Hardesty to visit the Pats

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    Hardesty to visit the Pats

    He had a monster season in the SEC...I would take him in the second. We have no 3rd(as of yet).

     
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    He had a monster season in the SEC...I would take him in the second. We have no 3rd(as of yet).
    Posted by patriots1a2

    I agree
     
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    He has speed and power. I'd have no problem with picking this kid.

     
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    id rather have some of the other RBs that are gonna go in the second round range
    like whitey dillon AKA Tobias Gerhart
    or Jahvid Best [K-Faulk Jr.+more speed]
    but Montario would be a good option a little later than the second round, i think 3rd round is still to early
     
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    definitely someone to consider
     
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    He rates out pretty good in size and explosion compared to what's out there.  If he falls through the cracks, BB will go get him. 
     
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    This guy is a 3rd round pick IMO. We don't have one so I would rather see Blount drafted with a late 2nd round pick!
     
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    Id 3 , but not 2. This draft is way to important , I mean the last couple have really hurt this team. Look at last year , we could have had Matthews and/or Lauriniatis/Maualuga. Now were still looking for both I/OLB! I really think that mistake will haunt this team for years to come.

     
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    We need a punter
     
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    if he is available in the middle of the second i would pick him up in a heartbeat.  the kid is a runner and he can catch out of the backfield.  he is one of my favorite backs in this years class.  i would be more than happy to see him come in next year and add some much needed youth to this group of runners.

     
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    To ALL:

    Overall, I totally hate this Hardesty thing...see, he simply fits far too well so it's completely unlikely he'll come here.

    Hardesty IS that @ least 6'0 and 225lb or more RB with just decent enough speed @ 4.41 40, WHO can just as easily run between the tackles AND be a home-run threat as well.  He doesn't have those lightning fast cuts, but see it doesn't matter... Hardesty's best traits are that he hits the hole fast and hard and breaks tackles and falls forward...I HATE that considering it'll stop those gap-shooting quicker D-Lineman from spearheading in at Brady and all-the-while-NOT fearing NE's run game with Maroney's size and hesitancy.  I mean seriously, the fact that NE employs somewhat smaller, more agile-for-the-passing game Offensive Lineman, so they don't simply engulf D-Lineman the way that teams that like bigger O-Lines do (Philly, Dallas).  Also, the fact that NE uses a type of zone-blocking in their overall run schemes, can ONLY help someone like Hardesty hitting the hole quickly and with authority...So THAT s#x. 
         Pssh, even the fact that NE has had previous success with these at times, nominally skilled Bigger backs, let alone good ones in Dillon, Antoine Smith, and even in 2007 with Sammy Morris...That right there-Past Precedent-should be reason enough to steer clear of this dude...  Also, He's a team leader and hard worker, so dear god!  Forget it...  I mean, Montario Hardesty's imo ONLY saving grace is his multiple leg injuries...YET, when added to all his other positive traits, even THAT ain't good enough to actually draft him, he fits so well. 

    ~Personally, I'd go the following route on Draft Day:

    Rd 1: Punter  -Now this would give NE, no doubt, their choice of ANY punter. But I don't want just any punter...I'm in almost all probability passing on at least the Top 4 Punters.  I want my Punter NO bigger than 5'11, so he can be quick and a good ST last-line-of-D excellent tackler.  Skill-wise, I'm not looking for far, deep kicks, But high shallow kicks, So a lesser average imo is probably a prerequisite.  But in NO way, does that mean I want a Punter with decent kick placement-I care far more about touchbacks than I do about sinkin' that ball on a dead-drop @ the 4 yard line with some potential for a huge kick-return by the opposition.  Alright, so I got My Punter.

    Rd 2 (Pick 1): Tight End  -NE really has to get at least another TE.  Seeing as how our team vatly underuses the spot, and mainly uses TE as a good-blocker but still a TE that's at least some semblance of at least a minor pass-threat.  And even though we just signed in FA a perfect fit there, NE does need another.  But, again I ain't just lookin' for any ole' TE.  This selection should be best used on a college TE with a yet-to-be-defined NFL role.  The TE should be NO taller than 6'1-maybe 6'2 only IF he's just a hair over 200lbs.  He should be a very good pass-catcher, but largely incompitent at blocking with nothing below a sub 4.85 speed (ideally 4.9 though).  Someone exactly like Garrett Mills (maybe I can actually draft him again).  Good, TE is set.

    Rd 2 (Pick 2): Runningback  -NE trully DOES need some sort of a running game desperately.  Now NE has smaller, pass-blocking O-Lineman in a form of zone scheme, so a Bigger back makes far too much sense.  I want my RB right around 5'9 and 180-something lbs, but with absolutely blazing speed (at least 4.45 40).  Also, IF the RB was the feature game of the Offense for 4 entire seasons-That to me, Does not say "wear and tear" issues, but "experience."  Also, with Faulk up there in age, I don't wanna get a replacement, so the RB should really have hands of stone, but again-fast, great routes, and decent blocking.  Finally, I'd really like that this RB played in a sub-par Collegiate Conference...but it's not an absolute neccesity if it's a mid-conference major like the WAC or Sun-Belt (i ain't dealing with no SEC or ACC stuff).  Great, we got our feature RB. 

    Rd 2 (Pick 3): Inside Linebacker  -Good, Guyton trully showed that he didn't have either the bulk or smash-mouth mentality to be a true 3-4 Strongside Inside Linebacker...and Seau can't fill in forever.  NE really does NEED a true 3-4 SILB.  But again, finding a Ted Johnson ain't easy.  A true 3-4 SILB would be around 6'2 at least and at @ 255lbs at least, So I'm looking for roughly a 6'1 guy @ abouts 235lbs.  Someone actually with EXACTLY the measurables of Guyton (but smaller and far slower).  Now, IF I could draft Tyrone McKenzie again (@ 6'1 and @ 240lbs and running like a 4.8 40), then even better.  But honestly, It's not so much that I want him to be excellent on passing downs and thus be a 3-down lineman, OR have some sort of at the very least 2-3 decent inside pass-rushing moves...NO.  I want my SILB to be a smaller, slower, but total form tackler that will get caught up in the trash, but has UNREAL intangibles-like leadership.

    Rd 4Wide Receiver  -Seeing that NE has a still very inexperienced rookie at slot-but with decent potential, and a veteran somewhat past his prime at #1 WR-but one that still commands fear, NE does though need a 3rd pass-catching option for the #2 WR role.  Now, I'd like him to be able to be fearless going over the middle, have decent enough speed, but pretty soft hands...Altogether 3 important qualities of a possession receiver.  I will certainly have to forsake other qualities by adhering to those 1st 3:  So I couldn't care one bit IF he could run a route tree to save his life, OR IF he's had a myriad of multiple injuries and tears (ideally he should still be injured, to hopefully get a draft "steal"), OR IF he's an absolute locker room plague with character concerns.  Again: Soft hands, just O.k. speed, fearlessness over the middle, and massive overall "potential."  I'm thinking someone like a cross between Brandon Tate and Chad Jackson would be ideal.  

    Rd 6 (Pick 1): Outside Linebacker  -NE ideally needs 2, so you want to begin targeting your 1st OLB right about here.  This Draft offers very limited Strongside OLB potential for 3-4 D's...But it does have a few weakside 3-4 OLB pass-rushing specialists.  Unfortunately, even though this Draft is considerably deep, ALL the top OLBs should very much be off the board.  Either way, a couple guys tend to slip down a bit every so often.  But those OLBs obviously have slipped for a reason, SO I'm ideally targeting an OLB that's a multi-round reach, and thus is projected to be an UnDrafted Free Agent.  So, we'll get an unheralded steal with unreal potential who's slipped through the cracks somehow.  I want my OLB ideally 6'1-hopefully 6'2-6'3, with a really good timed speed and who has the bulk to take on OTs on blitzes...Yet lol, those guys are long, long gone.  So, you're ONLY hope is to target the big-bust potential college DEs that'll have to transfer to Pro OLB, in order to have ANY of those qualities.  So, in all-IF I get a multi-rd reach "steal", It'll still ideally be a 3-4 year process for the conversion, technique, and New Pro Defense shift.  OLB done. 

    Round 6 (Pick 2):  TRADE SCENARIO.  With this 2nd Rd 6 selection I'm going to trade into the earlier regions of Rd 6, once again to be garnered in the upcoming 2012 Draft.  NE still has several areas and positions to shore up overall, but this deal is simply too good to pass on.  Ideally you're targeted trade partners should be teams like Indy, Pittsbrgh, New O, or San D.

    Round 7 (pick 1): Cornerback  -NE does have to develop a decent CB core.  There's always injuries and after Bodden/Butler, there's really zilch.  A decent enough rookie has GO to be better than the Wilhite/Wheatley duo...and a rook hopefully can be good enough here to be placed initially into a limited role @ nickel CB, or at least be good camp competition.  Yet, Imho BB was onto something with that W & W duo...Smaller CBs seem to be the norm these days.  Smaller guys sometimes are quicker, more agile, with greater fluidity.  So I mean, the smaller the better than right?  Also, the fact that NE really only tends to use their CBs sporadically to help on run D, should seal the smaller stature aspect.  The CB should be NO taller than 5'7 and weigh no more than approx 160lbs.  Production and Skill mean nothing here.  Great- 1 nickel CB.

    Round 7 (pick 2): Defensive End  -Wow, ANYone who can even potentially be a decent 3-4 DE, Is just gone halfway through Rd 2 in almost every case.  So your best bet is to go with a 4-3 undersized 1 gap DT, and attempt to place them in a 3-4 DE role.  So, NE should target a guy @ 6'2 and over 300-310lbs.  See, standard 3-4 guys usually cover 2 gaps (with ideally occupying 2 O-Lineman), to allow he OLB free range.  So I want my DT very, very strong in several aspects, speed and quickness is by NO means important at all.  Hopefully, you're looking for some Combine freak that for some unspecified reason, didn't produce on the field of play at all.  Imho, the better and MORE combine events mastered, the better your prospect is going to be.  3-4 DE game, set, match.
     
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    This guy is a 3rd round pick IMO. We don't have one so I would rather see Blount drafted with a late 2nd round pick!
    Posted by SidewayZ29
    Blount has fallen faster than the stock market if you really want him he'll be available in the 4th round. Hardesty might be a late 3rd choice,Tate is another of those backs who fall into the 3rd to 4th round range as does Dixon. If I were BB I wouldn't waste an early pick on a RB I would wait and see what falls to them at their 4th round pick,if none of the backs they want fall,then they can just sign Willie Parker or Westbrooks.
     
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    This guy is a 3rd round pick IMO. We don't have one so I would rather see Blount drafted with a late 2nd round pick!
    Posted by SidewayZ29

    I have changed my position on this kid. I would like to see him drafted possibly in the second round.
     
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    Laz do you have BB's personal phone number. By the way he is going TE in the 1st, then punter in the 2nd.
    Posted by bobbysu


    bobbysu...

    Man, I love Belichick as the coach of my favorite team, but dear lord-since roughly 2005 or so, Usually ANY and EVERY single pick has been freakin' awful (and NE has been essentially one, if not the very top team in sheer number of draft selections).  And for some reason, NOT First Round Selections...In the first round, Belichick far more often than not, DOES his actual homework-finds a vastly skilled player, that fits physically and schematically, and again-Usually are consensus 1st rd talents (I mean, who has he trully "reached" greatly for in Rd 1?  Really 1 player: Logan Mankins...wow, a consensus 2nd-maybe early 3rd rd talent, not bad)...

    But again, THIS ain't always the case, It's simply a much BETTER case of drafting within the past 5 years of guys in Rds 2-6 of these drafts...but again, NOT always does BB select a great 1st rder.  See, when Belichick DOES select a failed 1st rder and/or very average 1st rd player, Again-It's NOT because they're players of the lesser talent and overall skill found most (or moreso) often in Later Rounds...BB drafts bad (when he actually does draft bad)-IN ROUND 1, Because Bill Belichick for some oddity, Drafts these usually talented and skilled consensus Rd 1 players, WHO Absolutely Are the WORST possible fit for BOTH: the system he's set-up already and/or the players already on his team and/or the success of a these certain players with specific skills that have been working well within THAT system.
        
         Which means:  Hey, Alright NE wants a TE=Ben Watson...and so even though Daniel Graham has worked out pretty wonderfully in this system with his great blocking, just decent enough pass-catching-threat potential, and strengthened by Graham's intelligent, hard-working, blue-collar mentality and heads up play, WOW-That means...NE should really go with someone like Benjamin Watson with great pass-catching potential, blazing speed, p!ss-pour Football awareness and IQ and originally-atrocious blocking.  Yup, IF its been working...man, we must be doin' something wrong, right?
         Oh...Another 1st Round Example:  Lawrence Maroney.  So O.k., great, We got a smaller, zone-blocking line, coupled with Bad weather and often Bad field conditions, coupled with a QB who's very best-trait is stepping up in the pass-pocket, coupled with multiple already successful quick-to-the-hole, Bigger RBs in Antoine Smith and Corey Dillon = Obviously, a need to draft a much smaller RB @ 5'11 and 210-15lbs or so who patiently waits for the running lanes to develop from our smaller O-Line that can't engulf D-Lineman for as long or as well, AND Has Very good speed but is too small for such between-the-tackles tough running we've benefitted from and which fits our QBs overall play in the pocket, Oh-AND He's fast enough to turn the play outside with a long potential homerun-threat, but with bad weather and bad field preconditions coupled with ALL the other totally unfitting aspects and some concerns about a massive collegiate workload of wear and tear, YUP=Gotta be the PERFECT fit!
         Final Example of Bill Belichick in Round 1 Drafting highly skilled and quality players (i.e. NO multi-round "reaches"), BUT players who simply Do NOT fit, or Do NOT fit as well as what HAS been working already...Example: Chad Jackson (yea, Rd 2, but gimme a break, He was like the 1st or 2nd pick of Rd 2-so c'mon).  So yea, Alright, Looks like We got ourselves something really special @ the QB position in Tom Brady.  O.k., what does he like: Alright, He's an ABSOLUTE field tactician that diagnoses and tears D's apart in his head BEFORE the play has even started...so yea, Our QB wants to be on the EXACT same page as his receiver.  So that means, more than anything, our QB would work well with: A Very intelligent WR, and one who knows and can diagnose D's too, and being on the same page AND seeing as how we have one of the most complicated Offenses in the league, We really do NEED guys to be precisely WHERE they are and are suppossed to be, precisely WHEN they're suppossed to be.  But hey- That whole "good fit" thingey is pretty much out the window, cause Looks like we got ourselves some mutant of nature, speed, insane cutting, strong man-child, Physical Freak of nature wideout named, Chad Jackson!  I mean, he can't run a route tree or diagnose a Defense 1 single bit lol, BUT think a' those Yards AFTER the CATCH he'll get...it'll be unreal!

    Again, but at least Bill Belichick seems to at least attempt to not be imbec!lic when Drafting his 1st rders within the past 5-6 Drafts...  Cause honestly, pretty much AFTER Rd 1, Belichick's favorite pastime appears to be Drafting THESE exact same total and utter NON-scheme fitting players, compared to those already proven players he DOES have and WHO have already been working, AND within these 2nd-6th rds, BB goes even MORE insane lately:  O.k., TOTAL non-fit for our scheme and current plays and personell, CHECK.  MULTIPLE Round "Reach" for a player when far, far more consensus skilled players are still on the Overall Draft Board, CHECK.  O.k., IF player has had EXCELLENT college production-Then we'd like him to have an insane injury history, BUT IF- No on the above part, We need player who has had nearly ZERO college on-field production-Yet had won 12 differing shuttle and jumping contests at the Combine, CHECK!  I figure We'll Draft 47 guys over the past 5-6 years, and We'll hit on some freak talent on a couple of them within these Rds 2-6...Sebastian Vollmer (last year) and Tom Brady (a decade ago) imo totally make up for 53 current Burger King employess in that 5-6 year span...

    ~I know I'll get slammed for this, and YES I LOVE having Coach BB as my team's coach...but dang, he can't even try to draft any worse lately...     
     

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