Re: Has anybody seen Rusty?
posted at 12/2/2011 12:50 PM EST
In Response to Re: Has anybody seen Rusty?
In Response to Re: Has anybody seen Rusty? : Spin it all you want. You were here in the union and non union debates during the lockout. The month isn't important, counselor. February isn't "spring" where I come from and your arrogance is again shown where you expect me to know you are posting as a teacher on a Pats board. Good day. PS The union was wrong/lost with the owners doing very well to go above and beyond to end the lockout. Well handled by the owners and eventually by the stubborn union, but wasted time, money, etc, and many teams have been ruined due to injuries with a battle they were going to lose, not having the leverage. But, keep spinning. It was a lockout and owners got what they wanted.
Posted by RidingWithTheKingII
I don't expect you to know anything. I stated it like a hundred times, and you are telling me you "sniffed it out" like I was hiding it or something.
That is the point of me saying it ... stop saying I'm hiding it ... or lieing about it ... because I'm not and I don't appreciate being called a liar. It has nothing to do with you knowing or not knowing ... I don't care.
No ... the owners didn't get what they wanted ... they wanted something close to 11% and got something closer to 1%, and they settled in front of a judge (Arthur Boylan) they literally tried to bar from the case by motioning to move the whole thing to the NLRB.
Here is what it was before the lockout ... the offer the owners walked away from and prompted the lockout with.
"Owners have asked for an additional $1 billion credit -- or $2 billion in total -- before they split "total revenue" with players."
"Wednesday's meeting in Washington started badly, one source said, when the owners' negotiating team interpreted the union's proposal of a 49 percent to 51 percent take as "total revenue," instead of the union's intended percentage take of "all revenue."
One billion is 11%, and that was before the extra adjustments they were asking for. The article was after the last/only offer by the NFLPA in February. The owners walked away. Again, that was in February, before the lockout.
"Among the details NFL commissioner Roger Goodell revealed to owners Tuesday at the league's meeting in Rosemont, Ill., is that in the next proposed agreement players will receive a 48 percent share of "all revenue," without the $1-billion-plus credit off the top that had been a point of contention in earlier negotiations, according to sources familiar with the presentation."
This article is from late June, and reflects the final CBA at about 48% with another percent. As the final details came out, it was confirmed that the union was getting close to another percent, but for the veterans' committee. So in the end, something close to 49% total, which was the NFLPA's starting offer that the owners walked from.
The links are there ... the facts are there. The timeline is clear.
If Kraft had just stepped in and pushed hot-heads like Richardson and Jones away from the table, the lockout wouldn't have even needed to occur, because in the end, Kraft pushed for the NFLPA's offer.
It's not spin Rusty. It wasn't even close ... I don't know how it can be constructed to look any differently.