Hartline receives contract to pay him "just under" $7 million a year!

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    Hartline receives contract to pay him "just under" $7 million a year!

    Are you kidding me?  Outragous!  Especially for a guy who had only one good year, nothing special. 

    Glad the Patriots didn't chase this guy, that is way too much.  The Phins have the cap space to handle the deal but still, that is a ton of money for a #2 caliber receiver.


    Here is the write up ....

    The Dolphins' contract with free agent Brian Hartline is expected to pay him "just under" $7 million a year.

     

    It's a pricey sum for an average, No. 2-caliber receiver, but Miami is loaded with salary cap space and Hartline otherwise would've hit the market as a top-five or six wideout. An announcement of the deal appears to be imminent.

     

     
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    Are you kidding me?  Outragous!  Especially for a guy who had only one good year, nothing special. 

    Glad the Patriots didn't chase this guy, that is way too much.  The Phins have the cap space to handle the deal but still, that is a ton of money for a #2 caliber receiver.


    Here is the write up ....

    The Dolphins' contract with free agent Brian Hartline is expected to pay him "just under" $7 million a year.

     

    It's a pricey sum for an average, No. 2-caliber receiver, but Miami is loaded with salary cap space and Hartline otherwise would've hit the market as a top-five or six wideout. An announcement of the deal appears to be imminent.

     



    What a dumb contract.  If Wes is expecting a deal consistent with how much better he is than Hartline then we are going to let him walk.

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?



    Hartline had one monster game and a ton of below average ones last season.  Christ there was a game where he didn't record a catch.  He hasn't shown anything close to Wes' consistency or overall production.

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?

     



    Hartline had one monster game and a ton of below average ones last season.  Christ there was a game where he didn't record a catch.  He hasn't shown anything close to Wes' consistency or overall production.

     



    Otherwise known as the Brady effect ( sorry Rusty) 

    Phins assuming Hartline will help Tanneyhill progression, and getting Wallace will also help Hartline.

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?




    Pats don't want to pay Wes 9 mil, 8 would be pushing it. This contract is a bit much for an injury prone guy.

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?

     



    Hartline had one monster game and a ton of below average ones last season.  Christ there was a game where he didn't record a catch.  He hasn't shown anything close to Wes' consistency or overall production.

     



    this...

    Yet another move made by a dumb franchise. I'm guessing they are still feeling the sting of letting a young WR with promise go and overpaid this one to keep him. Though I wouldn't mind Hartline on the Pats either. Now let them pay 12mil for Wallace and I'll be rofl at how they used all that cap space

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?

     




    Pats don't want to pay Wes 9 mil, 8 would be pushing it. This contract is a bit much for an injury prone guy.

     



    The Pats paid Wes more than 9 this year. Seems under $7 is reasonable for Hartline

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?




    Not sure you are serious.  $7 million for Hartline is about $3.5 million per year too much.  He hasn't proved himself yet.  He had one good season, he is a good # 2 receiver.  No way is he worth $7 million per year, to ask Welker to take less then $8 million compared to this Hartline deal would be ignorant and a complete joke.

    Deals like this put the Patriots in a real bad situation with Welker contract talks.

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?

     




    Pats don't want to pay Wes 9 mil, 8 would be pushing it. This contract is a bit much for an injury prone guy.

     

     



    The Pats paid Wes more than 9 this year. Seems under $7 is reasonable for Hartline

     

     




    He played under the CAP which is actually a penalty for the teams using it. The player takes a risk in that he may be injured.

     

    Never equate CAP money with a Contract money, totally night and day.

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?

     




    Pats don't want to pay Wes 9 mil, 8 would be pushing it. This contract is a bit much for an injury prone guy.

     

     



    The Pats paid Wes more than 9 this year. Seems under $7 is reasonable for Hartline

     

     




    He played under the CAP which is actually a penalty for the teams using it. The player takes a risk in that he may be injured.

     

    Never equate CAP money with a Contract money, totally night and day.



    So if Wes signs gor 3/27 or more, is Hartline a good signing at 3/$18? Seems with the Phins cap space and Tannyhill developing, this is z good move

    for less than 3/18, I bet the Pats sre on him, passing on Wes

     
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    Re: Hartline receives contract to pay him

    weren't his numbers like 69 rec for 1,000+ yards ??

     
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    If Wes signs for $9m why is Hartline for $7 a bad deal?

     




    Pats don't want to pay Wes 9 mil, 8 would be pushing it. This contract is a bit much for an injury prone guy.

     

     



    The Pats paid Wes more than 9 this year. Seems under $7 is reasonable for Hartline

     

     




    He played under the CAP which is actually a penalty for the teams using it. The player takes a risk in that he may be injured.

     

    Never equate CAP money with a Contract money, totally night and day.

     



    So if Wes signs gor 3/27 or more, is Hartline a good signing at 3/$18? Seems with the Phins cap space and Tannyhill developing, this is z good move

     

    for less than 3/18, I bet the Pats sre on him, passing on Wes




    We'll see, Welker has the numbers but his age is a negative to some. Hartline is only 27 so he will have less concerns with age versus Welker.

    I believe Welker is still hung up on the number of years he wants and money second, time will tell.

     
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    Re: Hartline receives contract to pay him

    Correct me if I am wrong, but don't #1 WR's get 10+ million?

    #2 WR's should gett between 6-9 per year then?

    We were all thrilled that we were paying Lloyd like an expensive #3 (5m) when he was in fact going to be our #2. Turns out he actually is just a very good #3 though:-)

    Wes puts up reception/yac numbers like a #1 but is a system guy who scores TD's and gets total yardage numbers like a #2. Asking for 9 million is like asking to be paid like the best handful of #2 WR's in the game, which he clearly would be in NE for 2-3 more years.

    Harline is like a Lloyd, a very good #3, but Miami is a crummy team with $ who he'll be a #2 option for... so sure, they overpaid by 2m, who cares. It shouldn't affect Wes. He knows his value is 9m for the #'s he will drop here, its comes down to the Pats wanting him to take a discount and seeing if other teams, where he might be a 60 catch #3 WR, would pay him that much.

     
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    Re: Hartline receives contract to pay him

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    weren't his numbers like 69 rec for 1,000+ yards ??




    That was his best season out of 4 years and he only had 1 td.  Prior to last year his best year was 615 yards.  Brandon Lloyd had a better season then Hartline yet I wouldn't come anywhere near the $7 million per year range for Lloyd.

     
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    BTW, Hartline has been compared to Jordy Nelson who just happens to be making $3.5 million per year.  Glad the Dolphins signed Hartline, I sure wouldnt have wanted the Pats to him at $$6.5 - 7 mill per yr.

     
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    weren't his numbers like 69 rec for 1,000+ yards ??



    but a large portion of that came off of a couple games. He was wildly inconsistent. The guy had 6 sub 50 games with a 7th exactly at 50. Just for example with that Ari game he averaged 67.7 yrds a game which is respectable #1/2 WR numbers. Take that 1 game out and he drops to 55.3 yrds a game. Still not bad but that's a massive drop because of one game.

    As a contrast Welker had 2 sub 50 games (one at 48) and had 5 games above 100.

    Comparing standard deviation Welkers is 34.5yrds per game Hartlines is 58.8yrds per game

    Those are massive differences which point to Hartline not being anywhere close to Welker's numbers. Is Hartline a good WR, sure but he's wildly inconsistent and paying him that much is a bit much. But, who knows if he can get consistency that $7mil might be warrented

     
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    weren't his numbers like 69 rec for 1,000+ yards ??

     



    but a large portion of that came off of a couple games. He was wildly inconsistent. The guy had 6 sub 50 games with a 7th exactly at 50. Just for example with that Ari game he averaged 67.7 yrds a game which is respectable #1/2 WR numbers. Take that 1 game out and he drops to 55.3 yrds a game. Still not bad but that's a massive drop because of one game.

     

    As a contrast Welker had 2 sub 50 games (one at 48) and had 5 games above 100.

    Comparing standard deviation Welkers is 34.5yrds per game Hartlines is 58.8yrds per game

    Those are massive differences which point to Hartline not being anywhere close to Welker's numbers. Is Hartline a good WR, sure but he's wildly inconsistent and paying him that much is a bit much. But, who knows if he can get consistency that $7mil might be warrented




    Good post PatsEng!  I always like posts that have good supporting numbers and facts!

     
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    This was about what I expected for him. At age 27 he is developing as a receiver. He was playing for a disfunctional offense his first three years which happily was shipped to the Jets last year (smile!)

    And yes - his production was about the same as Lloyd playing with a rookie. People forget that Lloyd's free agent deal last year was seen as a huge bargain for the Pats. 70+rec/1000yds receivers get paid - look at rosters around the league and those guys are getting 6-7M.

    In comparison with Welker he has three advantages: Age, Speed, and the perception as an outside guy vs. slot. Welker has the advantage on production and track record.

     
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    To me he is similar to Lloyd, but younger...maybe a bit faster and a little bigger. He gets a little bit of seperation - not a ton - and catches it. He doesn't have that run after the catch ability (same as Lloyd) and he doesn't have that deep speed. I'll take a lttle bit lesser of a talent for half the price in lloyd.

     
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    Re: Hartline receives contract to pay him

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    weren't his numbers like 69 rec for 1,000+ yards ??

     



    but a large portion of that came off of a couple games. He was wildly inconsistent. The guy had 6 sub 50 games with a 7th exactly at 50. Just for example with that Ari game he averaged 67.7 yrds a game which is respectable #1/2 WR numbers. Take that 1 game out and he drops to 55.3 yrds a game. Still not bad but that's a massive drop because of one game.

     

    As a contrast Welker had 2 sub 50 games (one at 48) and had 5 games above 100.

    Comparing standard deviation Welkers is 34.5yrds per game Hartlines is 58.8yrds per game

    Those are massive differences which point to Hartline not being anywhere close to Welker's numbers. Is Hartline a good WR, sure but he's wildly inconsistent and paying him that much is a bit much. But, who knows if he can get consistency that $7mil might be warrented



    Otherwise known as the Brady factor

     
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