Goodell is really naive!

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    Yeah, Goodell, the commish of the most powerful sports league in the world is naive and all the people on the a message board are brilliant.  That makes sense.

    Goodell likely let this go and didn't bring it back up b/c it is horrible press for the league.  Having a 3 time Super Bowl champion coach/team being implicated for cheating is not something that the league really wants to keep in the headlines.  I don't think David Stern goes out of his way to mention Tim Donaghy.

     
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    Here is what this whole, sad, episode comes down to:

    The league caught the Patriots FILMING from an ILLEGAL location.  The league could not show or prove the film had any legitimate use in game planning or having aided the Patriots in winning games.  So, to stave off the detractors, like the UD6's of the world who believe the Pats cheated with film, they destroyed all the tapes.  The Pats have since destroyed many teams along the way and shoving it in everyone's faces going 18 - 0 in the same season before the SB loss.  ( one would think of ALL games to lose, if the Pats were cheating, they'd lose the SB after going 18 - 0??!! )  This episode is nothing but an excuse machine for fans who do not like the Patriots as we continue to see the "cheating" word thrown about almost 4 years later! 

     
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    His statement about BB back in 2007 suggest he really does not understand the media at all. If you read the excerpt from the article he was upset that BB did not talk to the media after the fact and explain his side of the story. BB rightly so, issued a statement publically taking full responsibility for the incident. What good would it have done to try to explain to the media what happen. They would have just twisted his words to fit what ever agenda they wanted. Remember he had a football team to coach and that team had to get ready to play every week and he certainy did not want the distraction from this to go on and on. He learned very quickly when he was the coach in Cleveland never to trust the media, as they will skin you alive.  Goodell didn't make friends in New England in 2007 when he fined Patriots coach Bill Belichick $500,000 and the team $250,000 and docked the Pats a first-round draft pick for secretly videotaping an opposing team's coaching signals. Owner Robert Kraft thought the penalty too severe. Goodell told Kraft that, as part of the disciplinary action, Belichick would have to make a verbal apology in front of the press that week. Instead the coach issued a printed statement and refused to answer any questions on the topic. "I was given assurances that [Belichick] would tell his side of the story," Goodell says. "He went out and stonewalled the press. I feel like I was deceived." Belichick responds, "I did not make any assurances about thoroughly discussing the subject publicly. I said I would address it following the league's review. I then did that in a way I thought was appropriate. I don't think that was deceptive."
    Posted by fourjays30


         Goodell isn't "naive", as some have previously thought. His latest criticism of BB showed that he was clearly biased against Belicheck and the Pats, when he imposed an unprecedented fine on BB and the team...and docked them a first round pick. 

         Bob Kraft, BB, and Patriots' Nation should never forget what Goodell did to injure the franchise. Should an opportunity come up where Kraft has a chance to convince the other owners to can Goodell, he should jump on it with both feet. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Goodell is really naive! : There are very few constants left in the world that can be depended on but you being a needle dicked turd is one of them.
    Posted by Evil2010




    Hey Evil!

    EXCELLENT POST !!!!!
     
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    I don't have to guarantee anything. The reality is, the player went out of bounds and he and Wendell made contact inside the sub box. Like I said, this probably happens once a game during NFL games every week. Carolina also was involved in a play like this, which was far more egregious and was not fined, likely because the players were ACTIVE and sub players. Hence, no fine for Carolina. The Jets, as usual, took something to another level because they are completely obnoxious, arrogant and desperate. You're just an idiot who hasn't come to terms with it yet. Good luck.
    Posted by BBReigns

    What a ridiculous statement. 

    First of all, the player in question (Wendell you say) actually stepped into the player intentionally to hit him.  Its indisputable per the video.  Further, Wendell to do so had to step into the white painted area which is off limits to all players and coaches on the sideline per the NFL statement I posted earlier. 

    Second, Wendell was not a sub or going in on the immediate play as the rule notes.  Wendell did not even play in the game.  Thus, there was only one purpose for him to be there and that is as a "piece of the wall". 

    Who does it, is meaningless to the infraction.  That it was done, that it was intentional, that the individual involved had to make a concerted effort to impede the player all are exactly the same in both the case of the Jets and the Pats. 

    Ultimately, the point is that there is an invalid perception on this board that the world and Goodell have it in for the New England Patriots.  The fact that the pats were not punished for this infraction that was publicized within 30 days of another team being punished for it demonstrates that there is no real bias against the pats. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Goodell is really naive! : The truth is that crowding the line is probably something every team does or   gunners would routinely take advantage of the fact that they have free reign to operate in enemy territory.  It only became an issue when an idiot Jets coach chose to trip a player.  And the first thing the Jets do is call out NE and scapegoat the idiot coach.  Admit it, you know every other team pushes the letter of the law but they don't get called out because they don't trip the gunner.  After the fact all of the trolls and homers from every other NFL team call for the Pats to get fined without admitting that they would expect their team to "toe the line" or call them negligent in doing everything they could to win short of cheating.     People routinely drive faster than the speed limit.  This situation is akin to a speeder getting caught while going 100 mph and then saying "but the guy in the car with Massachusetts plates was speeding too" when in reality that guy was going 66 mph in a 65 zone.  The most egregious offense gets caught, and everyone else skates.  Same deal here.  It was an accepted or overlooked practice till the idiot Jets coach made a blatant attempt to hurt an opposing team's player.  And then the ST coach says "the Pats do it too".  Pathetic. So that's why the Pats or anyone else weren't punished, not that Goodell wouldn't have liked to stick it to NE if he had a leg to stand on.       
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn


    What a typical response - "everyone does it".  really?  prove it.  This is the same response that came from spygate.  Quit, trying to minimize the fact that the pats are happily willing to operate outside the rules when and where they can in order to gain an advantage. 

    Their rule is:  If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin, and it all comes from Belichick.
     
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    Do you just make sh*t up in order to continue an argument? 

    Tell you what, skippy (you like that name), go to the pats website and see whether or not Wendell played in the game at the Jets this year?

    Now read this again:  NFL statement:  only coaches and a small amount of situation substitution players immediately ready to be sent into the game are allowed within the "second border".

    Wendell did not play in that game, wasn't going in after the punt, and thus had no business being where he was on the sidelines per the rule. 

    So why was he there?  Logically, because he was instructed to be a part of a wall of players being used to impede the progress of the gunner should the gunner go out of bounds.  Since the gunner did not go far enough out of bounds, Wendell (either of his own volition or per instruction) stepped into the painted sideline area (off limits to all players not in the game) to hit/trip the gunner. 

    The act is no different than what the jets did, and I'll finish with this.  There are some on this board who could care less about the wall.  All, however, were in agreement that alosi should have been punished because he could have seriously hurt the gunner by sticking his leg out.  The patriot player committed the same intentional act, yet no punishment.  

    Maybe I am wrong about the NFL and Bias regarding the pats.  Maybe the NFL actually is biased in favor of the pats.
     
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    My question to Goodell, if I had the chance to ask him one question, would be:

    Say that next Sunday in Dallas, either Green Bay or Pittsburgh has a guy either on the sidelines, in the coaches box, or in the press box, and that guy has a pair of binoculars glued to his face, and said binoculars are trained squarely on the coaches on the opponent's sidelines. Then say that this same guy is then observed making cryptic notes with a pencil that read, "first and 10, 4:17 left, first quarter, ball on their 24...left palm to left cheek, two fingers on left hand brushed across chest, fist pump with right hand down by right hip--ball snapped, 4-man rush, 2-deep zone."

    Now obviously, Mr. Commissioner, this guy isn't taking notes for a biology exam the following morning. He's clearly trying to decipher the opponent's signals to give his team an advantage during the playing of a game.

    Given that we know from Matt Walsh's testimony that the Patriots most definitely were not using their tapes during the playing of the games on the day they were made, what, then, is the penalty that will be assessed to this theoretical Pittsburgh or Green Bay employee who was actually stealing signals for use during the playing of a game?

    Does the NFL frown only on signal stealing with electronic equipment, or does it frown on all signal stealing (?), which we know still goes on every Sunday in every one of your stadiums, Mr. Commissioner.

    Please elaborate and try not to make yourself look like too much of a foolish hypocrite (not that you haven't done that already).
     
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    In Response to Re: Goodell is really naive! : What a typical response - "everyone does it".  really?  prove it.  This is the same response that came from spygate.  Quit, trying to minimize the fact that the pats are happily willing to operate outside the rules when and where they can in order to gain an advantage.  Their rule is:  If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin, and it all comes from Belichick.
    Posted by UD6


    Shouldn't you be on a Dolts Forum wondering who your QB will be next year and OL and things like that with other Dolt fans. Why are you here trolling on a Pats Forum anyway under roos
     
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    Do you just make sh*t up in order to continue an argument?  Tell you what, skippy (you like that name), go to the pats website and see whether or not Wendell played in the game at the Jets this year? Now read this again:  NFL statement:  only coaches and a small amount of situation substitution players immediately ready to be sent into the game are allowed within the "second border". Wendell did not play in that game, wasn't going in after the punt, and thus had no business being where he was on the sidelines per the rule.  So why was he there?  Logically, because he was instructed to be a part of a wall of players being used to impede the progress of the gunner should the gunner go out of bounds.  Since the gunner did not go far enough out of bounds, Wendell (either of his own volition or per instruction) stepped into the painted sideline area (off limits to all players not in the game) to hit/trip the gunner.  The act is no different than what the jets did, and I'll finish with this.  There are some on this board who could care less about the wall.  All, however, were in agreement that alosi should have been punished because he could have seriously hurt the gunner by sticking his leg out.  The patriot player committed the same intentional act, yet no punishment.   Maybe I am wrong about the NFL and Bias regarding the pats.  Maybe the NFL actually is biased in favor of the pats.
    Posted by UD6


    Have you ever considered getting a job instead of posting here all day from the public library?
     
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    The Jets window is closing quickly as there will be a hard cap next year. The Jets will not be able to keep that team together , no way. The Patriots have been great at planning for the changes in the CBA. Goodell is so in the pockets of the Jets it isn't funny. He know's they blew the big chance for the next 5 yrs. atleast! The Pats are reloading and building a championship team on the fly. Short of something happening to Mr. MVP Tom Brady , the Pats will contend for the Super Bowl every year till he retires. The Jets can forget it. The Pats loss in the playoffs was a momentary setback in the bigger picture. The Jets are toast! 
     
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    Posted by Evil2010


    Right, won't any of the other Dolt fans play with you. Or have they all put you on ignore and won't let you play in any reindeer games.
     
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    BBreigns...   your long post hits the nail on the head as it was a witch hunt.

    Given the complexity of an NFL game in which team's change signals season to season, game to game, let alone their rosters being revamped, plus how players react to the action of a play, for ANYONE to believe a team can cheat so often as to impact a game is ludicrous. In each game we have seen plays in which the announcer would proclaim.  " the defense seemed to know the play was coming", yet, do we hear a subsequent comment the team may have cheated to know that?  Of course not as it was a good guess that worked!  It is called game PREPARATION and making a good observation.  It will be a long time before folks like UD6 and their types get past this episode and see it for what it is..   a jealousy driven attempt to discredit an organization to the delight of fans outside of NE.
     
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    goodell is a simply a duush bag.
     
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    In Response to Re: Goodell is really naive! : STEPPED INTO INTO A PROHIBITED AREA...I AM NOT GOING TO ENGAGE IN THE PERSONAL ATTACKS, BUT IN THIS ARGUMENT. I can not help it if you are unwilling to accept the video evidence of the pats player's infraction even though it is as obvious as the sun in the sky.
     
    RESPONSE: You "STEP INTO A PROHIBITED AREA" every time you post here. But, that never stopped you...you're still here. The question is, why? Judging from the content of your latest posts, the only thing that you're interested in accomplishing is to agitate...the very definition of a troll. 
         Why should Russ, or anyone else, accept video, or any other kind of alleged "evidence" from the likes of you? After all, you've been making asinine statements here, ever since you've began posting. When you're called on your foolish gibberish, you rarely if ever admit you're wrong, even in the face of overwhelming direct and circumstantial evidence.
         What difference does it make if a Pats' player committed or attempted to commit an infraction in the past? The bottom line is that the idiot Jets' coach actually tripped a player during a game...making his rule violation obvious for all too see, and creating a situation where the tripped player might have been seriously injured.  As a result, that idiot coach deserved to be punished. Because the Jets' were caught, should we now go back and examine every past NFL game to see whether other teams or players committed, or attempted to commit, similar violations? 

    ...I know nothing...but it has no bearing on this case. 

    RESPONSE: Here...you and I are in complete agreement.  
    Posted by UD6


         Finally troll...what say you about Peyton? Will he stay or will he go? Will he cause the Colts to take out a second mortgage on "The Luke", or will he force them to franchise him? If franchised, we both know that he's as good as gone...since several teams would happily fork over two #1 picks, and pay Peyton whatever he wants. As for matching any offer made, surely there'll be included in any Manning mega-deal a "poison pill" provision. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Goodell is really naive! : STEPPED INTO INTO A PROHIBITED AREA...I AM NOT GOING TO ENGAGE IN THE PERSONAL ATTACKS, BUT IN THIS ARGUMENT. I can not help it if you are unwilling to accept the video evidence of the pats player's infraction even though it is as obvious as the sun in the sky.
     
    RESPONSE: You "STEP INTO A PROHIBITED AREA" every time you post here. But, that never stopped you...you're still here. The question is, why? Judging from the content of your latest posts, the only thing that you're interested in accomplishing is to agitate...the very definition of a troll. 
         Why should Russ, or anyone else, accept video, or any other kind of alleged "evidence" from the likes of you? 
    TP - its fine if you don't want to accept it, but it doesn't change the truth.  The point of the discussion isn't even that the pats engaged in an act that this board went apoplectic when initially connected to the jets, its that this thread wants to once again suggest that Goodell is biased against and has it in for the pats.  I disagree.  That the pats weren't punished for their tripping act same as the Jets were shows that. 

    After all, you've been making asinine statements here, ever since you've began posting. When you're called on your foolish gibberish, you rarely if ever admit you're wrong, even in the face of overwhelming direct and circumstantial evidence.
    Of course, I disagree.  I admit I am wrong frequently.  I don't think I am here.  
         What difference does it make if a Pats' player committed or attempted to commit an infraction in the past? The bottom line is that the idiot Jets' coach actually tripped a player during a game...making his rule violation obvious for all too see, and creating a situation where the tripped player might have been seriously injured.  As a result, that idiot coach deserved to be punished. Because the Jets' were caught, should we now go back and examine every past NFL game to see whether other teams or players committed, or attempted to commit, similar violations? 
    as I recall pats fans here (including you) have been so upset over the fact that no other team was punished for committing the same spygate acts.  Although we don't have evidence of other teams committing the same spygate infraction, we do with respect to the tripping incident.  Is it now that the shoe is on the other foot, you want different (selective) justice than you wanted for spygate?
    ...I know nothing...but it has no bearing on this case. 

    RESPONSE: Here...you and I are in complete agreement.  
    Posted by UD6


         Finally troll...what say you about Peyton? Will he stay or will he go? Will he cause the Colts to take out a second mortgage on "The Luke", or will he force them to franchise him? If franchised, we both know that he's as good as gone...since several teams would happily fork over two #1 picks, and pay Peyton whatever he wants. As for matching any offer made, surely there'll be included in any Manning mega-deal a "poison pill" provision. 
    I think, hope, Manning will stay.  If he gets the highest contract, I don't expect it to be much higher than Brady's, although I could certainly be wrong. 

    The parties are currently working on a deal.  I don't think there is any expectation that he will be paid less than the highest in the league unless he accepts something less.  I know that the colts have asked him to consider taking less (or to structure it creatively) so that the colts can go after other players.  It will be interesting to see how Manning responds. 

    The request puts Manning in a spot.  If he takes the "biggest money", he will be labeled (even locally, i think) as greedy even if he deserve the money.  If he gives in to the team's request, I think he becomes kind of a silent GM.  I doubt he will let the team "use his money" to sign players he doesn't think benefit the team. 

    Finally, my point re: the tripping incident isn't to stick it to pats fans but to point out that the NFL and Goodell are not out to get the pats and belichick.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Goodell is really naive! : I love when fans believe the commissioner is operating with bias.  Maybe for pats fans its your inherent "us against the world" mentality derived from Belichick's efforts/desire to turn the world against the pats.  Feel free to allow Goodell to fuel your hate if it supports your fantasy, but I really don't believe that Goodell is emotionally trying to stick it to your club, especially given his strong relationship with Kraft.   Here's an example, it's now been proven that NE built a wall for kick returns and actually impeded the progress of the opposition.  What punishment has been handed down to the Patriots for doing this?  
    Posted by UD6

    "Here's an example, it's now been proven that NE built a wall for kick returns and actually impeded the progress of the opposition.  What punishment has been handed down to the Patriots for doing this?"

    Link please.

     
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    The whole flavor of the post certainly got twisted. The idea that Goodell thought BB would try to explain himself to the media is ludicrous on a couple of fronts. One that the media somehow would take his explination and put the matter to rest and second he should know BB history with the media and how they railroaded him in Cleveland. It seams to me he is learning the job as he goes along and he really does not have the experience or the expertise to be an effective comish with recent examples not withstanding. 
     
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