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Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

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    Bye bye Pezzy!   Do you think Brady will avoid throwing picks on Sunday?  I hope so.




    LOL!.  TOTAL MELTDOWN!

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

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    Explain what I am "dead wrong" about?  You morons just come on here, 1 by 1, following me around in between every thread, and it's always tied to a thread where you can see an opportunity to promote Brady and bash BB and his defense. It's like clockwork.  Look at the board. I have RKarp following me around trying to regain leverage ever so desperately, and now you two are in here, ruining this thread as diseased Brady Ballwashers and selfish turds.

    You little girls thing Brady is above the team. I say he's not.

    The crux of that piece True Champ posted is about balance. Nothing more, nothing less.

     



    Actually it says something along the lines of the QB being the most important cog...nothing I found about balancing run and pass.

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

    I posted the article with no agenda. I thought it was interesting...very interesting how they broke down the difference between 3 main offensive philosophies. As I read it again I would point out that when Weiss brought this system in with BB we were a balanced offense and clearly more clutch in post season play. As we adapted to Naploians rule changes we started spreading the field more and running out of the SG as half our offense. This offense has been very explosive and Brady has put up unbelievable numbers. However this offense is a finesse offense that has proven easier to defend in the post season. Bradys numbers specifically his td to int rate have suffered in the post season compared to where it was with Weiss's.

    I think that BB and McD have left no stone unturned to bring this offense to its full potential. From spending time with Chip Kelly and other college coaches and using a no huddle like its never been used before, to almost leading the lg in rushing atts. The coaching staff has built something that will be very difficult to stop. I believe Brady will benefit greatly and that he is about to turn in his finest post season performance of his career and win Lombardi #4. 

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

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    I posted the article with no agenda. I thought it was interesting...very interesting how they broke down the difference between 3 main offensive philosophies. As I read it again I would point out that when Weiss brought this system in with BB we were a balanced offense and clearly more clutch in post season play. As we adapted to Naploians rule changes we started spreading the field more and running out of the SG as half our offense. This offense has been very explosive and Brady has put up unbelievable numbers. However this offense is a finesse offense that has proven easier to defend in the post season. Bradys numbers specifically his td to int rate have suffered in the post season compared to where it was with Weiss's.

    I think that BB and McD have left no stone unturned to bring this offense to its full potential. From spending time with Chip Kelly and other college coaches and using a no huddle like its never been used before, to almost leading the lg in rushing atts. The coaching staff has built something that will be very difficult to stop. I believe Brady will benefit greatly and that he is about to turn in his finest post season performance of his career and win Lombardi #4. 




    That's all great, not being sarcastic, it really is.  The ABILITY to do all that can't hurt, can only help.

    But here's the problem.

    1, you have to have a defense that won't give up more points than your very capable O can score.

    2, as we have been trying to tell you, running is situational.  There is no set balance ratio. It depends on a 100 things.  Down and distance, the score, the team you are playing and their weaknesses, what the D is showing , can your own D hold,  is it the end of the game with a lead or are you behind or tied, your RB's ability, injuries, the weather, on and on and on.

    Yes it's great to be able to run, no one is disputing that.  But you use it when it makes sense, not just to achieve some magical winning formula that doesn't exist.

    Watch the video from 2001.  There's no run/pass balance (no runs at all) and it's 100 % shotgun.  (yes, 100% shotgun in 2001)   Why?   Because that's what made sense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GVphiMBbGaM

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

    Good article, very interesting. Thanks for posting.

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

    Great article and entertaining read. More proof that the Coach is the best in the business and the Qb may be the best of all time.

     
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    Great article and entertaining read. More proof that the Coach is the best in the business and the Qb may be the best of all time.



    Agreed. It is amazing watching how Brady has mastered this offense and changes/adapts as his personnel and the rules shift. The one constant is the BB Brady combination. However as I said, in the early years under Charlie we adopted more of the ground and poundapproach that was used in the 70s. The last few years was tilted way more to pass heavy sg with dwindling post season results. I think we have come full circle this year while staying the most innovative. The more I read about what we have done on offense this year the more confident I am we can beat the ravens and the niners. I don't think the Falcons would be in the game personally.

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

    Good read, thanks TC.

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

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    Explain what I am "dead wrong" about?  You morons just come on here, 1 by 1, following me around in between every thread, and it's always tied to a thread where you can see an opportunity to promote Brady and bash BB and his defense. It's like clockwork.  Look at the board. I have RKarp following me around trying to regain leverage ever so desperately, and now you two are in here, ruining this thread as diseased Brady Ballwashers and selfish turds.

    You little girls thing Brady is above the team. I say he's not.

    The crux of that piece True Champ posted is about balance. Nothing more, nothing less.

     

     




    Junior, we didn't even mention Brady. Insane much?

     

    The crux of the piece has absolutely nothing to do with balance. It has to do with BB using the E-P naming SYSTEM to allow efficient application of the no-huddle.

    Did you even read it? Did you even read our comments?

     

    Here, read it now...

     

    With the help of his assistants, Belichick's primary innovation was to go from an Erhardt-Perkins offense to an Erhardt-Perkins system, built on its method of organizing and naming plays. The offense itself would be philosophically neutral."

     




    Or balanced.

     

    Neutral means balanced.

    Get it?

    It was IMBALANCED in 2007, 2009 and last year. 




    Neutral does not mean balanced. It means that neither run nor pass is favored. To apply it to the original adage:

     

    You run or pass to score. You run or pass to win.

     

    You see this every week in the Pats game plan. Whatever works.

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

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    Great article and entertaining read. More proof that the Coach is the best in the business and the Qb may be the best of all time.

     



    Agreed. It is amazing watching how Brady has mastered this offense and changes/adapts as his personnel and the rules shift. The one constant is the BB Brady combination. However as I said, in the early years under Charlie we adopted more of the ground and poundapproach that was used in the 70s. The last few years was tilted way more to pass heavy sg with dwindling post season results. I think we have come full circle this year while staying the most innovative. The more I read about what we have done on offense this year the more confident I am we can beat the ravens and the niners. I don't think the Falcons would be in the game personally.

     



    The use of the running game mixed with the hurry up against Denver earlier this year was the most impressive offense I had seen since 2007. They got sloppy in the 4th quarter to make it seem closer than it was but if the Pats can run an attack like that on a consistent basis over the next two weeks they would be unstoppable. How much does the loss of Gronk make Belichick revert to their more traditional spread though is my question.

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

    I for one am glad we've "devolved" to the more traditional offense we ran in the early Belichick years as it bodes well for our championship aspirations.

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

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    I for one am glad we've "devolved" to the more traditional offense we ran in the early Belichick years as it bodes well for our championship aspirations.



    But we didn't...

     
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    Great article and entertaining read. More proof that the Coach is the best in the business and the Qb may be the best of all time.

     



    Agreed. It is amazing watching how Brady has mastered this offense and changes/adapts as his personnel and the rules shift. The one constant is the BB Brady combination. However as I said, in the early years under Charlie we adopted more of the ground and poundapproach that was used in the 70s. The last few years was tilted way more to pass heavy sg with dwindling post season results. I think we have come full circle this year while staying the most innovative. The more I read about what we have done on offense this year the more confident I am we can beat the ravens and the niners. I don't think the Falcons would be in the game personally.

     

     



    The use of the running game mixed with the hurry up against Denver earlier this year was the most impressive offense I had seen since 2007. They got sloppy in the 4th quarter to make it seem closer than it was but if the Pats can run an attack like that on a consistent basis over the next two weeks they would be unstoppable. How much does the loss of Gronk make Belichick revert to their more traditional spread though is my question.

     




    Great question, and honestly after hearing Woodhead was going to be the lead back like he was against the Jets in the 1st rd loss in 2010, I am worried that we may have even lost this past week.

    Remove Vareen for the game and insert Woody and we still move the ball but does Woody dominate like Shane did? I don't think so. Ridley actually came in and sparked our 1st scoring drive by running 12 yards up the gut on his 1st carry,. Houston was never right defensively after that, unless you count the 4 and out sandwiched in between Houstons 2 tds drives in the 4rth wtr when we did absolutely nothing to use any clock.

    After Houstons 2nd scoring drive of the 4rth qtr we brought in Ridley and went on our longest drive of the game. Rode Ridley to a win. I hope we run/screen/checkdown to our Rb's all game, and when the Ravens adjust we hit Lloyd and Hern on some deeper plays.

    Need to keep Brady clean as he was actually pressurd last week more then he had been for quite some time while going with the pass heavy approach. The drives that worked were the balanced drives that left Houston gasping and guessing. The drives that didn't were the pass, pass pass drives that didn't use clock and put our D back on the field. I challenge any of you to check the play by play to see what I mean. Anyway I hope we see a healthy dose of Ridley and Vareen on Sunday. After all they had half of our yards and 4 of our 5 tds.

     
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    Great article and entertaining read. More proof that the Coach is the best in the business and the Qb may be the best of all time.

     



    Agreed. It is amazing watching how Brady has mastered this offense and changes/adapts as his personnel and the rules shift. The one constant is the BB Brady combination. However as I said, in the early years under Charlie we adopted more of the ground and poundapproach that was used in the 70s. The last few years was tilted way more to pass heavy sg with dwindling post season results. I think we have come full circle this year while staying the most innovative. The more I read about what we have done on offense this year the more confident I am we can beat the ravens and the niners. I don't think the Falcons would be in the game personally.

     

     



    The use of the running game mixed with the hurry up against Denver earlier this year was the most impressive offense I had seen since 2007. They got sloppy in the 4th quarter to make it seem closer than it was but if the Pats can run an attack like that on a consistent basis over the next two weeks they would be unstoppable. How much does the loss of Gronk make Belichick revert to their more traditional spread though is my question.

     

     




     

    Great question, and honestly after hearing Woodhead was going to be the lead back like he was against the Jets in the 1st rd loss in 2010, I am worried that we may have even lost this past week.

    Remove Vareen for the game and insert Woody and we still move the ball but does Woody dominate like Shane did? I don't think so. Ridley actually came in and sparked our 1st scoring drive by running 12 yards up the gut on his 1st carry,. Houston was never right defensively after that, unless you count the 4 and out sandwiched in between Houstons 2 tds drives in the 4rth wtr when we did absolutely nothing to use any clock.

    After Houstons 2nd scoring drive of the 4rth qtr we brought in Ridley and went on our longest drive of the game. Rode Ridley to a win. I hope we run/screen/checkdown to our Rb's all game, and when the Ravens adjust we hit Lloyd and Hern on some deeper plays.

    Need to keep Brady clean as he was actually pressurd last week more then he had been for quite some time while going with the pass heavy approach. The drives that worked were the balanced drives that left Houston gasping and guessing. The drives that didn't were the pass, pass pass drives that didn't use clock and put our D back on the field. I challenge any of you to check the play by play to see what I mean. Anyway I hope we see a healthy dose of Ridley and Vareen on Sunday. After all they had half of our yards and 4 of our 5 tds.



    Personally I do not like Woodhead as the lead back like he was in the first Raven game but I like Woodhead a lot. He has been huge on 3rd downs and he has very good hands. He, in my opinion is their best blocker and Belichik probably felt like the extra protection was more important than anything else since the game plan appeared to be similar to the first game. People may have forgotten that Brady got hit pretty hard in that first Texans game. Once Woodhead and Gronkowski went down Belichik, McDaniels and Brady improvised, on the fly, a great offense. Why anyone would give the coaches anything less than an A grade is beyond me. Luckily for everyone, Vereen was up to the challenge of doing Woodheads role, which he clearly was not ready for against San Francisco. He did not appear to do diferrent things than Woodhead, he just did them faster. We may never see a game like that out of Vereen ever again to be honest. I think they still would have won with Woodhead but Vereen made it a near blow out. I know many here like BJGE alot, and I do too, but Ridley is the better back and he continues to get good first down runs late in the game, which is the key to running out the clock. The Broncos got stuck with a 3rd and long at the end of regulation because their running back could not get the positive yardage when everyone knew he was going to run. Ridley has been able to this year much more than BJGE ever could. Combine that with an improved defense and i am more confident this year compared to last year and I was pretty confident last year by the way.

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

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    I posted the article with no agenda. I thought it was interesting...very interesting how they broke down the difference between 3 main offensive philosophies. As I read it again I would point out that when Weiss brought this system in with BB we were a balanced offense and clearly more clutch in post season play. As we adapted to Naploians rule changes we started spreading the field more and running out of the SG as half our offense. This offense has been very explosive and Brady has put up unbelievable numbers. However this offense is a finesse offense that has proven easier to defend in the post season. Bradys numbers specifically his td to int rate have suffered in the post season compared to where it was with Weiss's.

    I think that BB and McD have left no stone unturned to bring this offense to its full potential. From spending time with Chip Kelly and other college coaches and using a no huddle like its never been used before, to almost leading the lg in rushing atts. The coaching staff has built something that will be very difficult to stop. I believe Brady will benefit greatly and that he is about to turn in his finest post season performance of his career and win Lombardi #4. 




    Good post...  Agree.  Brady on a mission this year.  No more dinking around.  THIS IS THE TEAM ... The parts are there.  Get it done.  One game at a time...

     
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    Great article and entertaining read. More proof that the Coach is the best in the business and the Qb may be the best of all time.

     



    Agreed. It is amazing watching how Brady has mastered this offense and changes/adapts as his personnel and the rules shift. The one constant is the BB Brady combination. However as I said, in the early years under Charlie we adopted more of the ground and poundapproach that was used in the 70s. The last few years was tilted way more to pass heavy sg with dwindling post season results. I think we have come full circle this year while staying the most innovative. The more I read about what we have done on offense this year the more confident I am we can beat the ravens and the niners. I don't think the Falcons would be in the game personally.

     

     



    The use of the running game mixed with the hurry up against Denver earlier this year was the most impressive offense I had seen since 2007. They got sloppy in the 4th quarter to make it seem closer than it was but if the Pats can run an attack like that on a consistent basis over the next two weeks they would be unstoppable. How much does the loss of Gronk make Belichick revert to their more traditional spread though is my question.

     

     




     

    Great question, and honestly after hearing Woodhead was going to be the lead back like he was against the Jets in the 1st rd loss in 2010, I am worried that we may have even lost this past week.

    Remove Vareen for the game and insert Woody and we still move the ball but does Woody dominate like Shane did? I don't think so. Ridley actually came in and sparked our 1st scoring drive by running 12 yards up the gut on his 1st carry,. Houston was never right defensively after that, unless you count the 4 and out sandwiched in between Houstons 2 tds drives in the 4rth wtr when we did absolutely nothing to use any clock.

    After Houstons 2nd scoring drive of the 4rth qtr we brought in Ridley and went on our longest drive of the game. Rode Ridley to a win. I hope we run/screen/checkdown to our Rb's all game, and when the Ravens adjust we hit Lloyd and Hern on some deeper plays.

    Need to keep Brady clean as he was actually pressurd last week more then he had been for quite some time while going with the pass heavy approach. The drives that worked were the balanced drives that left Houston gasping and guessing. The drives that didn't were the pass, pass pass drives that didn't use clock and put our D back on the field. I challenge any of you to check the play by play to see what I mean. Anyway I hope we see a healthy dose of Ridley and Vareen on Sunday. After all they had half of our yards and 4 of our 5 tds.

     



    Personally I do not like Woodhead as the lead back like he was in the first Raven game but I like Woodhead a lot. He has been huge on 3rd downs and he has very good hands. He, in my opinion is their best blocker and Belichik probably felt like the extra protection was more important than anything else since the game plan appeared to be similar to the first game. People may have forgotten that Brady got hit pretty hard in that first Texans game. Once Woodhead and Gronkowski went down Belichik, McDaniels and Brady improvised, on the fly, a great offense. Why anyone would give the coaches anything less than an A grade is beyond me. Luckily for everyone, Vereen was up to the challenge of doing Woodheads role, which he clearly was not ready for against San Francisco. He did not appear to do diferrent things than Woodhead, he just did them faster. We may never see a game like that out of Vereen ever again to be honest. I think they still would have won with Woodhead but Vereen made it a near blow out. I know many here like BJGE alot, and I do too, but Ridley is the better back and he continues to get good first down runs late in the game, which is the key to running out the clock. The Broncos got stuck with a 3rd and long at the end of regulation because their running back could not get the positive yardage when everyone knew he was going to run. Ridley has been able to this year much more than BJGE ever could. Combine that with an improved defense and i am more confident this year compared to last year and I was pretty confident last year by the way.

     



    Yes Woody is a good back, but IMO should be used as a 3rd option to Rid and Vareen. I also agree Ridley is a more explosive better back then Benny, but if Benny was healthy in the post season( and he must have been cuz they benched Rid) then he should have been used for more then he was. Or Ridley, or anybody. We needed a run game to win both the ravens and giants games. This year we have one because we have committed to using the 3 guys that were on the roster last year. This with a defense that has grown together over the rebuild and we look good.

     

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

    " Brady thought trying to pass his way into sb wins was the answer.  It is not."

    Yeah Brady just did it all on his own, and Belichick let Brady tarnish his legacy with Super Bowl losses while he did nothing about it. You have some important points along the way, but this particular one is such junk analysis. No way Belichick lets anyone cross his legacy like that. It's odd that you as a Belichick supporter would undermine him by asserting he had no control over Brady even though there is plenty of evidence to negate that and very little to support it. But hey who cares about facts when we can have forum conjecture and conspiracies...

    Never mind we haven't had the running talent in recent year to have that kind of balance. Which of course is why Belichick drafted better running backs....

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

    I had to borrow these from another poster, Patriots rushing offense through the years:

    Year    Rush att     Rush yards    Average    YPG    Rush 1st downs

    2012      523           2184            4.2         136.5        151

    2011      438           1764            4.0         110.3        107

    2010      454           1973            4.3         123.3        119

    2009      466           1921            4.1         120.1        114

    2008      513           2278            4.4         142.4        145 (Matt Cassell QB)

    2007      451           1849            4.1         115.6        124

    2006      499           1969            3.9         123.1        121

    2005      439           1512            3.4           94.5        101

    2004      524           2134            4.1         133.4        120

     

    To say that we haven't turned to a more "runcentric" team is completely wrong, above are the stats that prove this.  Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it true, it has to be backed up by facts rather than "because I say so."  If carrying 3 receivers on the entire roster doesn't spell that out for you I don't know what will?

    To get more in depth in the championship years, 2001 we were 8th in rushing attempts, 2003 we were ranked low (12th) because Belichick was conserving Antoine Smith for the playoffs, which we know to be true because we attempted 31 rushing attempts per game in the postseason and Smith was tied with (surprise, also in the Super Bowl) Stephan Davis of Carolina for the most rushing attempts in the NFL postseason and was 2nd in attempts per game.

    In 2004 we were ranked 5th in rushing attempts, considering this year we're ranked 2nd in rushing attempts its safe to say that we're not only like those championship teams but we're MORE run happy than those teams ever were.  

    See folks those are what we call facts, not conjecture or lazyboy coaching but actual facts.  These also aren't stats based on complex mathematical formulas that ask you to suspend belief and logic to make a point, but actual NFL rankings

    Wait I'm sure there's a complex mathmatical formula coming soon to explain how out of an average of 32 NFL teams these rankings don't matter much because the air speed velocity of footballs in an El Nino atmosphere hinder the time each drive takes... 

    You guys would be funny if you weren't so predictable.

     

     
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    Re: Grantland article on how Erhardt-Perkins offensive system has lead to Patriot domination. Great read.

    For the record, I completely disagree with Rusty that any of our offensive short comings in the post season are Brady's fault. We have not had an offensive coaching staff that helped brady run this offense until we took McD back. In Brady's words, "McD makes adjustments better then ANY OC he has been around". Blaming Brady is as absurd a thing as I have ever heard of. This guy is gonna go down as the best QB in NFL history, and I truly believe if we had continuity at the O.C position he would have at least 1 more Lombardi already....but he will soon have his 4rth anyway!

     
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