Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense!

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    Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense!

    Don't know about many of you but I'm growing tired of the Pats style of Defense.  Yes, I know it's won three SB's and more but it's become so boring to watch!

    Back in the superbowl years, the defense was unpredictable.  The game plans were extremely creative i.e. VS Bledsoe/Bills when they lined up with no down lineman, etc..  QB's were confused and the defense created complete chaos! 

    I just don't understand how BB being a "defensive mind" has allowed his defensive unit to get so thin depth wise and not dictate the games like years past.   Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships.. Right?

    I hope he can prove me wrong or we're in for a long season.  I anticipate a lot of shootouts with teams because we'll score a ton of points but I'm afraid we'll allow a lot of points too. 

    Mayo out certainly doesn't help.  The depth behind him is unacceptable!
     
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    Time will tell how the 2009 version of the Patriots turns out. But I will have to agree that the defense has not been what I expect from a BB team. Aparently BB doesn't agree that D wins championships (see 2007 SB).  I think because BB wears Coach and GM hats he struggles with compiling talent and not mortgaging the teams future. If we win a SB this year I will concede that I am wrong. BTW, I'n not a vocal or in this case texting  basher of anything BB does (IBWT). Just a fan that remembers the past and is concered about  an upcomming game against what seems to be a much improved AFC East oponent..  I don't care for losing to the Jets.. oohh snap.. did I just crush my mouse and slam it against the wall..
     
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    [QUOTE]Don't know about many of you but I'm growing tired of the Pats style of Defense.  Yes, I know it's won three SB's and more but it's become so boring to watch! Back in the superbowl years, the defense was unpredictable.  The game plans were extremely creative i.e. VS Bledsoe/Bills when they lined up with no down lineman, etc..  QB's were confused and the defense created complete chaos!  I just don't understand how BB being a "defensive mind" has allowed his defensive unit to get so thin depth wise and not dictate the games like years past.   Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships.. Right? I hope he can prove me wrong or we're in for a long season.  I anticipate a lot of shootouts with teams because we'll score a ton of points but I'm afraid we'll allow a lot of points too.  Mayo out certainly doesn't help.  The depth behind him is unacceptable!
    Posted by deluxbury[/QUOTE]


    Let me see....the Pats give up 186 Passing yds to what is supposed to be an explosive offense with TO and Evans.
    The Pats give up 90 rushing yds.....
    The Pats give up 17 defensive points....
    The Pats get 4 sacks...2 of them right when we needed them most....we even had 1 called back because AD was dumb.....
    They do all this when we don't have Harrison, Assante Samuel, Hobbs, Bruschi, Vrabel and Mayo (for 3/4 of the game)....and you HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DEFENSE?!?!

    Are you that greedy?

    You don't like boring?  Well that is too bad.....I want a good defense and that is how they are playing right now.

    Maybe you should go cry on the Jets board.....you would fit in there......
     
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    Defense can only get better from here bro, we rebuilt our D so you have to give it time. Maybe this year they are a run of teh mill defense but next year they are shut down knock out defense. I mean you could deal with that in teh long run right? One year of young guys figuring it out as they go and then like 5 years of kick a ss D? It would be worth it right? The D will be fine as long as the offense scores points.
     
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    [QUOTE]Don't know about many of you but I'm growing tired of the Pats style of Defense.  Yes, I know it's won three SB's and more but it's become so boring to watch! Back in the superbowl years, the defense was unpredictable.  The game plans were extremely creative i.e. VS Bledsoe/Bills when they lined up with no down lineman, etc..  QB's were confused and the defense created complete chaos!  I just don't understand how BB being a "defensive mind" has allowed his defensive unit to get so thin depth wise and not dictate the games like years past.   Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships.. Right? I hope he can prove me wrong or we're in for a long season.  I anticipate a lot of shootouts with teams because we'll score a ton of points but I'm afraid we'll allow a lot of points too.  Mayo out certainly doesn't help.  The depth behind him is unacceptable!
    Posted by deluxbury[/QUOTE]

    Its a defense that limits the big play. You said it yourself its brought us 3 superbowls and very close to 5. Why are you tired of it again???
     
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    [QUOTE]Defense can only get better from here bro, we rebuilt our D so you have to give it time. Maybe this year they are a run of teh mill defense but next year they are shut down knock out defense. I mean you could deal with that in teh long run right? One year of young guys figuring it out as they go and then like 5 years of kick a ss D? It would be worth it right? The D will be fine as long as the offense scores point
    Posted by MVPkilla[/QUOTE]
    Granted the youngsters should get better with experience, but how much better and how much experience? There's no reason to think that guyton, woods and crable are ever going to be pro-bowl caliber LBs. At best I think they're JAGs but they have to improve a bunch even to reach that level. 
     If we don't get vastly improved LB play within the next couple of games, we could find ourselves with 4-5 losses in the first half of the season and out of the playoffs altogether. 
     
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    Re: Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense!

    Hey man, when you're right you're right.

    The Patriots have been arguably the best franchise in the NFL for almost ten years.

    They should probably change their approach.


    Good call.
     
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    Yes and the sky is in fact falling....
     
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    Yeah, this winning stuff is really starting to get to me.
     
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    In Response to Re: Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense!:
    [QUOTE]Hey man, when you're right you're right. The Patriots have been arguably the best franchise in the NFL for almost ten years. They should probably change their approach. Good call.
    Posted by prairiemike[/QUOTE]

    Right? How does any Patriot fan get sick of almost anything on this team. Were gonna go down as one of - if not The Best of all time!
     
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    And sometimes draft picks and free agent pick ups don't turn out to be either as good as expected or as good in the system as expected. 

    The possibility does exist that all of those superbowl playing and winning defensive players that are no longer around were much better than those the team currently has.
     
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    [QUOTE]Don't know about many of you but I'm growing tired of the Pats style of Defense.  Yes, I know it's won three SB's and more but it's become so boring to watch! Back in the superbowl years, the defense was unpredictable.  The game plans were extremely creative i.e. VS Bledsoe/Bills when they lined up with no down lineman, etc..  QB's were confused and the defense created complete chaos!  I just don't understand how BB being a "defensive mind" has allowed his defensive unit to get so thin depth wise and not dictate the games like years past.   Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships.. Right? I hope he can prove me wrong or we're in for a long season.  I anticipate a lot of shootouts with teams because we'll score a ton of points but I'm afraid we'll allow a lot of points too.  Mayo out certainly doesn't help.  The depth behind him is unacceptable!
    Posted by deluxbury[/QUOTE]

    That's because there was a little thing called spygate during the Super Bowl years.  It's not that easy when you don't know the answers to the test is it?  Has anyone else noticed the defense has been on the decline since Bill was caught for cheating and he was forced to give up his porno collection. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense!:
    [QUOTE]And sometimes draft picks and free agent pick ups don't turn out to be either as good as expected or as good in the system as expected.  The possibility does exist that all of those superbowl playing and winning defensive players that are no longer around were much better than those the team currently has.
    Posted by underdogg[/QUOTE]

    Yup.

    Can't really argue with that logic.

    And while we're at it, we may as well also mention that the possiblity does exist that water is wet and the sky could, perhaps. appear blue most of the time.
     
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    Without a doubt you are correct pmike.  Its just that my statement seems to be the one that most don't want to consider even when its (as you pointed out) as logical as wet water and blue skies.
     
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    I just miss the old Patriots defense from the 01, 03, 04 seasons that won those Super Bowls, remember all the great talk about how Belichick was a defensive genius and you never knew what he was planning? It seems like all that has decipated the last few years..maybe I'm wrong though. It's all about the Patriot offense, which I wouldn't trade for the world, but I loved those old Patriot games with no-name wide receivers and Brady making something out of nothing and the defense being the key, however I realized looking back at all of the past 4 Super Bowls, the defense allowed each team they played to get back into the game in the 4th quarter and keep it close. So maybe the defense wasn't as great as I thought, but having to worry about scoring 40 or 50 points a game this season..that's unsettling.
     
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    [QUOTE]Without a doubt you are correct pmike.  Its just that my statement seems to be the one that most don't want to consider even when its (as you pointed out) as logical as wet water and blue skies.
    Posted by underdogg[/QUOTE]

    You state the obvious. Of course at this point the players on the superbowl teams were better. The defense now is young and hasn't been there YET but any team that Belichick has put together has a damn good chance of getting there. Why would people not want to consider this? The question you should be concerned with right now is what can Peyton do without 2 prolific wrs for the first time in his career?
     
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    Yes and as logical as Bill pollian being a scum bag.
     
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    Hey dogg, you ain't gonna get no argument from me.

    I would love to see vintage Bruschi and Harrison and Vrabel back there for the rest of eternity. But you and I both know that isn't the way the world works.

    The new defense gave up 17 points to a middling NFL offense. They took away the biggest weapons (the wideouts) and lived with what they had to give up -- which, in my mind, was a lot. I don't want to see screen passes going for twenty yards -- but that's what happened.

    17 points.

    That's what the defense gave up.

    The offense, for its part, scored 25, with a little help from a kind of dumb@ss play by my man Leodis. So if you take away the turnovers from each team, it's 18-17 Pats, and that's without the missed field goal and the blown fourth down opportunities and the two-point conversions. Finish a couple drives in style instead of in toe-shoes and this game is a flat blowout.

    Look at the time of possession.

    Look at the yardage.

    I hate statistics (you should know that by now), but the final score simply did not accurately depict what happened in this game.

    No, the defense was not stellar, but it certainly did enough to give the Pats a chance to win.

    Which they did.

    Without luck of any kind.
















     
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    I missed almost the entire game due to my finance needing to go to the ER for her appendix so I spent all night at the hospital so I didnt really get to see the D play but if teh D was as good as PMike says they were only allowing 17 points then maybe i dont have as much cause for concern as i thought.
     
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    what would good old celli say, hmm?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense! : Granted the youngsters should get better with experience, but how much better and how much experience? There's no reason to think that guyton, woods and crable are ever going to be pro-bowl caliber LBs. At best I think they're JAGs but they have to improve a bunch even to reach that level.   If we don't get vastly improved LB play within the next couple of games, we could find ourselves with 4-5 losses in the first half of the season and out of the playoffs altogether. 
    Posted by unclealfie[/QUOTE]

    pats had only two pro-bowl caliber LBs in Bruschi and MCGinest and each only for a year.  Please let's not over romatcize the defenses of 5-8 years ago
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense! : Let me see....the Pats give up 186 Passing yds to what is supposed to be an explosive offense with TO and Evans. The Pats give up 90 rushing yds..... The Pats give up 17 defensive points.... The Pats get 4 sacks...2 of them right when we needed them most....we even had 1 called back because AD was dumb..... They do all this when we don't have Harrison, Assante Samuel, Hobbs, Bruschi, Vrabel and Mayo (for 3/4 of the game)....and you HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DEFENSE?!?! Are you that greedy? You don't like boring?  Well that is too bad.....I want a good defense and that is how they are playing right now. Maybe you should go cry on the Jets board.....you would fit in there......
    Posted by m1020us[/QUOTE]

    Much of the last several years the Pats have played passive defense.  It is much different from the 03 and 04 seasons when they DICTATED the game.  Maybe it's Peese VS Crennel but I'll take a dominant defense over an explosive offense any day of the week.  I guarantee we won't be winning any superbowls until our defense is dominant - again. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Defense can only get better from here bro, we rebuilt our D so you have to give it time. Maybe this year they are a run of teh mill defense but next year they are shut down knock out defense. I mean you could deal with that in teh long run right? One year of young guys figuring it out as they go and then like 5 years of kick a ss D? It would be worth it right? The D will be fine as long as the offense scores points.
    Posted by MVPkilla[/QUOTE]

    MVP:  We rebuilt our Defense?  Half our defense are on these 1 year contracts.  I guess I'm just frustrated that BB has been extremely selective with creating LB depth to the point we have none! 
     
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    [QUOTE]I missed almost the entire game due to my finance needing to go to the ER for her appendix so I spent all night at the hospital so I didnt really get to see the D play but if teh D was as good as PMike says they were only allowing 17 points then maybe i dont have as much cause for concern as i thought.
    Posted by MVPkilla[/QUOTE]

    Dude, I hope she's okay.

    My best friend back home blew his appendix in his late twenties and came just about that close to cashing it all in.

    We kid and all that, but hey man, I hope everything's okay.


    The Pats' defense is the LAST thing you shoud be worried about, bro.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense! : Its a defense that limits the big play. You said it yourself its brought us 3 superbowls and very close to 5. Why are you tired of it again???
    Posted by TrueChamp[/QUOTE]

    Our defense was totally different back in 01, 03, and 04.  While the concepts might be tyhe same, we were much more aggressive and dictated what the offense did.  Now we seem much more passive.  If we were a little more aggressive in 07 we likely would have won the SB! 

    I thought last year with the hiring of Capers it was in an effort to become more aggressive.  Didn't happen!
     
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