Re: Goodell said WHAT?!?!?!
posted at 1/13/2011 8:29 PM EST
In Response to Re: Goodell said WHAT?!?!?!:
AZPAT--I'm not quite sure we're arguing over much here. Here, though, is what I don't like. When labor disputes happen in sports fans have a tendency to blame the players. "They're greedy." "They make too much for playing a child's game." Etc, etc. I think the league is trying (subtly) to get fans to do this--to put the blame for the labor dispute on the players and to suggest that ticket prices are as high as they are purely because of the players. But the reality is that NFL top management--and NFL owners--are making a heck of a lot more money than most of the players. There's a ton of money sloshing around in the NFL and it's not just players making it. The dispute isn't really about greedy players driving up prices for owners and fans. It's about dividing a big huge pie between workers (players) and management/ownership. Reducing player salaries won't reduce costs for fans--that's a load of BS--all it will do is increase profits for owners. Now I don't mind the owners making money either. But I don't like silly PR games that try to put blame on one side when the other side is every bit as greedy. Let's just be honest. The goal on the owners' side is to maximize profits for owners. The goal on the players' side is to get the biggest possible salaries and benefits for themselves. Making the game cheaper for fans isn't something anyone in these negotiations really cares about, as long as fans remain willing to pay the prices and fill the seats. Personally, in disputes like this, I tend to root for labor over management. What's funny, in my own work, I'm on the management side. But because of that, I know exactly what motivates management--and believe me, it's not altruism. Just a little story. Back (years ago) when I started working, I got a job in a factory (working on the assembly line). One Friday, the foreman took a few of the longer term employees out to celebrate the retirement of one of the workers (I stayed back to work since I was new). The guys drank a few beers (paying for everything out of their own pockets) and got back to the factory a few minutes late. Everyone was immediately fired. Once I got into a management position, something similar happened when an employee left. We all went to a fancy restaurant in New York and spent hundreds on wine and expensive food. Lunch lasted three hours. When we got back, all we did was file an expense report so it didn't cost us anything. That my friends is the real world of labor and management.
Posted by prolate0spheroid
I'm not saying that anyone is trying to make this less expensive for fans. That'll NEVER happen unless there is a bankruptcy filed on behalf of the NFL. Sorry, higher prices are here to stay. Either you pay the freight or you don't. Right now, via salariesand various other "contributions", the NFLPA gets 60% of the revenue. Now, I may be a victim of a public education from The People's Republic, but "60" is more than "40". Someone needs to prove to me it isn't.
If teh players don't like what's going on, they can always go out and start up their own leages (WFL and USFL, anyone?). Fact is they can't and come close to what they have now, so they whine about how life in the NFL isn't fair, especially those FA's "franchised" by owners. They got their FA, which only stars get the real big buck benefit of, and the rest are signed to a 2 year plus 1 year option contract, and are out of football within 2 years. Why? Because someone bigger,faster, younger, adn BETTER comes alone and will get those dollars. The Pats do it, yet no one really complains about it, because they prove they know what they're doing with positive yearly results.
Your example has a HUGE flaw. It's not about blue collar workers getting fired for drinking at lunch and coming back late. It's about those same guys coming back, WORKING AN ASSEMBLY LINE (does safety and liability come to mind?). Assembly line conjure up something called "production": the more widgets made, the more they can sell, the more money they can make. On the other hand, management sitting around a table with food and wine for 3 hours could in fact be very productive to a company, as they will be "out of the way", allowing the workers to do their jobs. I doubt if you or "management" in your lunch operated anything more dangerous than a telephone or electic stapler. I'll even toss in a fax machine and copier.
Bottom line is that NO ONE wins in this labor strife. Prices and costs will NEVER go down, unless there is a complete and total financial shut down (no TV money, no local advertising revenue, no apparel/gear sales), and they have to start over. Even then.....