Grading the 2010 NFL Draft

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    Bill Belichick's trading is the true heart of the Patriots' drafting process.  That's how he created two extra #2 picks in the first place, and how he created an extra #3 this year and an extra #2 next year.   A+, outweighing all other factors in its scope.  This team marches into championship games with a thick wall of quality players, and they play 31 other teams with lots of holes.

    As for the actual picks, I think that BB has learned from certain successes.  Welker was extraordinary.  Then Edelman was drafted on his acceleration and was equally extraordinary.  Vollmer also has great agility for a guy his size.  So, BB's top six picks this year all have as much explosion as possible.  I think that by and large they will be a good to great group.

    Next, BB has noticed the natural advantage of arm length in football players.  Offensive linemen with long arms (like Vollmer) lock onto the shoulders of defensive players like Velcro.  Defensive players with long arms (like Crable when he's on the field, like Pierre Woods, and like Richard Seymour) can keep their distance from offensive linemen, preventing lock-on, and can then slide to the ball carrier on a running play, or can get several additional chances to swim around the lineman to the quarterback.  Every member of this year's crop of first and second rounders has gorilla arms.  Only the WR and the receiving tight end don't have big and tall shop arms.  I think BB's judgment is correct, and this year's crop will outperform other years' groups.

    All twelve of last year's draftees are returning to the Patriots' 2010 training camp.  That's a tremendous drafting record considering that four of the guys are sixth and seventh rounders.  Now my expectations are high.  I expect good results from this war room.

    BB is using the seventh round to draft potential practice squad players.  They're all klutzes with potential, so probably no other teams will snag them and toss them onto their 53 man rosters.  Good use of the late seventh round.

    Bonus for BB drafting several high choices in programs run by his buddy Urban Meyer.  They know everything about the Pats already, and so they're more likely to start this September.  Go git em, guys.
     
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         ....New England Patriots:  ... At pick #62, the Pats reached for the slow Brandon Spikes. Let's hope Spikes is the second coming of Ted Johnson (minus all those concussions...poor guy). WR Taylor Price is as raw as they come. One has to wonder whether the Pats would have been better off selecting OLB/DE Everson Griffen, or WR/KR Mardy Guilyard, with the Price pick. Some nice Later round picks, such as DE/DT Brandon Deaderick. Finally, got to factor into the Pats' grade that, in addition to the players they selected, that they also earned a 2nd round pick in 2011 from Carolina: GRADE: B;     4.) New York Jets: As has been their wont in recent years, the Jets target certain players...and go for quality, not quantity. With the 29th overall pick, they selected ball-hawking CB Kyle Wilson of Boise State. Next, they moved up to #61, where they select OT/OG Vladimir Ducasse of UMass. At #112, they selected USC RB Joe McKnight. McKnight is a slippery, quick all-purpose RB, who will replace Leon Washington. With their 139th pick, they selected tough FB John Connor, who should be their blocking back for the next 6-8 years. A great haul with just four picks: GRADE: A-           THOUGHTS ON THE PATS...OR ANY OTHER TEAM?                                                                    
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    Just thoughts on the Pats and Jets: I don't think Spikes was a reach.  I watched Florida play nearly every game (I live in the belly of that particular beast) and he was a standout of that defense.  40 shmorty, that guy can play football.  Dick Butkus wasn't particulary fast, but he could play a little.  That's my comp for Spikes.

    As for the Jets, you (and others) criticize the Pats for the McCourty pick because it wasn't a need, but are quick to applaud the Wilson pick.  That position is the strength of that team, it doesn't appear to be a significant upgrade.  They had a need at the guard position and picked a 1AA (or whatever they call it these days) guy that is a project.  McKnight should be a useful player in the Washington role, and was drafted about where he should have been.  Same with Conner.  In comparing that haul to those of other teams that you gave a lower grade, I'm not seeing it? 
     
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    And by the way, the Jets had a glaring need at pass rush as well.  What did they do there, Jason Taylor?  Oh, wait I forgot about Adalius Thomas...  The Jets had 32 sacks last year, New England had 31.  The Jets gave up 30 sacks and New England gave up 18.  Personally I'm getting tired of this Jets love fest on this board, let's see what happens before we hand them rings. 

    To quote Dennis Green: "You want to crown them, go ahead and crown their [rear ends]!"
     
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    I was wondering when you were going to get around to doing this.

    I found the grade on the Pats to be about right.  Most grades I've seen have been an A- or a B.  They managed to plug some holes but not all.  RB and the annual pash rush go unanswered.  From the sounds of things it looks like the draft was a B and was moved up to an A- by some for the 2nd round pick aquired.  Good analysis as usual. 
     
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    Tex,

    You are right on the grade for the Pats. They were manipulating the board in genius ways but in the end they actually did little to fill their pass-rush needs.
    I don't like the man crush BB has for TEs. I hope those are not 2 wasted picks (ala Graham, Watson, Thomas,...) on glorified blockers.
    I didn't like the WR selection in the 4th either: they selected the fastest WR on the board at that time. Looks to me like another Bethel Johnson in the making.
     
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    In Response to Grading the 2010 NFL Draft : Just thoughts on the Pats and Jets: I don't think Spikes was a reach.  I watched Florida play nearly every game (I live in the belly of that particular beast) and he was a standout of that defense.  40 shmorty, that guy can play football.  Dick Butkus wasn't particulary fast, but he could play a little.  That's my comp for Spikes.
     
    RESPONSE: Muz, I initially had the same opinion as you. But a 5.06 40 is very slow by NFL standards. That said, it should be noted thaat Spikes has been dogged throughout the 2009 football  season with toe, achilles, and groin injuries: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/archive
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    . Could these injuries have contributed to his slow 40 time?  As for your analogy to Butkus, he was actually pretty fast for his size. In addition, the rules Butkus played under allowed a far more liberal use of physicality...whereas in today's game, a LB gets flagged if he looks cross at a WR.


    As for the Jets, you (and others) criticize the Pats for the McCourty pick because it wasn't a need, but are quick to applaud the Wilson pick.

    RESPONSE: That was my initial reaction. But, upon further analysis (see my commentary on the Pats' draft above), I can understand why the Pats chose McCourtey.

    That position is the strength of that team, it doesn't appear to be a significant upgrade.

    RESPONSE: The choice of Wilson was an excellent pick for the Jets, for tthe same reasons why McCourtey was an excellent pick for the Patriots. Save for Sergio Kindle and his wounded knee, there was no pass rusher type worth taking, that fit into the Jets' system. Wilson provides excellent depth, and is insurance in case Antonio Cromartie begins to impregnate another dozen women. Furthermore, unlike the Patriots, the Jets were able to pressure opposing QBs. Although the sack totals between the two teams are nearly identical, the Jets were off the charts in QB pressures/hits. For example, in one game, they hit Tom Brady 23 times, yet failed to register a single sack. A ball-hawking CB like Wilson should thrive in Rex Ryan's "D".   

    They had a need at the guard position and picked a 1AA (or whatever they call it these days) guy that is a project.

    RESPONSE: They must have thought that Alan Faneca was done. They'rre not asking this kid to play tackle...just guard. Furthermore, wasn't ebastien Vollmer a relatively unknown guy with limited experience? Yet, he managed to adapt well to play in the NFL.

    McKnight should be a useful player in the Washington role, and was drafted about where he should have been.  Same with Conner.  In comparing that haul to those of other teams that you gave a lower grade, I'm not seeing it?

    RESPONSE: The Jets were already a good team going into this draft. Consequently, they had fewer needs than some of the lesser teams. I thought they did a great job of filling their needs. McKnight may well become the steal of the draft. Blocking back Connor will accentuate the Jets' smash-mouth rushing attack.
     
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    Spikes is a bigger guy than Butkus, he's close to 260.  Butkus was maybe 235 - 240.  The game has changed of course, that goes without saying.  My comparison is the style of play.  I'm not sure Butkus would be more than a two down player in this league now.

    I still don't see the Jets getting an "A" for a draft grade relative to the Pats or other teams with better records, like the Colts, and even the Bengals who picked more players and from the looks of it, had a pretty good draft.  They picked four players.  Their first rounder looks like you'd expect from a first rounder.  He's a good prospect.  DuCasse might also become a good player.  Is he an improvement over Faneca?  Time will tell.  I'd say it's more than likely he will have his ups and downs as a rookie asked to start, if that's the way they go. 
     
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       3.) New England Patriots:  The last time a Patriots' team had so many needs was in the 2001 draft. The Pats sorely needed pass-rushers, help at TE, WR, RB, OL, DL, and LB. So, naturally, they used their first round selection on a CB, Devin McCourtey. That said, an analysis of players available to them at where they selected show that the only pass-rushers available were OLB Sergio Kindle and his damaged knee, or OLB Jerry Hughes. Wildcard WR Dez Bryant was available. But signing Dez to huge money might have had a detrimental effect on the attitude of Randy Moss...along with the baggage Dez carries. There were only a pair of good CBs remaining...after which there was a rather large drop-off. As a result, McCourtey got the call. The Pats were surely disappointed when Miami chose pass-rusher OLB/DE Koa Misi at #40. With Misi gone, there wasn't much left. So, the Pats addressed the TE spot instead by selecting Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. They finally addressed their pass-rusher need by selecting OLB/DE Jermaine Cunningham at #53. At pick #62, the Pats reached for the slow Brandon Spikes. Let's hope Spikes is the second coming of Ted Johnson (minus all those concussions...poor guy). WR Taylor Price is as raw as they come. One has to wonder whether the Pats would have been better off selecting OLB/DE Everson Griffen, or WR/KR Mardy Guilyard, with the Price pick. Some nice later round picks, such as DE/DT Brandon Deaderick. Finally, got to factor into the Pats' grade that, in addition to the players they selected, that they also earned a 2nd round pick in 2011 from Carolina: GRADE: B;   Posted by TexasPat3


    Ahh Texas, I always love your grades after the draft and you always have good insight as to why you have the grades.

    Though I agree on most of the teams there are a couple thngs I disagree with. Namely the analysis on the Pats. I think you have the right grade for not seeing a single play on the field my thoughts are a bit different.

    McCourty - not a need and I think Hughes or Odrick would have been the better pick. The one knock on Hughes was that he'd be a nickle rusher with the chance to become a 3 down LB. Well McCourty is a nickle cb and ST with the chance to become a starting cb so I can't understand the knock on Hughes. On the other hand last years ST was pathetic in both average return yards and return yards given up so getting the best ST in terms of return and gunner isn't a bad pick. I'm going to have to wait a couple years to see how both turn out before I make judgement over which would have been better. For all I know McCourty will be a ST demon and end up being a shutdown corner.

    Gron - could turn out to be the best overall TE in the draft. He's also one of the best blocking TE's in the draft so he could finally be the long term solution BB has been looking for.  But, that depends on his back.

    Spikes - A steal in the late 2nd. Though his speed made him fall he is a leader and on top of that a perfect fit for a 34 ILB. His lack of speed will easily be masked in our system as his main jobs will be plugging holes in the line against runs and covering underneath for short dump plays. Both of which are his strengths and both are something we were missing last year with Guyton being the SILB

    Price - Small school WR's are hit or miss and generally misses. He's got all the physical abilities and traits to succeed but given the system he was in and the fact that larger schools didn't recruit this kid given his talents I'm waiting to see what he can learn. I see him as a project just studying under Holt and Moss for a year before seeing significant time on the field

    Hernadez - Fell do to a couple failed drug tests. He was a late 1st early 2nd talent so mid 4th isn't that big of a risk. The one big question is if he was such a talent and freely admitted to every team that he smoked up but planned to quit why did it take until th 4th for someone to pick him up? Other teams with big needs at TE should have scooped him up in the 3rd if they didn't have questions. If he does stop smoking though he could be the steal of the draft in the 4th.

    Zoltan - with one of the lowest punting averages and inside 20 punts in the league last year this drafting was huge for us. Field position is key and if he can net 10+ yrd average and dbl the coffin corner kicks of Hanson then this is a huge signing

    The rest of the draft I don't think are going to be anything but backups at best and I doubt 1/2 of the 6+ round draftees will make the team tbh but getting a 2nd for next year was great esp since the pick we traded back from to get that 2nd also netted us Spikes, not a bad trade at all. Though with a very weak draft next year don't be surprised if that or our 2nd gets trade into 12' for a 1st

    All in all I'd say McCourty and Spikes were the only safe picks for right now but that is dependent on Gron's back too (if healthy he'd be a safe pick). Price has tons of upside but can he be a nfl pro? He's a high reward medium risk type of player that could shock us. Cummingham is a 3rd down rusher but with trouble in open space can he set the edge and be anything but a rushing specialist? Hernadez if he keeps to his word and does't smoke up has extremely high upside as he can be a short yard H-Back, flank out to WR during spreads for uneven match ups, or be the swing TE in 2-3 TE formations. This draft says to me stocked with high upside talent but we'll have to see if the talent translates well to the system they are in. In a couple years we'll know wither this draft was a C grade or the talent pans out and ends up being a A.
     
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    In Response to Grading the 2010 NFL Draft : Ahh Texas, I always love your grades after the draft and you always have good insight as to why you have the grades. Though I agree on most of the teams there are a couple thngs I disagree with. Namely the analysis on the Pats. I think you have the right grade for not seeing a single play on the field my thoughts are a bit different. McCourty - not a need and I think Hughes or Odrick would have been the better pick. The one knock on Hughes was that he'd be a nickle rusher with the chance to become a 3 down LB. Well McCourty is a nickle cb and ST with the chance to become a starting cb so I can't understand the knock on Hughes. On the other hand last years ST was pathetic in both average return yards and return yards given up so getting the best ST in terms of return and gunner isn't a bad pick. I'm going to have to wait a couple years to see how both turn out before I make judgement over which would have been better. For all I know McCourty will be a ST demon and end up being a shutdown corner.
     
    RESPONSE: BB may have found another Ty Law in McCourtey. I couldn't find any scouting blips on Law that were written just prior to when he was drafted in 1995. But, if memory serves me correctly, McCourtey's blips, and his physical tools, are similar;

    Gron - could turn out to be the best overall TE in the draft. He's also one of the best blocking TE's in the draft so he could finally be the long term solution BB has been looking for.  But, that depends on his back.
     
    RESPONSE: TE Jeremy Shockey was supposed to be All-World, too. But, he could never stay healthy.  You know that Gronkowski will have a giant bull-eye on his back in every game he plays. Lets hope he's 100% before he takes the field.

    Spikes - A steal in the late 2nd. Though his speed made him fall he is a leader and on top of that a perfect fit for a 34 ILB. His lack of speed will easily be masked in our system as his main jobs will be plugging holes in the line against runs and covering underneath for short dump plays. Both of which are his strengths and both are something we were missing last year with Guyton being the SILB
     
    RESPONSE: Spikes should be a two down player. If he's the next Bryan Cox or Ted Johnson, I'm fine with that. Anything more is gravy.

    Price - Small school WR's are hit or miss and generally misses. He's got all the physical abilities and traits to succeed but given the system he was in and the fact that larger schools didn't recruit this kid given his talents I'm waiting to see what he can learn. I see him as a project just studying under Holt and Moss for a year before seeing significant time on the field
     
    RESPONSE: Price is extremely raw. The Pats have had other developmental types that have never panned out. I'm not too optimistic about this kid ever making an impact.

    Hernadez - Fell do to a couple failed drug tests. He was a late 1st early 2nd talent so mid 4th isn't that big of a risk. The one big question is if he was such a talent and freely admitted to every team that he smoked up but planned to quit why did it take until th 4th for someone to pick him up? Other teams with big needs at TE should have scooped him up in the 3rd if they didn't have questions. If he does stop smoking though he could be the steal of the draft in the 4th.
     
    RESPONSE: Smoking weed is not so much an act as it is an attitude. I'm deeply concerned that the Pats have thrown away a 4th rounder on an guy whose first priority is not football. 

    Zoltan - with one of the lowest punting averages and inside 20 punts in the league last year this drafting was huge for us. Field position is key and if he can net 10+ yrd average and dbl the coffin corner kicks of Hanson then this is a huge signing

    RESPONSE: The Pats need a huge upgrade at punter. I'm not advverse to the Pats using the 150th overall pick to try to remedy this problem.

    The rest of the draft I don't think are going to be anything but backups at best and I doubt 1/2 of the 6+ round draftees will make the team tbh but getting a 2nd for next year was great esp since the pick we traded back from to get that 2nd also netted us Spikes, not a bad trade at all. Though with a very weak draft next year don't be surprised if that or our 2nd gets trade into 12' for a 1st All in all I'd say McCourty and Spikes were the only safe picks for right now but that is dependent on Gron's back too (if healthy he'd be a safe pick).
     
    RESPONSE: Good point. The Pats might actually trade-up for a change. They must land a pass-rusher with the 2011 #1 pick from Oakland.

    Price has tons of upside but can he be a nfl pro? He's a high reward medium risk type of player that could shock us.
     
    RESPONSE: Price is too raw to help out. I see another PK Samm. Hope i'm wrong.

    Cummingham is a 3rd down rusher but with trouble in open space can he set the edge and be anything but a rushing specialist?
     
    He can probably be as good as he wants to  be. The question is, does he  have a Mike Vrabel-type mindset...or a Shawn Crable-type mindset?

    Hernadez if he keeps to his word and does't smoke up has extremely high upside as he can be a short yard H-Back, flank out to WR during spreads for uneven match ups, or be the swing TE in 2-3 TE formations.
     
    RESPONSE: I see his previous weed use as a major red flag.

    This draft says to me stocked with high upside talent but we'll have to see if the talent translates well to the system they are in. In a couple years we'll know wither this draft was a C grade or the talent pans out and ends up being a A.

    RESPONSE: On the contrary, I see this draft as boom or bust.  

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         PatsEng...thanks for your interesting post.
     
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    Patseng, I agree with most of what u say except that next years draft is very weak.  The QBs, WRs, Rbs,Cbs, are all rated better than this years.  This year did have extra juniors comeout, but it was on 6-8 more than the norm.  Next years draft has much more elite talent than this years did.
     
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    On Hernandez.  He's gotta know he's in the big leagues now and the pot smoking has got to be part of his past or he will not play in the NFL.  It is a flag but my hopes are that he isn't that stupid or the Pats wasted a pick for sure.  Somebody had to have talked to the kid about this.  I can't imagine this going unchecked.

    Price.  He believe he will come on board smoothly.  There's no rush being behind Tate and Holt.  We will probably see some downs with Moss actually getting a break every now and then.  It will fun to see him on the field with Brady.

    The guy I have question marks on is how they are going to use Cunningham.  I just don't know enough about the guy.
     
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    TexasPat, on Price.  You have to also look at his Qb who stunk.  You can combine the best of Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, Moss, Welker and anyone else u want into one great WR and if the QB is horrible, they wont look that great.  I am not saying Price is the next Moss, but I think in year 2-3 he will be very good.  I see him coming on strong by the end of this year. 

    On Hernandez, I too hope he isnt the weed head type.  That can kill a career really fast.
     
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    Patseng, I agree with most of what u say except that next years draft is very weak.  The QBs, WRs, Rbs,Cbs, are all rated better than this years.  This year did have extra juniors comeout, but it was on 6-8 more than the norm.  Next years draft has much more elite talent than this years did.
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    By weak class I don't mean the level of elite talent but the amount of talent available. I agree next year the level of elite talent is far better then this years but from the reports I've seen the amount of 1st grade talent is by far less. From my understanding this year was considered very strong just because the 1st round grades extended to the mid and late 2nd rounds (Spikes for example should be a 1st round talent in almost any other draft) while the second round talent level went into the 4th round, which is unheard of. Now next year I think the grades as of right now only have the 20 or so players with 1st round talent and 5 of those are considered late 1st while the 2nd round talent ends early in the 2nd making it a weaker draft. Thankfully though the Pats have Oak's pick and two 2nds so they could actually use 1 of the 2nds and their 1st to move up and possible grab 2 players in that elite range (which again is suppose to be better then this years). But that's still a year away and anything could happen, just wanted to clearify what I meant by weaker
     
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    TexasPat, on Price.  You have to also look at his Qb who stunk.  You can combine the best of Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, Moss, Welker and anyone else u want into one great WR and if the QB is horrible, they wont look that great.  I am not saying Price is the next Moss, but I think in year 2-3 he will be very good.  I see him coming on strong by the end of this year.  On Hernandez, I too hope he isnt the weed head type.  That can kill a career really fast.
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         Hope your right on Price.
     
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    Spikes time is very slow for the SEC too.  Ya he's prolly a two down player and so was Teddy J.  But what 2 downs they were.

    I've seen grades all over the map.  Pretty much they get high grades for doing close what the writer thought they'd do.

    Zolack suggested that a strong push up the middle would hurry the QB.  It appears they have strengthened the middle...And that having to worry about the middle would free up the outside rush.  Does that make FB sense?

    Before the draft knowledgable Scout, Inc writer Adam Caplan listed several WR he's thought fit the Pats among them:  Damian Williams, Mardy Gilyard and Taylor Price.  He actually had Price ahead of Gilyard.
     
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    On Hernandez.  He's gotta know he's in the big leagues now and the pot smoking has got to be part of his past or he will not play in the NFL.  It is a flag but my hopes are that he isn't that stupid or the Pats wasted a pick for sure.  Somebody had to have talked to the kid about this.  I can't imagine this going unchecked.
     
    RESPONSE: As stated above, my fear is that marijuana use isn't just an act, it's also an attitude. Bad attitudes are tougher to change than bad habits.

    Price.  He believe he will come on board smoothly.  There's no rush being behind Tate and Holt.  We will probably see some downs with Moss actually getting a break every now and then.  It will fun to see him on the field with Brady.
     
    RESPONSE: I don't expect too much from Price. As for Tate, the question is...will he ever be healthy?  

    The guy I have question marks on is how they are going to use Cunningham.  I just don't know enough about the guy.

    RESPONSE: Cunningham has all the physical tools. But, so does Shawn Crable.

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    Tex, I agree with all your grades.  I'm fine with the Pats getting a "B" mostly because of Spikes and all the 2nd rd picks that are worthy of optimism.
    My biggest issues with the Pats draft is if they really wanted a CB in the 1st, why didn't they try and trade up for Haden or easily Jackson?  Both players were well ahead of McCorty.  Now if your going to say the Pats had McCorty targeted as the guy they wanted, then why did they keep trading down and risk losing him?  All that say to me is that they had no problem losing McCorty, because they had a ton of other players of equal value. 


    I hate to say it, but the Jets might have made the better pick at CB of Kyle Wilson.  I'm no Boise fan, but most reports had Wilson as the 3rd best CB behind Jackson and Haden.  Based on that the Jets should get an "A", and I still hate the Jets!

     
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    Never has so much been said,  by so many,  who know so little.

    I've been a draftnik for about 30 years.  Trust me boys...You don't even know, what you don't know.

    Single most important event in the history of this franchise could be the drafting of Tom Brady at # 199.

    How many of you, or any one else for that matter commented on that pick?

    While I'm at it here are just a few players that changed the course of their team's history whith little to no fanfare at the time of aquisition.

    Terrell Davis, Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, and PLEASE...Don't get me started on the huge named busts that no one saw coming!  Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, Jarmarcus Russel, Ki Jana Carter...At the time all of these guys were thought of as "can't miss".

    My point is this is all fun and games...but please gentlemen keep in mind that we are all just having a little fun, but none of us really has a clue.  The pros don't even have a firm grasp on the draft, so I am pretty sure none of us is even close.
     
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    Texas if you're worried about the attitude associated with pot smokers, what do you make of the negative effect Kevin Faulk has had on the team for the past 11 seasons?
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         LOL!!! Good point!!
     
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    In Response to Grading the 2010 NFL Draft : Tex, I agree with all your grades.  I'm fine with the Pats getting a "B" mostly because of Spikes and all the 2nd rd picks that are worthy of optimism. My biggest issues with the Pats draft is if they really wanted a CB in the 1st, why didn't they try and trade up for Haden or easily Jackson?  Both players were well ahead of McCorty.

    RESPONSE: BB was not targeting a CB. What the Patriots and some other teams do is put together their own draft board, prior to the draft. The Pats shrink the board down from 350 players to about 100-150 players. These players are guys who the Pats think will fit their system. Then they project which players will be available when they select. The Pats wanted a pass-rusher. But, all of the best ones were gone by the time they selected. McCourtey was the best available player, according to their board.      

    Now if your going to say the Pats had McCorty targeted as the guy they wanted, then why did they keep trading down and risk losing him?

    RESPONSE: BB is a bit of a gambler. He has stated that McCourtey would have been his choice at #22. But, judging from the needs of the teams at 23-26, BB felt that McCourtey would still be available by #27. So, why choose McCoutey at #22? Why not trade down to #27, take McCourtey there, and pick up an extra 3rd and 4th round pick from trading down from 22 to 27? An additional benefit to the team is that #27 is a lower rookie salary slot than #22.  

    All that say to me is that they had no problem losing McCorty, because they had a ton of other players of equal value.

    RESPONSE: I disagree. McCourtey is who they wanted at that juncture in the draft. The Pats just knew that they could acquire a couple of extra picks by trading down, yet still get him.

    I hate to say it, but the Jets might have made the better pick at CB of Kyle Wilson.  I'm no Boise fan, but most reports had Wilson as the 3rd best CB behind Jackson and Haden.

    RESPONSE: OurLads Scouting Services had McCourtey listed as the 2nd best CB available. Haden rated a 9.66, McCourtey a 9.24, Patrick Robinson a 9.22, Kyle Wilson a 9.20, and Kareem Jackson an 8.97. Mel Kiper's Draft Report listed Haden at 9.2, Jackson at 9.1, and McCourtey and Wilson, in that order, at 9.0. How a CB fits into a particular system can add to his value, as well as his ability to compete on special teams. McCourtey is reportedly a special teams demon.

    Based on that the Jets should get an "A", and I still hate the Jets!

    RESPONSE: I thought that McCourtey and Wilson were excellent picks for where they were selected. I gave the Jets an A- for their draft. They did a great job. I don't hate the Jets...but the Indianapolis Colts are another matter...LOL!!   

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    I still couldn't disagree more with the Jets getting an A.  They added guys to areas that are already the strength of the team (CB/OL/RB) and didn't address a single area of weakness.  Are you saying they're a flawless team and thus didn't need to do so? 

    And they added just four players!   New England added 12.  Are you saying their four guys are just so phenominal that they're worth three of mere mortal football players, or that Belichick is just a complete dunce?  It has to be one of those things, doesn't it? 

    You can argue that the Pats didn't address the pass rush in the draft and you can argue that the Jets didn't need to, but you'd be wrong on both counts.  The Jets had one sack more than the Patriots in 2009.  So they harrassed Brady in an early season game and knocked him down a few times, that's what you're going by to claim they didn't need to address the pass rush?  Or what, they added Methuselah, er, Jason Taylor so they didn't need to?  The Pats picked a OLB/DE in the second round, who obviously they feel good about.  They also added some D-linemen with late picks.  Might not be splash picks like some might have expected, but it's not nothing, like the Jets did.

    So we'll see how it turns out, but I for one, am not impressed by the Jets haul in this draft.  Do they have a decent team, yes they do, but I don't see where it was greatly improved by the draft to the point where they should rate an A.  It's no way comparable to the Ravens or Raiders, the only other AFC teams you gave an A.

     
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    In Response to Re: Grading the 2010 NFL Draft : I still couldn't disagree more with the Jets getting an A.  They added guys to areas that are already the strength of the team (CB/OL/RB) and didn't address a single area of weakness.

    RESPONSE: I completely disagree: 1.) Wilson: They needed a nickel back, and insurance in case Cromartie goes heywire; 2.) Ducasse: They wanted to release Faneca, leaving a hole at guard. Ducasse fills that hole; 3.) McKnight: They wanted to release Leon Washington. McKnight replaces him; 4.) Connor was the top rated FB available, and gives their stable of RBs a top-flight lead blocker.

    Are you saying they're a flawless team and thus didn't need to do so?  And they added just four players!   New England added 12.

    RESPONSE: The Patriots had far more holes to fill than the Jets. Are the Jets flawless? No...they needed the four players that they added. They also would have liked to add a pass-rusher...but none of value was available to them when they selected. Over the past few years, the Jets have drafted for quality, noy quantity. In 2007, the Jets traded up twice, and only selected four players. But two of the four were pro-bowl caliber, CB Darrelle Revis, and ILB David Harris. In 2009, they also traded up, and only took three players. Two of those players are now starters...QB Mark Sanchez, and RB Shonn Greene.  

    Are you saying their four guys are just so phenominal that they're worth three of mere mortal football players, or that Belichick is just a complete dunce?

    RESPONSE: The Pats selected 7 players in the 2008 draft. Only one, Mayo, amounted to anything. In 2007, the Jets selected 4 players, and just 3 in 2009. Yet, out of those draft, they got a shut-down CB, a pro-bowl ILB, a starting QB, and a starting RB. It's not how many picks you have...its' what you do with them. The Pats haven't drafted well since 2005. 

    It has to be one of those things, doesn't it?  You can argue that the Pats didn't address the pass rush in the draft and you can argue that the Jets didn't need to, but you'd be wrong on both counts.  The Jets had one sack more than the Patriots in 2009.

    RESPONSE: Stop it. Yes...the Jets had only one more sack than the Pats...but got a zillion times more hits and pressures on opposing passing.

    So they harrassed Brady in an early season game and knocked him down a few times,
     
    RESPONSE: A few times?? Try twenty-three (23)!!  

    that's what you're going by to claim they didn't need to address the pass rush?

    RESPONSE: Are you seriously trying to make the argument that the Patriots' pass-rush situation is better than the Jets...and good to go??

    Or what, they added Methuselah, er, Jason Taylor so they didn't need to?

    RESPONSE: How does it hurt the Jets to add Taylor? Without him, they had the best defense in the NFL. They can only get better with him.

    The Pats picked a OLB/DE in the second round, who obviously they feel good about.  They also added some D-linemen with late picks.  Might not be splash picks like some might have expected, but it's not nothing, like the Jets did.
     
    RESPONSE: The Jets had different needs than the Pats. They already have the best "D" in the NFL. While no one really knows whether Cunningham, or a guy like Deaderick will pan out. But, judging from their LB/DL picks over the past few years, the odds aren't good. Lets' examine how the Pats' OLB/DL picks have panned out since 2005. How do these names grab you...LB Ryan Claridge, LB Jeremy Mincey, DT Le Kevin Smith, DT Kareem Brown, LB Shawn Crable, LB Bo Ruud, DT Ron Brace, LB Tyrone McKenzie, NT Myron Pryor, and DT Darryl Richard.  YUCK!!!!   

    So we'll see how it turns out, but I for one, am not impressed by the Jets haul in this draft. Do they have a decent team, yes they do, but I don't see where it was greatly improved by the draft to the point where they should rate an A.

    RESPONSE: I'm not saying that this draft will put the Jets over the top. How far the Jets go will depend on whether Mark Sanchez can stay healthy, and continue to improve. 

    It's no way comparable to the Ravens or Raiders, the only other AFC teams you gave an A.

    RESPONSE: Its' just my opinion. I really liked their draft. Incidently, I gave the Jets an A-, not an A.

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         Thanks for the interesting commentary, Muz.
     
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         Here are the draft grades from Rich Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News. Gosselin is one of the most respected NFL beat writers in America: http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/042510dnspogoosegrades.3f4b050.html

         Notice that Rich gave the Patriots an "A". Here's an in depth look at the Patriots' draft, focusing on their "Florida connection": http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/042510dnspogosselin.30e1dae.html
     
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         I know it's somewhat futile to assign draft grades to teams, when not one of their selected players has played a down. But, I enjoy this sort of thing...so, if you're interested, read on: I.) NFC WEST:      1.) Arizona Cardinals:  The Cards were extremely fortunate to have Tennessee NT Dan Williams fall to them at #26. Most felt Williams was a top 12 pick. Second round pick, OLB Daryl Washington, is a tackling machine, who will be counted on to replace Karlos Dansby. In the third round, the Cards grabbed WR Andre Roberts, to help fill the huge vacancy left by Anquan Boldin. OLB O'Brien Schofield might have been a late first round pick, had he not suffered a serious knee injury during Senior Bowl practices:  GRADE: A-;      2.) San Francisco 49ers:  Strongly addressed their greatest weakness...OL, by selecting huge OT Anthony Davis, and even larger OG, Mike Iupati. Though Iupati has some issues while pass-blocking with holding, Mike Singletary wants to run the ball...and should be able to do so, now. Got to wonder about mid-second rounder, Taylor Mays. Not a good sign when you're first act as an NFL player is to call out your college coach. Third rounder, OLB Navarro Bowman, was a questionable selection. He's relatively short for a 3-4 OLB, and has had some off field issues. The 9ers might have been better served drafting a CB instead. Power RB Anthony Dixon was also added to pound the ball. 49ers are going to play smash mouth football. Their draft projects the attitude of their head coach: GRADE: B;      3.) Seattle Seahawks:  Choose wisely with their two first rounders...taking OT Russell Okung at #6, and following with S Earl Thomas. The 'Hawks added WR Golden Tate at #60, and CB Walter Thurmond at #11. From there, selected a mediocre group of primarily DEs and TEs. Loved their first two picks. Not as enamored with Golden Tate as are others. Thought Thurmond was an excellent choice at the point he was taken. 'Hawks filled two of their greatest needs. But, they reached for Tate. The 'Hawks would have been better served had they chosen to trade down at #60: GRADE: B+       St. Louis Rams:  Sam Bradford may have durability issues, coming off a serious shoulder injury, and having to play behind five Nick Kaczur clones. Is he really worth dealing with Tom Condon, paying $50mil. in guaranteed money, and passing up a relatively safe pick, like Suh? The Rams wisely went OT in round two, selecting Rodger Saffold of Indiana. Reached for CB Jerome Murphy in round three...then chose the thin but explosive WR, Mardy Gilyard, with the first pick in round four. Their remaining picks were a hodge-podge of DE and TE prospects.  After watching the Patriots and Eagles wheel and deal, you would have thought that the Rams could have traded down and gotten more value for their picks. But, with the exception of Murphy, they did a solid job: GRADE: B; II.) NFC NORTH:       1.) Chicago Bears: Gave away all of their high picks in that foolish Jay Cutler trade. At #75, they landed S Major Wright, one of the few Florida players that escaped the Patriots. At #109, they followed up with DE Corey Wooten of nearby Northwestern. At #141, they added CB Joshua Moore of Kansas, and at #181 selected sleeper QB Dan Lefevour .  Despite having so few picks, I really liked what the Bears did. All four of their aforementioned picks should make their team...and Wright, Wooten, and Moore should contribute.  GRADE: C;      2.) Detroit Lions: Though the Lions were lauded for landing Suh at #2, they really needed an LT like Russell Okung, to protect their huge investment in QB Matthew Stafford. Though Suh is a moose inside, I'm not sure he'll be much of a factor getting to the QB. I don't understand why the Lions traded up to snare RB Jahvid Best. Best had concussion problems in college....and, they could have probably still gotten him at #34. Trading up and selecting OT Rodger Saffold would have made far more sense. Selected CB Amari Spievie at #66, and huge OT Jason Fox of Miami, who is coming off a college season ending knee injury.   Not a bad job, especially as Lions' drafts generally go. GRADE: B-      3.) Green Bay Packers: Their main objective was to find a body guard for QB Aaron Rodgers. They found one when OT Brian Bulaga slipped down to them. They added Purdue DT Mike Neal at #56, who they hope they can convert into a 3-4 DE. At #71, they moved to bolster their secondary with safety Morgan Burnett of Georgia Tech. OG Marshall Newhouse and 6'2", 215lb. Buffalo State RB James Starks are intriguing prospects. But, after getting shreaded by Kurt Warner in the play-offs, and having a pair of 33-plus starting CBs, I was surprised that the Pack didn't use their 56th pick on a corner: GRADE: C+;      4.) Minnesota Vikings: CB was the one real position of need for the Vikings. So, they reached for CB Chris Cook at #34. Cook was the best of the "second tier" of CBs, behind Haden, McCourtey, Wilson, Jackson, and Robinson. At #51, the snagged RB Toby Gerhart of Stanford, to replace the departed Chester Taylor. At #100, they scored great value by selecting potential pass-rusher Everson Griffen of USC. OG Chris DeGeare and ILB Nathan Triplett were added to enhance depth. Though Cook was the best CB available at the time of selection, DT Brian Price, RB Dexter McCluster, or a trade-down would have presented greater value. Loved the Griffen pick at #100: GRADE: C+; III.) NFC SOUTH:       1.) Atlanta Falcons: Needing to upgrade their LB play, the Falcons were thrilled that LB Sean Weatherspoon was available to them at #19. Weatherspoon was one of the most underrated players available. But, after that, not too much to get excited about. Like the Patriots, they needed pass-rushers...but failed to solve that need. GRADE: C-;      2.) Carolina Panthers: Should have followed suit and passed on Jimmy Clausen with their top pick, #48 overall. WR Brandon LaFell of LSU, taken at #79, is a big target, but seems overrated. The Panthers traded their 2nd round pick in 2011 for the 89th overall pick...which they surprisingly used on Appalachian State QB Armanti Edwards. Also added short DE/OLB Eric Norwood, DE Greg Hardy, and QB Tony Pike of Cincinnati. The Panthers continue to ruin their chances of seriously competing by trading away their high draft choices. They traded away their #1s in 09-10, and now, traded their second rounder to the Pats in 2011. These disastrous trades, along with equally disastrous picks like Armanti Edwards and LaFell, will end up costing John Fox his job: GRADE: D-;      3.) New Orleans Saints: Even the best teams have weaknesses. For the Saints, it's DE opposite Will Smith, DT next to Sedric Ellis, and LB depth. So, it was a bit surprising when the Saints selected CB Patrick Robinson at #32. But, when you consider that the drop-off at CB after Robinson was huge, they're selection was more understandable. Still, DT Brian Price and LB Daryl Washington would have looked good in Saints' uniforms. OT Charles Brown was a great value at #64, but Miami TE Jimmy Graham at #95 was a reach. DE Everson Griffen or LB Ricky Sapp could have filled greater needs. Saints also snared BC center Mike Tenant at #158:  GRADE: C;      4.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers:  The Bucs aggressively addressed their interior DL by adding DTs Gerald McCoy, and Brian Price. With the 39th overall pick, they selected tall, physical WR Arrelious Benn, and tabbed tall CB/FS Myron Lewis at #67. Next, at #101, they took a flier on troubled Syracuse WR, Mike Williams. Punter Brent Bowden at #172. Lots of holes to fill for Tampa. For the most part, they took the best players available, at their many need positions. GRADE: B+; IV.) NFC EAST:        1.) Dallas Cowboys: Moved up to select life-challenged WR Dez Bryant. It's only fitting that the Cowboys selected and will now try to guide young Dez. After all, somehow meetings, with ex-Cowboy great Deion Sanders, which Dez subsequently lied to the NCAA about, was what got him suspended for the 2009 college season. Maybe, under the tutorage of Sanders and Michael Irvin, he'll flourish...or at least have fun at the numerous Dallas "gentleman's clubs". Penn State LB Shawn Lee was a bit of a reach, taken at #55...due to health concerns (knee). Nonetheless, his selection likely spells the end of 1st round bust Bobby Carpenter in Big D. CB/FS Akwasi Owusu-Ansah is a small college developmental prospect, with outstanding physical tools...and was a great selection at #126. It is hoped the Notre Dame OT Sam Young will begin to play up to his size, and replace OT Marc Columbo: GRADE: B-;      2.) New York Giants:  The Giants have had good luck with DE types Osi Umenyiora, Mathias Kiwanuka, and Justin Tuck. They hope that the freakishly athletic Jason Pierre-Paul will be added to that list. The Giants followed up with NT Linval Joseph at #46, LSU safety Chad Jones at #76, reached for ILB Phillip Dillard at #115, and tabbed Arkansas C/OG Mitch Putrus at #147. GRADE: C;      3.) Philadelphia Eagles: Led the league with 13 selections. Still it's not the number of picks that count. It's what you do with them. The Eagles got off to a flying start by trading up for pass-rusher/disruptor Brandon Graham. Next, they addressed a huge need at FS by tabbing South Florida's Nate Allen. The trade-ups left them without a pick til #86, when they wisely selected pass-rusher potential DE, Daniel Te'o Washington. Other picks of note were Clemson OLB Ricky Sapp at #134, and LSU RB Charles Scott, at #200. But, Philly did little to address needs at CB and on the OL: GRADE: B; 4.) Washington Redskins: The absolute top priority for the 'Skins was to select a LT. So, rather than take perhaps the best player in the entire draft, safety Eric Berry, they chose OT Trent Williams of Oklahoma. The 'Skins didn't pick again to # 103, when they selected LSU ILB Perry Riley. The rest of their meager collection of picks didn't amount to much: GRADE: C-     V.) AFC WEST:       1.) Denver Broncos: Of all drafts to evaluate, this was the toughest. The Broncos used the 22nd overall pick on WR Demaryius Thomas, and then shocked the football world by trading the 43rd, 70th, and 114th to the Baltimore Ravens for the 25th overall pick, which they used to nab Florida QB, Tim Tebow. This trade served to solidify the Ravens as a SB threat, as well as returned Josh McDaniels back to the hot seat...where he was a year ago after trading QB Jay Cutler. You have to wonder about whether ol' Josh has been drinking out of the same spring as Al Davis since his trip to the Rockies. The questionable selection of a very raw WR at #22, this dumb Tebow trade, and the ridiculous trade of the Broncos' #1 in 2010 (which turned out to be the 14th overall pick) to obtain pint-sized CB, Alphonso Smith, may cripple the Denver franchise for years to come. Other McDaniels' picks included OG Zane Beadels at #45, Baylor center JD Walton at #80, WR Eric Decker at #87, and CB Perrish Cox at #137, appear solid. But my God...those first two...: GRADE: C-; 2.) Kansas City Chiefs: May have gotten the best player available in safety Eric Berry. But, the price for taking Berry was passing on one of the elite OTs...which would have served to strengthen and solidify the weak Chiefs' OL. Scott Pioli surprised by selecting diminutive RB/WR/KR Dexter McCluster at pick #36.  Pioli reached for pint-sized Alabama CB/KR Javier Arenas, selected OG Jon Asomoah at #68, and Iowa TE Tony Moeaki at #93. McCluskey is another Darren Sproles, only more explosive. If healthy, Moeaki can provide Cassel with a reliable target over the middle. The Chiefs should be deadly on kick returns. But, they still have major problems on the left side of their OL: GRADE: B;     3.) Oakland Raiders: MLB Rolando McClain could be the second coming of Ray Lewis. Next, at #44, the Raiders bolster the interior of their DL with Texas DT Lamarr Houston. At #69 and 106, the Raiders fortified their OL by adding OTs Jared Veldheer, and workout warrior Bruce Campbell. At #108, they added fleet Clemson WR/KR Jacoby Ford, and at #138 chose Auburn CB, Walter McFadden. Best Raiders' draft in years: GRADE: A;     4.) San Diego Chargers:  The Chargers sacrified their 40th overall pick to move up 16 spots in the first round...to select Fresno State RB Ryan Matthews. Matthews appears to be the perfect replacement for the whiny LT, who has taken his tears East. With their 79th overall pick, the Bolts chose Washington ILB Donald Butler. They followed tha selection up with SS Daryl Stuckey at #110, and much needed NT, Cam Thomas, at #146. The Chargers drafted like the Jets have in recent years...choosing quality over quantity. If Matthews is the real deal, and Thomas can plug up the middle of their DL, than the Chargers had a fine draft: GRADE: B- VI: AFC NORTH:      1.) Baltimore Ravens:  Tim Tebow deal (see Denver Broncos above) may have served to solidify the Ravens as a legitimate SB contender. In that deal, they surrendered their 25th overall pick, in exchange for the 43rd, 70th, and 114th overall selections. They used those picks to get OLB Sergio Kindle at #43, and a pair of TEs, Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta, respectively. On defense, they added huge Alabama NT Terrence Cody at #57, and Syracuse DT/DE Arthur Jones at #157. Try to run against the Ravens now with Cody, Naga, and Ray Lewis patrolling the middle. If Kindle and Jones are healthy, the Ravens "D" will be as fierce as ever: GRADE: A            2.) Cincinnati Bengals:  Got some additional weapons for QB Carson Palmer in TE Jermaine Gresham at #21, and WR Jordan Shipley at #84. Top picks on "D" are DE Carlos Dunlap at #54, Georgia DT Geno Atkins at #120, and CB Brandon Ghee at #96. Good, solid draft by the Bengals: GRADE: B+;     3.) Cleveland Browns:  Browns had to be disappointed when safety Eric Berry didn't fall to them. But, Rather than trade down or add a pass-rusher, they chose CB Joe Haden. Don't get me wrong, Haden is a great prospect...but not at pick #7. The rest of the Browns' draft was nondescript...including the choice of QB Colt McCoy at #85. Horrible draft by Mike Holgren: GRADE: D;     4.) Pittsburgh Steelers:  The Pittsburgh "D" isn't what it once was. Their pass defense in particular was awful last season. Nontheless, the steelers choose to fortify their OL by selecting C/G Maurkice Pouncey with their 18th overall pick. The Steelers further addressed their pass-rush depth by taking DE/OLBs Jason Worilds, and Thaddeus Gibson of Ohio State. WR/KR Emmanuel Sanders was taken at #82...to help fill the Santonio Holmes void, and RB prospect Jonathan Dwyer, a short-yardage slammer: GRADE: B-; VII. AFC SOUTH:     1.) Houston Texans: The main Houston needs were at RB and CB. With RBs Ryan Matthews and CJ Spiller gone, the Texans chose Alabama CB, Kareem Jackson. Then, they addressed their RB needs at #58 with Auburn's Ben Tate. The Texans added DT Earl Mitchell at #81, two TEs, Garrett Graham and Dorin Dickerson of Pitt., and diminutive WR/KR Trindon Holliday of LSU...who should fun to watch (anyone remember Nolan Smith of the KC Chiefs?). Both Devin McCourtey and Kyle Wilson are better prospects than Jackson. Tate was a bit of a reach at #58 GRADE: C;     2.) Indianapolis Colts:  Has Bill Polian found another pain in the butt edge rusher in Jerry Hughes? The Colts didn't lose the SB because of poor OL play. They lost because they couldn't get to Drew Brees. I love this pick for Indy. Hughes is an ideal fit in their defense. Iowa ILB Pat Angerer at #63 fits the profile for an Indy LB...not too big or tall, but fast. The six-foot Angerer ran a 4.67 40. Kavell Connor is another short ILB, with 4.6 speed. At #94, the Colts chose USC CB Kevin Thomas who, though somewhat soft in run support, has all the physical tools (6'0", 4.44 40 speed) to be a solid NFL CB. Not much help on the OL.  GRADE: B-;     3.) Jacksonville Jaguars:  The Indianapolis Colts once caught lightening in a bottle...as they shocked the football world by taking a relatively small DE out of Syracuse named Dwight Freeney. But, Freeney had just set an NCAA record for sacks. The Jags top choice and 10th overall pick, Tyson Alualu, has no such distinction. He is, supposedly, the "perfect" 3-4 DE, who can both play the run and rush the passer. At 6'2", 293, and running a 4.88 40, he does appear to have the physical tools. The Jags also added DT D'Anthony Smith, and DEs Larry Hart and Austen Lane in later rounds. Their mission? Get to Peyton Manning: GRADE: D      4.) Tennessee Titans: Ever in pursuit of Peyton, the Titans select DE Derrick Morgan as their latest anti-Indy missile. They add USC WR Damian Williams at #77, OLB Rennie Curran of Georgia at #97, CB Alteraun Verner of UCLA at #104, FS Robert Johnson of Utah at #148, and SS Myron Rolle of FSU. An excellent assortment of talent to satisfy needs: GRADE: B+        VIII.) AFC EAST:      1.) Buffalo Bills: For the past two years, the Bills have needed a LT. Planning to move to a 3-4 defense, the Bills look for an anchor in the middle. So...what do the Bills do with their 9th overall pick? Select a RB, of course! CJ Spiller is a game-breaking runner. Paired with Fred Jackson, they may be the best 1-2 RB punch in the Division. It's only a matter of time before Marshawn Lynch gets his walking papers: http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/01/08/917050/marshawn-lynch-accused-of-stealing.html . Next, at #41, the Bills reached for NT Torell Troupe...though higher rated NTs Terrence Cody, Linval Joseph, and Cam Thomas all were available. At #72, they selected a good 3-4 DE prospect in Arkansas State's Alex Carrington. WR Marcus Easley and OT Ed Wang were taken in the later rounds: GRADE: C-;     2.) Miami Dolphins:  Passed on top pass-rush prospects Jason Pierre-Paul and Derrick Morgan in round one. They instead agreed to drop down 16 spots, in exchange for the 40th overall pick. The 'Fins selected wisely by tabbing DE/DT Jared Odrick of Penn State. Odrick was voted the Big 10 defensive player of the year. Next, got the pass-rusher they wanted with Koa Misi at #40. Thereafter, they added OG John Jerry at #73, Iowa ILB AJ Edds at #119, and Georgia safety Reshad Jones at #163. Good job of grocery shopping by Mr. Bill  GRADE: B     3.) New England Patriots:  The last time a Patriots' team had so many needs was in the 2001 draft. The Pats sorely needed pass-rushers, help at TE, WR, RB, OL, DL, and LB. So, naturally, they used their first round selection on a CB, Devin McCourtey. That said, an analysis of players available to them at where they selected show that the only pass-rushers available were OLB Sergio Kindle and his damaged knee, or OLB Jerry Hughes. Wildcard WR Dez Bryant was available. But signing Dez to huge money might have had a detrimental effect on the attitude of Randy Moss...along with the baggage Dez carries. There were only a pair of good CBs remaining...after which there was a rather large drop-off. As a result, McCourtey got the call. The Pats were surely disappointed when Miami chose pass-rusher OLB/DE Koa Misi at #40. With Misi gone, there wasn't much left. So, the Pats addressed the TE spot instead by selecting Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. They finally addressed their pass-rusher need by selecting OLB/DE Jermaine Cunningham at #53. At pick #62, the Pats reached for the slow Brandon Spikes. Let's hope Spikes is the second coming of Ted Johnson (minus all those concussions...poor guy). WR Taylor Price is as raw as they come. One has to wonder whether the Pats would have been better off selecting OLB/DE Everson Griffen, or WR/KR Mardy Guilyard, with the Price pick. Some nice later round picks, such as DE/DT Brandon Deaderick. Finally, got to factor into the Pats' grade that, in addition to the players they selected, that they also earned a 2nd round pick in 2011 from Carolina: GRADE: B;     4.) New York Jets: As has been their wont in recent years, the Jets target certain players...and go for quality, not quantity. With the 29th overall pick, they selected ball-hawking CB Kyle Wilson of Boise State. Next, they moved up to #61, where they select OT/OG Vladimir Ducasse of UMass. At #112, they selected USC RB Joe McKnight. McKnight is a slippery, quick all-purpose RB, who will replace Leon Washington. With their 139th pick, they selected tough FB John Connor, who should be their blocking back for the next 6-8 years. A great haul with just four picks: GRADE: A-           THOUGHTS ON THE PATS...OR ANY OTHER TEAM?                                                                    
    Posted by TexasPat3


    TP3:

    Although I generally agree with your analysis, the fun part of the NFL draft, for me, is the potential for guys coming out of nowhere and not only making their teams but becoming well-known (if not superstar players) players down the road timewise.  My favorite longshot picks from this draft are:

    1/ Mike Kafka QB - IMHO, it's Andy Reid's veiled warning to Kevin Kolb that if he doesn't perform - his replacement will be ready and waiting. Kafka, I believe would make a heck of a leader for the Eagles' offense.

    2/ Eric Decker WR - This is the guy that IMHO, the Patriots should have taken instead of Aaron Hernandez. Not that AH is a bad choice, it's just that Decker has the potential of being a taller version of Wes Welker.
     
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    Re: Grading the 2010 NFL Draft

    If you look at teams that got high draft grades(according to media pundits) most of them had high picks. I graded the Pats at about a B too, however, none of these draftees has played in the NFL so it is still very early to make an assessment. If drafts meant anything Aaron Curry would have been better than Clay Mathews (sore spot for some) and he wasn't. When I look at the grades I really only look at the competition. I am more concerned with teams like Indy, the Ravens and Jets than I am with the high selection bottom feeders.

    I always like the post-season (after SB) re-mock draft that shows where players should have been taken based on their rookie performance. Also like the concept of a five year draft grade. So lets wait until 2011-2012 season is in the books and then talk about the last five drafts. As Pats fans we will be able to compare the Pioli/Belichick era to part of the Caserio/Reese/Belichick era over those five years.

    Some stories are bigger than others. Obviously any team that acquires what is perceived to be a franchise QB (Tebow Bradford and before that Sanchise) will get more ink.
    Some less covered stories:

    The precipitous drop of Johnathan Dwyer and Lagarrate Blount. Prior to the combine he was considered a late 1st early 2nd round type RB and Blount was considered 4th round material. Dwyer was drafted in what the 5th and Blount was sign as a rookie FA. Dwyer had a terrible combine and weight issues. And Blount had charactor issues. One of the two should turn out to be a decent player.

    Two firsts and two 2nds looms large for 2011 and has the potential to be a great draft. Have the Pats, in the Belichick era, ever drafted a bust with a high selection
    (Seymour, Mayo) ? I mean top 15 pick. The Pats 2009 draft was successful and 2010 looks promising. If you end up with three starters in year 2 (Vollmer, Butler, Edelman) that's remarkably good for the positions where you drafted them. Two 2nds and a 7th. Not all draftees will be immediate starters, that's an unrealistic notion. You draft ten players and hope four or five stick is a more realistic outlook.

    Tex, As i mentioned in the draft thread the only players I would want the Pats to take in this draft were Suh or Morgan. One is Seymour, the other could be Ware, but I knew that Belichick would never trade up in a deep draft and any team picking that high would want quality picks. Would you trade the Vollmer and Butler picks to get Suh when you know that players like Clayborn, Heyward, and Romeus will be on the board next year with the Raiders pick. The Pats seem to be acquiring D Line talent (Lewis Warren), but they can still draft an impact player in 2011.  At this point you just want quality players and depth on your roster. With Edelman, Tate and Price (not to mention the tutulege of route runner Holt) the Pats have depth at WR,. With Spikes, McKenzie, Crable and Cunningham they have some depth at LB. More weapons or players that allow the offense to become more potent at TE with Hernandez, Gronk, and Crumpler. And Last, a punter named Zoltan. You need a good punter to win some field position games. A good draft, but only time will tell. More depth at CB.

    "Part of being right is being right over time"-- Warren Buffet.
     

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