

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    Ever since Hobbs left we have had lousy kick returners. I'd like to find somebody talented at that and maybe hunt for a more consistent field goal kicker




    Demps would of been a return star.

     
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    In response to Neal Page's comment:

    Your problem is, you didn't know BB was in fact rebuilding this team because you're dumb or you have an agenda. It's one or the other or both.  This is your problem just like it has been Tony Mazz's because if you grant the respect of the greatest coach and GM ever to commit to a structired and focused rebuild, that means you can't mock or bash him, so this is why you don't admit this.

    You wanted to snap your fingers and have BB replace all those great players on D here overnight, because your're a child and have the brain development of one.

    Yes, of course you mock BB constantly, bashing what he does. It's what you do.  You whack off to your Brady dolls and think this game is a video game.

    You're also quick to judge anything on the D to suit your anti-BB agenda. Babe just RECENTLY here admitted BB is a better GM than his agenda and that voice in his head told him he was because he finally realized how stupid he looked. He gets SOME credit for at least admitting he was a moron until recetly, but you're pretty much worse at this point.

    I don't know too many teams who are rebuilding on the fly and feature dominance at the same time.

    NE was IN THE SB LAST YEAR and lost it due to Tom Brady mental breakdowns which helped the Giants.  Truth hurts. That has NOTHING to do with the defense.

    The GB Packers just won a SB in 2010 and had a low ranked D. They were dead last in 2011 but it was only for yardage allowed.

    Our D was not last or near the bottom in 2010, 2011 or even this year. You're simply never going to get it because you think it's 2004.

    Your Brady blow up doll is well oiled as it sits on your lap in front of that computer, you're fantasy rosters are set and that video game controller reminds warm for you in that basement.

    LMAO



     
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    In response to Neal Page's comment:

    Your problem is, you didn't know BB was in fact rebuilding this team because you're dumb or you have an agenda. It's one or the other or both.  This is your problem just like it has been Tony Mazz's because if you grant the respect of the greatest coach and GM ever to commit to a structired and focused rebuild, that means you can't mock or bash him, so this is why you don't admit this.

    You wanted to snap your fingers and have BB replace all those great players on D here overnight, because your're a child and have the brain development of one.

    Yes, of course you mock BB constantly, bashing what he does. It's what you do.  You whack off to your Brady dolls and think this game is a video game.

    You're also quick to judge anything on the D to suit your anti-BB agenda. Babe just RECENTLY here admitted BB is a better GM than his agenda and that voice in his head told him he was because he finally realized how stupid he looked. He gets SOME credit for at least admitting he was a moron until recetly, but you're pretty much worse at this point.

    I don't know too many teams who are rebuilding on the fly and feature dominance at the same time.

    NE was IN THE SB LAST YEAR and lost it due to Tom Brady mental breakdowns which helped the Giants.  Truth hurts. That has NOTHING to do with the defense.

    The GB Packers just won a SB in 2010 and had a low ranked D. They were dead last in 2011 but it was only for yardage allowed.

    Our D was not last or near the bottom in 2010, 2011 or even this year. You're simply never going to get it because you think it's 2004.

    Your Brady blow up doll is well oiled as it sits on your lap in front of that computer, you're fantasy rosters are set and that video game controller reminds warm for you in that basement.

    LMAO



     
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    Re: good time to appreciate draft brilliance

    In response to Neal Page's comment:

     

    Your Brady blow up doll is well oiled as it sits on your lap in front of that computer, you're fantasy rosters are set and that video game controller reminds warm for you in that basement.

    LMAO




     

    LMAO@U and your Alex Smith blowup doll junior.

     
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    Re: good time to appreciate draft brilliance

    Yes only brilliant drafting with 12 of 16 - first or second round picks spent on D since 2008 could give us a D that makes the average QB look like a....

     

    93 QBR, 32 TDs and 4,629 yards kind of guy.

     

    LMAO. Learn the game.

     
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    Yes only brilliant drafting with 12 of 16 - first or second round picks spent on D since 2008 could give us a D that makes the average QB look like a....

     

    93 QBR, 32 TDs and 4,629 yards kind of guy.

     

    LMAO. Learn the game.



    Babe, don't you get it? We win in SPITE of Brady...Rusty taught me this.

     
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    Re: good time to appreciate draft brilliance

    The proof is on the field. We idiot homers have been saying this for years. You don't win more games than any other team in the entire NFL the last decade or so without good players. You don't make it to the Super Bowl and come a play or two from winning it with a bad defense. Learn the game.

     
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    The proof is on the field. We idiot homers have been saying this for years. You don't win more games than any other team in the entire NFL the last decade or so without good players. You don't make it to the Super Bowl and come a play or two from winning it with a bad defense. Learn the game.




    Well said.

     
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    Yes only brilliant drafting with 12 of 16 - first or second round picks spent on D since 2008 could give us a D that makes the average QB look like a....

     

    93 QBR, 32 TDs and 4,629 yards kind of guy.

     

    LMAO. Learn the game.



    Babe, don't you get it? We win in SPITE of Brady...Rusty taught me this.




    No No No, you are correct. We win in spite of scrub players like McCourty,Spikes,Mayo,Love,Nink, Dennard,.....oh and also the offensive line that you said Brady wouldn't make it through the year with.

    No offense big guy but I'll take anybody else's view point over yours. Because yours really sux for a guy who is supposed to be a Patriots fan.

    I can picture you and Babe in 10 years at a bar sucking down 7n7's talking about how bad a GM BB was and how Brady made him.....while the rest of the football world is celebrating him as he is enshrined in the HOF. Put a picture of him in Canton right up next to his game plan's for limiting Jim kelly's Bills and Kurt warners Rams in 2 different SB's .

    Oh that's right, you guys think he is a great coach, just a bad GM.

    Good one.

     
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    Re: good time to appreciate draft brilliance

    The D still has a ways to go but if we are seeing a transition with the increase in blitzing good atheletes (Mayo, Spikes, Hightower, Nink), the solid safety play of McCourty and the additionof Talib and the aggressive play of Dennard then the case will be that much more easily made.

    I think we have a solid front seven including a great DE (Jones), a HOF NT/DT (Wilfork), three really good (or better) LBs (Mayo, Spikes, Hightower) and solid players like Nink and now Cunningham(!). McCourty and Gregory seem to make a good pair at safety (and I think Wilson will earn his time). Chung could be an excellent player but he will have to prove it to get on the field. Talib and Dennard look sound enough SO FAR.

    So as the team plays more well rounded the list of good draft choices will be harder to refute. Many on the O line. Vereen and Ridley. THe TEs. The DL. The LBs. The secondary. It will all look pretty good. The negative voices will be whitled down to Babe and Jets fans and the occasional nay sayer. BUT ONLY IF THE D continues to solidfy.

     

     
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    Re: good time to appreciate draft brilliance

    In response to TrueChamp's comment:

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    Yes only brilliant drafting with 12 of 16 - first or second round picks spent on D since 2008 could give us a D that makes the average QB look like a....

     

    93 QBR, 32 TDs and 4,629 yards kind of guy.

     

    LMAO. Learn the game.



    Babe, don't you get it? We win in SPITE of Brady...Rusty taught me this.




    No No No, you are correct. We win in spite of scrub players like McCourty,Spikes,Mayo,Love,Nink, Dennard,.....oh and also the offensive line that you said Brady wouldn't make it through the year with.

    No offense big guy but I'll take anybody else's view point over yours. Because yours really sux for a guy who is supposed to be a Patriots fan.

    I can picture you and Babe in 10 years at a bar sucking down 7n7's talking about how bad a GM BB was and how Brady made him.....while the rest of the football world is celebrating him as he is enshrined in the HOF. Put a picture of him in Canton right up next to his game plan's for limiting Jim kelly's Bills and Kurt warners Rams in 2 different SB's .

    Oh that's right, you guys think he is a great coach, just a bad GM.

    Good one.



    Correct. BB won't be going to Canton for his GM work.

     

     
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    Re: good time to appreciate draft brilliance

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    The proof is on the field. We idiot homers have been saying this for years. You don't win more games than any other team in the entire NFL the last decade or so without good players. You don't make it to the Super Bowl and come a play or two from winning it with a bad defense. Learn the game.




    Right. It's called the Brady effect.

    How do you think the jets, fish or bills would have done the last decade or so with Brady? And how many wins less do you think we would have had with their awesome QBs? Without Brady BB has been a .500 coach for the Pats.

     
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