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Great Offenses and Flashy WRs Do Not Win Championships

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    Re: Great Offenses and Flashy WRs Do Not Win Championships

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    quick, what were flaccos stats this postseason, how about eli's last postseason?

     

     

     


    Quick, does one season of playoff performance make a QB elite? Cherry pick much?




    flacco has the most road playoff games of any qb in the history of the NFL, and his career isnt even half over most likely....dont act like this is the first year he has played well in the postseason.

    eli has two rings and both postseasons he played very well.

     
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    Re: Great Offenses and Flashy WRs Do Not Win Championships

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    Wow. Censoring my posts that did not violate any rules? Why is this mod here censoring my retorts to the Jets cap disaster?

    I can't post on the RKarp thread exposing he and Mt Hurl, so I am resorting to having to do it elsewhere, with facts, evidence, proof, etc, but you delete it?

    Just who is so into protecting the Jets disaster on a Pats board?

    This is sick!

     




     

    Why? Because you have been banned over a dozen times and they are actually being kind to you by just deleteing instead of kicking your sorry rump yet again? Because you just plain old suck? Seems obvious to probably everybody but you. LMAO@U

     

     




    Yes, but nothing I said in the deleted thread was bad. It was actually me trying to show RKarp and MtHurl how wrong they are with the Jets.

     

    Don't look now, but the mods have inserted something in here that blocks us from seeing any discussion on the Jets/salary cap or they delete my comments to avoid debate on it.

    Censorship. I've broken no rules, "dumbkoff".



    its not only you. me as well. I would have to think the mods are tired of you being wrong about the cap and me pointing it out.... 

     
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    Re: Great Offenses and Flashy WRs Do Not Win Championships

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    quick, what were flaccos stats this postseason, how about eli's last postseason?

     

     

     


    Quick, does one season of playoff performance make a QB elite? Cherry pick much?

     




    flacco has the most road playoff games of any qb in the history of the NFL, and his career isnt even half over most likely....dont act like this is the first year he has played well in the postseason.

     

    eli has two rings and both postseasons he played very well.

     




    And Brady has more playoff wins than anybody in history. Zip it troll.

     




    yes he does, and noone is questioning that.....but the NFL is and always will be a what have you dont for me lately? league...

    and lately, brady has been south of elite in the playoffs.

     
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    Re: Great Offenses and Flashy WRs Do Not Win Championships

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    Wow. Censoring my posts that did not violate any rules? Why is this mod here censoring my retorts to the Jets cap disaster?

    I can't post on the RKarp thread exposing he and Mt Hurl, so I am resorting to having to do it elsewhere, with facts, evidence, proof, etc, but you delete it?

    Just who is so into protecting the Jets disaster on a Pats board?

    This is sick!

     




     

    Why? Because you have been banned over a dozen times and they are actually being kind to you by just deleteing instead of kicking your sorry rump yet again? Because you just plain old suck? Seems obvious to probably everybody but you. LMAO@U

     

     




    Yes, but nothing I said in the deleted thread was bad. It was actually me trying to show RKarp and MtHurl how wrong they are with the Jets.

     

    Don't look now, but the mods have inserted something in here that blocks us from seeing any discussion on the Jets/salary cap or they delete my comments to avoid debate on it.

    Censorship. I've broken no rules, "dumbkoff".

     



    its not only you. me as well. I would have to think the mods are tired of you being wrong about the cap and me pointing it out.... 

     




    why dont you go on the jets forum and share this great news with their fans?

    LMAO

     
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    Re: Great Offenses and Flashy WRs Do Not Win Championships

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    I wouldn't even call Wes Welker a "Flashy" WR. He's only great at route running and quickness, but there are about a hundred WRs that I would rather have over Wes. 



    Your a hater on Wes.  A hundred, really?    C'mon man.

     
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    Re: Great Offenses and Flashy WRs Do Not Win Championships

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         As we've seen with our own eyes over the past 5 years, stud WRs and high powered offenses do not win championships, without the support of a good defensive unit. True...the Patriots have come tantalizingly close in 2007 and 2011. But, on each occasion, their offense failed to materialize in the Big Game, and their defense could not close out those games. In 2009, 2010 and 2012, the vaunted Pats' offense grossly underachieved in the play-offs...resulting in the Patriots getting spanked on their home field.

         Folks...Wes Welker is an outstanding receiver. But, he's never going to be the focal point of a championship team. Stellar QB play and strong line play (OL and DL) usually tell the tale when the elite teams meet in the play-offs. So...as much as we all would love to see Wes remain a Patriot...unless the Pats can resign him at a reasonable price (no more than $7-8mil. per season), the team is best off letting him walk. Ditto for the NY Giants, who have difficult contract decisions to make relating to star WRs, Akeem Nicks and Victor Cruz.

         Here's a great article on the subject of great offenses, WRs, and winning championships: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/big-tease-2012-new-england-patriots-and-nfls-history-offensive-failures/21442/         



    Good article tpat.  The ironic part is we were on that side in 01 when we beat the rams.....

    cant speak for other teams but would have liked to see these most recent pat teams with a real O and D coordinator.   I feel the lack of assistant coaching has hurt this team well, meaning big time coaching in big time games.  besides Dante s. we have no other asSistant Coaches to coach these guys up!  

     
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    Re: Great Offenses and Flashy WRs Do Not Win Championships

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    Stout D + elite QB = greatly enhanced chances of winning it all.

    Been saying this for over 10 years.

     




    We don't have an elite QB in the playoffs, though. We do have a very stout Run D and one that causes a lot of turnovers.

     

    Pass D is average. 

     




    when it counts-really matters-ur pass D is awful

     

    and the evidence is mounting

    you would think the "greatest gm" in the history of the world would have that D rebuilt by now and at the very least a competent pass rush by now-especially in a such a qb driven league

     
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    Re: Great Offenses and Flashy WRs Do Not Win Championships

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    To me, blaming Welker for the Patriots failure to win Super Bowls is like Texans fans blaming Arian Foster because they stink in the playoffs. Paralysis by overanalysis.

    He's a great player, it isn't his decision to run the offense through him.  How about using Vereen more?  How about a receiver that can get open other than Welker?  

    They needed Gronkowski to be healthy, and they needed Talib to stay in the game. 

    It's about winning playoff games and playing your best in the end games. The Ravens got hot, they're not a great team on offense or defense. Same with the Giants in 2011.

    By the way, is Torrey Smith flashy? Victor Cruz? I'll take those guys, flashy or not.

     



    Its way too easy to point to a single moment in a game and define that game by that moment.  IMO, about the only time that makes any sense is if a FG kicker is set to kick a game winning or tying FG, and even then doing so diminishes what happened in the previous 60 minutes of the game. 

    RESPONSE: What are you talking about? No one here is blaming Welker for the loss to the Ravens. This thread isn't about Welker costing the Pats that playoff game. If you read my initial post to start this thread, you would know that. 

    In the pats playoff loss this year, the offense produced nearly 22 points (63%) below its regular season average.  By contrast, the defense gave up 7 points (25%) above its average.

    RESPONSE: Which jives with the article I posted above. 

    Not a fan of cold hard football facts.

    RESPONSE: Yes...yes. After all these years, we know how adverse you are to cold, hard facts...LOL!!

    All they do is mash already created stats and attempt to call them advanced metrics.  I do, however, give the creator/former food and beverage writer for the boston herald props for his success.  He's a great american story.

    RESPONSE: What are you babbling about now, Dog(ggggg)??

    Ultimately, my point is that I am not even sure the great patriots defenses of the early 00's could have produced a win given the pats poor offensive output.  The best defense in the NFL by pts allowed this year still gave up an average of more than 15 points per game.

    RESPONSE: This is because you do not understand the game. 

    Blame the D if you like, but if an organization has an offense that is supposed to produce and doesn't, it probably doesn't matter how great the d is.

    RESPONSE: Again...why don't you read my initial post before popping off. I blamed the loss primarily on poor line play (DL and OL), and poor red zone play. 

     

     



    TP - LOL you are so arrogant.

    RESPONSE: Arrogant??? For calling you on your BS?? 

    I wasn't responding to your post.  I was responding to Muzwell's.  I was agreeing with him, and then I was providing my further reasoning.

    RESPONSE: Your reasoning??? What did you do...cut and paste a couple of Rusty's posts???  

    On the other hand, yes I did mention my distaste for the website coldhardfootballfacts.com but you can spin as you like.

    RESPONSE: Spin?? While here, you have consistently ignored facts, and, by your own admission, misrepresented, misdirected, and flat out lied in past posts. Is it any wonder why you have no credibility?  

     




     
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