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     Compassion is a wonderful thing. But, where should it end? Should society be held responsible every time an adult makes a bad decision...or a financial decision that doesn't turn out right?

     I agree that the NFL should (and have, of late) done more about the health care issues of retired players. But, isn't that the call of the NFLPA, as much, if not more, than of the owners? Both sides must agree in order to allocate funds. Why is the blame being placed solely on the league?

     Should the NFL be blamed every time a player squanders the money he earned playing ball? Where does personal responsibility for bad decisions come in?

     Do you believe that the public should bail out every company or individual who fails financially?  Where does it end??

When I say NFL, I include the players. All I'm saying is, the NFL, players included, have the resources to help. So they should.

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     Apples and oranges. Taking care of the health needs of retired players is a completely different issue than the one being litigated. The concussion suits  blame the NFL for failing to warn of the dangers of concussions, and mis-diagnosing them.  

     Here's an article on one of the most recent suits filed on the concussion controversy. It gives a basic desciption of the issues involved: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/art-monk-is-lead-plaintiff-in-another-concussion-lawsuit-against-the-nfl/2012/05/10/gIQASGtOGU_blog.html

Players pay union dues right?  If so what does it cover?  Does anybody know?

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     Again...seeing that players have a good post-retirement health care plan is not the focus of this discussion. We're dealing here with the concussion lawsuits issue. 

     But, if you're interested in knowing about what benefits the retired players have, here they are: https://www.nflplayercare.com/Default.aspx

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That's a lot of benefits and much more than us common folks would receive for disability or retirement.
The one that stuck out was the $9000. a month for the death benefit for family.  I wonder if that was void due to the suicide.
Also common folks don't get a lifetime cash benefit for disability.  They get one lump sum payment depending on the severity of the disability.
I got a 28k payment for a 38% whole body disability (both shoulders w/ depression).  Whoopee!
The concussion thing, IDK.  What prevented them (the players) from researching them at the time.  I know when I hurt my shoulders, I became an expert on the subject.  LOL

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Greed? Are you serious? That is a pathetic thing to say. Players are generally not the most sophisticated people and teams and the league have been paying doctors (actual doctors who give actual advice to laymen who know they do not know much and are predisposed to fear losing their jobs if they are not on the field) to tell players that it is OK to get back on the field. THere should be some hefty law suits and the league and the doctors involved should lose big time.

But that does not mean that things can be done to minimize future health issues (making the most protective helmets a requirement and including new sensor based means of measuring potential harmful effects on individual players - this technology exists NOW) and the players better informed and so health issues can be optimized.

You on the other hand blame the players for the sins of the league, the teams, the doctors... and THEN you make a statement that essentially says that no matter how dangerous it is for players the fans should have the game the way they want it. Well, what if your season ticket came with a contract clause stating that if a player suffers a serious head injury or if it is found that he had a head injury in the game(s) you paid to see and there ended up some cumulative health problems you would be partially liable to pay a percentage of the health care costs? And a similar clause for gettting games on TV. I wonder if you would run the risk of watching.

Bottom line is that while there are abuses of suing in this country there are PLENTY of legitimate claims out there. And one reason why there are so many legitimate claims is that too many people are willing to cut corners or lie or cheat or look the other way because THEY are greedy and in fact so greedy that no religious, moral or ethical values guide their lives - and many of these people are self righteous and feel gleeful in pointing the finger of blame at others, especially in the political spectrum. So bottom line is that the fault lies in too many people being so greedy taht they will let harm befall others so they can make a buck. And they complain about things like safe food and drinking water or regulations so that medicines, machines, etc are safe.

You actually quote a movie! That is something! OK, how about this quote from Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World... (I am not singling out a particular group or making a "class" statement here; the point is about the general level of morality and ethics):

"Everybody pays taxes!- Even businessmen, who rob and cheat and steal from people everyday, even they have to pay taxes!". Well, maybe they do and maybe they dont but too many people take that approach to life. 

Hi ALL!  Hey, sorry I'm late to the party so I'll need some fill-in's right here...  See, I live in the world of unfitting analogies & a despicable hypocrisy of debased ideals, malleable solely towards my right-wing values & pocketbook...  Q: Any chance some fellow sl#meb#ll agenda driven outspoken conservative can bring back up to speed here? 


Also: If some of you guys can preach on a bit more regarding how the zillion dollar Players Union Association should've pushed for tougher injury-abating regulations in the league, Based off the fact about just how easy it was for the NFL Player workers to wrestle that 49% share from the Owners and League last offseason, That'd be great. 

Thanx in advance for the laughs.

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I am sorry but you are quite wrong on the basis for the suits. It had to do with willingly generating false information on the health hazards. It included paying doctors to state "independently" that there were no problems and at other times that at least no meaningful evidence. Putting out lies (you know Tex, "mis information") and using professionals willing to back them up... no Tex, there was more than mere sentiment. It has been based on ACTIONS taken by the persons and companies being sued which were very influential on how the public viewed their products.

You might have an opinion on climate change. Some of the same tactics are being used to generate misinformation (I am not advocating as to what to do or not do about it). But if you doubt the science of that then you are essentially buying in to the same thing the players and smokers have when they were mislead. And if you do not think we are being mislead by "deniers" here is a very simple but to the point analogy:

You have a fire in your house that almost kills your family and almost destroys your house. You bring in 100 fire cheifs and experts on fires in the home. 97 out of 100 of them tell you you have a serious wiring problem and if you dont do anything about it you will have another life threatening fire. 3 (three) out of 100 tell you that there is nothing you can do about it; fires are mostly just accidents. Would you ignore 97 of the 100 experts or would you feel a need to protect yourself, your wife and your children - not to mention your investment in your house.

Tex, I will add that there is CLEARLY pressure on players to get back in the game. ANd that is historically true throughout the history of the league. To think otherwise seems to be intentionally naive about the realities of the business and the world.

I heard that he was born with concussions, brain trauma, insomnia, depression, and dementia...  Yup- Very same guy told me that Easterling in fact, never actually even PLAYED Pro Football (photoshop forgery...clearly), and that this lawsuit was just a scam to send some down-and-out, just trying-to-make-ends-meet NFL Owner, straight to the poor-house...

No shame- Stop Whinin' and Get A Job pal...

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Sorry I asked a question,

Just so you know, Teddy Green's injury was not due to a normal in game collision. Basically an opposing player two handed him in the head crushing his skull. I know, I watched that game. 

Also, most discussions I've had with medical doctors about concussions and most of what I have read refer to the g's experienced in the collision not the speed the head was travelling at when it collided with something. I've also read in the New England Journal of Medicine that straight on collisions are not nearly as injurious as a colision that induces a twisting motion to the skull. So when you say a collision at six miles an hour causes a concussion, I don't know if you are quoting a source that was dumbing it down for us laymen or not. Hence my question.

As far as NASCAR is concerned I only mentioned them because there are many documented cases of their drivers crashing at 200 mph without getting a concussion. And 200 mph is much faster that 6 mph. Now I didn't say they never get concussions because I am pretty sure they do, but not everyone that crashes does and that was my point. The Hahns (sp) device was introduced to reduce the occurance of neck injuries during a crash, I believe the explanation at the time was the helmets were great at protecting the head but they were so heavy that neck fractures were occuring at relatively low speeds.

I read the article that you suggested that speaks to concussions happening at 6 mph. What it really was written about was whiplash and never mentions concussions. It was also an ambulance chaser's web site. I loved the "CALL A WHIPLASH ATTORNEY ASAP" message at the end.

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What?? They don't get paid enough to purchase a top notch health plan? Give me a break...they know the possibilities are out there, they choose not to spend a dime for their own welfare.

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Due to their jobs they were probably uninsurable by the insurance companies. So even if they knew the possibilities they were probably refused coverage.

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See how people say what was never written. I NEVER mentioned Ted Greens steel plate or his injury. Please read what was written. I said, John MacKenzie and Teddy Green BOTH stated that their Bells were always rung during the season, you said concusions are new to Hockey, please stick to what you write.
Also about the 6mph,  note your back tracking of , well MOST Nascar Drivers NEVER get concussions.(wow) Google it please, I dont have the time to waste trying to hand feed you real information, please continue to read 1 paragraph and make your own so called knowledge or continue to make it up as you go. Tell us, since Nascar is investigating the concussion issue, how you happen to have more knowledge about it than they do?.
You're too funny, you pick quotes or paragraphs then pretend you know what your talking about. Try researching the entire event before you have to back track lol.
 Also before you start trying to quote Newton and his laws, have someone explain them to you so you at least have an understanding of them before you make yourself look foolish again.
There are over 1000 ;links and 40 years of research history on the 6mph issue, again, go do some research and try reading before you pretend to knwo what the facts really are...
Have a nice day!!!

On another note:
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WEll LAzz, not to be condescending but from the way you speak on this matter, and call everyone else with the opposite opinion,

I call you out and give you the open floor!
Share with us please your expertise in your managing of your past business or businesses where you had employees that sued you, had injuries both real and non.
Tell us your legal trouble with them, how your attorney's handled the problems and how you settled the matters at hand.
Please relate to us the cost to you just in legal fee's without compensations paid out and or structured settlements.
And also, did you employees have a union? Your employees contracts if union, were they 2 ,3 or 5 year voting conditions or just common place with compliant job descriptions, insurance vouture's with selection of carrier or standard with adjustable deducatables?
Did you or do you offer stock options, 401k, reimbursement investment options, or straight shared dividends on company profit margins for advanced sale profits?

Because you see, these are all things in small business that are magnified at the NFL level.
These players and yes even in the 1980's are and were payed very well.

Sorry Lazz but, with the way you people are thinking try this out?

If any of you played football in your local high school or college and got hurt, say a broken bone, I want you to go to the head of that school and tell them you are going to sue them because the injury you sustaned has taken on new magnification and is ruining yoru life.
After all they made money seloling tickets to these games and after all you deserve compensation, you helped make that school what it is today.

So whats next, suits for broken fingers, hang nails and diaper rash?

Once again the NFL is worth billions and the sleazeballs will use any tactic and attorney to milk money from the cash cow.

Good luck Lazz with your buisnesses and I hope you have a great attorney that keeps people like this from taking your profits away from you.

One thing though Lazz, if the NFLPA is such a great union rep of the players why are these issues never put forth with the affect of player strikes?

I will answer it for you, its because the players salaries are so large and profit sharing so large,(unheard of anywhere else) that if they ever did strike, every other football player would line up and take less than half of what the NFL players receive.
And that goes for the 1980's players as well.

Sorry that people with other opinions have caused you to call us all slime and the such, but if you have better options then you need to be an attorney working for the players union and you will have my vote.

your still my Idol on this program, even if Im just a low life sleezee guy!If you have a good answer to this problem for these guys, I would be the first in line to hear it

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Prolate I understand what yoru saying, and by no means is this a simple issue. Anyone taking their own life is obviously suffering things no one else can see.
Who would ever have thought Junior Seau would take his own life.

But to just lay blame on the NFl and say that handing out money will cure all this is not the answer.
Mental illness either caused by a job realted injury or by food chemicals or by genes past on by family is still in a state of infancy.

The problems most opposed and thinking the NFl should just hand out money sets a precedent. If they just blindly agree then they set themselves up for future law suits so on and so on with matters totally insane to ridiculous.

The NFL will have to cave and pay some sort of settlement in good faith, but their attorney's will close the door and contracts restructured in the future that will most likely hurt players that have no financial knowledge, such as most of the players in the past.

The one part I laugh at here is those so adamant about it with no business experience or knwoledge at all. Until you have been in those shoes you have no idea the legal ramifications and costs. If you own a business and are not 10 steps ahead of your employees you are finished. And that is a fact. Your very own structural base will be the first and strongest to either steal from you or sue you into bankruptcy.
and All this while telling YOU how you should be running your buisness.
Have a great day everyone

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     You are getting hysterical...LOL!!! No one is saying that head injuries aren't tragic, or serious. The only question is...should the NFL be held liable for it.

     Grow-up!