Has Brady become too corporate or elitist?

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    In Response to Re: Is Brady too corporate or elitist lately? : brady will be running for office as a republican (worse than schilling) after his career is over. guess i would like to see him atleast wait til his career is over before he starts his campaigning and "schilling" for his corporate republican buds. belichick, for the record, is a DEMOCRAT. he may run too someday but he clearly isnt actively setting it up while he is coachg! the only hint he drops is that he believes US is too materialistic and into money and not selfless, collective or egalitarian enough which is why he runs the greatest team on earth that way! its not a coincidence folks. you all like how the pats are run and the political philosophy in which it is done yet many of you refuse to even try it in any aspect in the greater society, like with universal health care! many of you would not have even approved social security or medicare in the first place. i am an ayn Rand objectivist-libertarian capitalist but have enough empathy to grasp that others are not in the same position or have the pragmatics to have the same perspective or come from the same attitude. Capitalism and collectively helping others are not necessarily incompatible.  Mark my words. Our Brady will not be as happy to take a discount for his next deal. He seems to have outgrown the values his last deal was based on. Brady is now the Union Player Rep for the Pats. He's not doing that to promote taking a pay cut fellas!    
    Posted by choircontrarian

    I think your mother lied to you. A lot. 

    And you weren't bright enough to figure out the lie.

     
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    THANK YOU FOR THIS THREAD! Did anyone see that pic on Boston.com of the Pats boarding the plane for London? My only question is: Is Brady too good a sweatsuit like the rest.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Brady too corporate or elitist lately? : brady will be running for office as a republican (worse than schilling) after his career is over. guess i would like to see him atleast wait til his career is over before he starts his campaigning and "schilling" for his corporate republican buds. belichick, for the record, is a DEMOCRAT. he may run too someday but he clearly isnt actively setting it up while he is coachg! the only hint he drops is that he believes US is too materialistic and into money and not selfless, collective or egalitarian enough which is why he runs the greatest team on earth that way! its not a coincidence folks. you all like how the pats are run and the political philosophy in which it is done yet many of you refuse to even try it in any aspect in the greater society, like with universal health care! many of you would not have even approved social security or medicare in the first place. i am an ayn Rand objectivist-libertarian capitalist but have enough empathy to grasp that others are not in the same position or have the pragmatics to have the same perspective or come from the same attitude. Capitalism and collectively helping others are not necessarily incompatible.  Mark my words. Our Brady will not be as happy to take a discount for his next deal. He seems to have outgrown the values his last deal was based on. Brady is now the Union Player Rep for the Pats. He's not doing that to promote taking a pay cut fellas!    
    Posted by choircontrarian


      There are 31 other options in the NFL to choose from if you feel so strongly about your views. BTW if you want to employ the NE team philosphy to society just remember that we cut or trade players who aren't productive.
     
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    THANK YOU FOR THIS THREAD! Did anyone see that pic on Boston.com of the Pats boarding the plane for London? My only question is: Is Brady too good a sweatsuit like the rest.
    Posted by vegascolony

    Brady probably a best sweatsuit.

    Is language English second like, umm, the Iraq?

     
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    THANK YOU FOR THIS THREAD! Did anyone see that pic on Boston.com of the Pats boarding the plane for London? My only question is: Is Brady too good a sweatsuit like the rest.
    Posted by vegascolony
    no, THANK YOU! I know i am not the only one thinking this way. its just that most here are not used to being challenged on anything or being forced to take an objective view separate from our emperors, preachers, choirs or kool aid! what arrogance, presumptuosness, and obnoxious pompousity to ignore the obvious dress code of the rest of your TEAM? if he werent a patriot, this infraction would be as clear as day to most here. its not the suit that is the issue. its the going out of one's way to childishly stand out and garner more individual attention at the expense of the team like a TO. would be no beef had the rest of the team worn suits and he was just falling in line with the program. he could have had the most expensive and flashy suit and it would not be a biggie faux pas!

    i especially appreciate that the communist moderators are at least allowing this thread to be sustained in a real democratic kind of way. Whether you agree or not with my views, its all good! at least you now know there are in fact serious contrarian views out there amongst us fans. It would not matter if I went elsewhere. No team is ever perfect! i have rooted for decades now for all the boston pro teams, includg the sox, celtics and revs. long after bel and brady are done and long gone, i will still be a pats fan for whoever represents the pats at that time, regardless of the record! 
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Brady too corporate or elitist lately? :   There are 31 other options in the NFL to choose from if you feel so strongly about your views. BTW if you want to employ the NE team philosphy to society just remember that we cut or trade players who aren't productive.
    Posted by cowtherabbit-

    Would a good example of this be those who put a lot of thought into the meaning of wearing a suit?

     
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    In Response to Re: Is Brady too corporate or elitist lately? : brady will be running for office as a republican (worse than schilling) after his career is over. guess i would like to see him atleast wait til his career is over before he starts his campaigning and "schilling" for his corporate republican buds. belichick, for the record, is a DEMOCRAT. he may run too someday but he clearly isnt actively setting it up while he is coachg! the only hint he drops is that he believes US is too materialistic and into money and not selfless, collective or egalitarian enough which is why he runs the greatest team on earth that way! its not a coincidence folks. you all like how the pats are run and the political philosophy in which it is done yet many of you refuse to even try it in any aspect in the greater society, like with universal health care! many of you would not have even approved social security or medicare in the first place. i am an ayn Rand objectivist-libertarian capitalist but have enough empathy to grasp that others are not in the same position or have the pragmatics to have the same perspective or come from the same attitude. Capitalism and collectively helping others are not necessarily incompatible.  Mark my words. Our Brady will not be as happy to take a discount for his next deal. He seems to have outgrown the values his last deal was based on. Brady is now the Union Player Rep for the Pats. He's not doing that to promote taking a pay cut fellas!    
    Posted by choircontrarian


    Hey mini-Mao the only reason you are posting this BS is because noone can find ya and give ya a smack across the mout.Ain't noone gonna put up with it in person. ya wanna start being a socialist then start sharin ya paycheck with me. that'd be really socialble. I'm at McGreevy's every sunday.Ask for lenny.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Brady too corporate or elitist lately? : no, THANK YOU! I know i am not the only one thinking this way. its just that most here are not used to being challenged on anything or being forced to take an objective view separate from our emperors, preachers, choirs or kool aid! what arrogance, presumptuosness, and obnoxious pompousity to ignore the obvious dress code of the rest of your TEAM? if he werent a patriot, this infraction would be as clear as day to most here.  i especially appreciate that the communist moderators are at least allowing this thread to be sustained in a real democratic kind of way. Whether you agree or not with my views, its all good! at least you now know there are in fact serious contrarian views out there amongst us fans. It would not matter if I went elsewhere. No team is ever perfect! i have rooted for decades now for all the boston pro teams, includg the sox, celtics and revs. long after bel and brady are done and long gone, i will still be a pats fan for whoever represents the pats at that time, regardless of the record! 
    Posted by choircontrarian


     AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Posting to yourself with thank u's AHAHAHAH!!!! You just made me day. Just when I tought i had it bad you come along and crack me up. ya gotts 2 b pretty desperate to post thanx to your self.AHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Brady too corporate or elitist lately? :  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Posting to yourself with thank u's AHAHAHAH!!!! You just made me day. Just when I tought i had it bad you come along and crack me up. ya gotts 2 b pretty desperate to post thanx to your self.AHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
    Posted by Lenny13
    i was obviously responding to vegascolony. do i have to come down to that bar to set u straight? you sir, may need to be cut off. u have clearly been drinking too much!
     
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      I like to dress well most of the time.
     
       I get the stink eye from the wellfare bums who hang out at walmart, but they are the ones with the problem not me.

     
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    okay although the original question sounds foolish, i have had a similar debate with my friends for several years now (right after 2004 SB).  Let me first say I am ahuge Brady fan and think he is perhaps the ebst QB I have ever seen play, Joe Montana being #1, but even taht is debatable because Brady (barring 2007) has been much more durable than JM. 

    Anyway, the debate I have is I think Brady's polished image does hinder him in maximizing his popularity with Fans.  Before you bash me, my point is if Brady was more of the Favre or Peyton Manning blue collar type image he would be even more popular in Boston.  The comparison I always make is to Larry Bird.  I grew up during the Bird heyday and LB owned this town.  he was the "hick from french Lick", a guy the average Joe could relate to....a guy you picture hanging out with and drinking beer with......Brady, at least to me, does not come across that way....therefore there is a small disconnect between Brady the amazing player and Brady "the guy".

    in teh end it has no effect of how he performs ont he field....it only affects his leagcy and only a little bit.  New England fans relate to the Larry Birds, Cam Neelys, Carlton Fisks, Steve Grogans, Cowens, Bruschi, Orr, Varitek, as much for their regualr guy personas as they do for their play on the field/court/ice.   Brady will go down as one of the greatest players in NE history but I'm not sure he will go down as being one the fans connected with completely.
     
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    I have been thinking of this for a while. It seems as  gissy has maximized influence in his life, tom more and more has become unrelatable to the average guy. Watching him get on the plane for England in that suit and tie when everyone around him had on sweats was the final straw! it used to be that peyton was viewed as the pampered elitist due to his draft position, stats and pedigree. But let's face it, now that brady has the stats, the hottest gal, and corporate -republican attitude, he is now replacing peyton as the most pampered elitist in the NFL.  Both are still hard working but when one considers that brady came from a very privileged background and his dad is a mega lawyer, it magnifies the light on his present actions even more. At closer look, peyton is more of a blue-collar New England compatible type in just about every way. his dad being a tough grogan-type qb combined with his more every-guy approach and his average looks make him more relatable.  peyton no longer pouts and stomps on the field while calling out his teammates when he doesnt get his way. Ask Joey Galloway and others if Brady is now that way. Ask those reporters shot at in South America just for doing their miserable jobs if brady is not really like that now. I could go on, but you get the point. With all this said, I am still a Brady guy on the field and feel honored to have him as a pat! but these are concerning trend lines just as Belichick's shaky draft record from 2006-2008 used to be. As fans, we must be objective at times and not just follow the choir and kool aiders!   
    Posted by choircontrarian


    You are a Fu#$ing moron. Seriously. This is possiblly one of the most ill-conceived ideas on a message board filled with 12 year olds.

    Congrats. Go have relations with yourself.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Brady too corporate or elitist lately? : for the 800th time, i love brady's football talent and what he brings to the field. as a pats fan, i am glad and honored football-wise, that he plays for my team. he is the BEST thing that ever happened to belichick and new england football! tom brady in my very humble opinion is the BEST QB today and in the history of football! i just regret that his general and private personality isnt more like a favre, warner, steve young, peyton manning or even a joe montana, as well as the fact that he has allowed a gissy to push him in a certain direction i personally find largely unfortunate. it is what it is. its my opinion. i believe we lost the super bowl in part to those choices for reasons i wont go into at this time. i believe those choices would have more rapidly shown its head if not for his knee injury last year. i am sorry but i feel it could still come bak to pose a potential threat. again, as a red sox fan also, i have seen enough times how these off-field choices can in fact impact things on the field. unfortunately, i can not take or relate to him beyond a football player, football based activities and his on-field choices. i lament and regret this. belichick is also kind of an elitist too. check out his background. he has also done some things due to a perceived sense of entitlement esp in his jet days with gals around the office, his best friend's wife for which he was sued, and obviously with spygate. however, i am not mentioning that. i am beyond it. had i brought up his background or his off-field choices in 1983 or so as a potential threat going forward, you would have done your kool aid name-calling back then also. how can he have the moral authority to talk to tom as a mentor about his previous baby mama drama and apparent philandering ways? hopefully, brady too can grow, broaden his empathy and lessen these types of potentially distractive off-field issues just as belichick apparently has.     i love both brady and bel and would like them around for a long time strictly as FOOTBALL, on-field role models!
    Posted by choircontrarian


    Even better. Gisele cost us the Super Bowl. Wow. I mean, I actually feel dumber for reading this.

    I need to lay down.
     
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    HE IS AN AMBASSADOR FOR THE NFL AND OUR COUNTRY DURING THIS TRIP TO LONDON AS PART OF THE NFL'S CONTINUING ATTEMPT TO GROW THE GAME GLOBALLY. 

    WHY WAS BRADY THE ONLY ONE IN A SUIT??? EASY ANSWER....I DIDNT SEE ANYONE ELSE AT ALL OF THE PRESS CONFERENCES AND IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA 24/7.

    WHEN YOU START SEEING BRADY ON EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL WHILE YOU ARE WATCHING SUNDAY FOOTBALL THEN WE CAN WONDER WHETHER HE HAS GONE TOO CORPORATE.....TIL THEN LET THE QB OF THE COLTS HOLD THAT TITLE.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Brady too corporate or elitist lately? : i was obviously responding to vegascolony. do i have to come down to that bar to set u straight? you sir, may need to be cut off. u have clearly been drinking too much!
    Posted by choircontrarian


    AHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Any fool can see ya invented vegas colony to support ya posts.Ain't noone inthere right mind gonna aggre with ya .AHAHAAHAH!!! The dude only got but 2 posts. i may be drunk but i ain't blind,not yet. AHAHAHAHA. Now shut ya as b4 i goes and gives ya a frsh one ya half a sissy. ya ought to b in vegas with the comedy ya spittin out. It's ok with me and the boys if tom wants to strut around in a monkey suit,how come it ain't right with you. I bet youd prefer to see him in some panties instead ya panzy.AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Now go and get yaself some handtools and find your way to manhood but you just leave good ole Tom be.  he went and made it feel good to be a patriot fan.and quit using the big words,ya sound like a bullsht salesmen wit a mouthful of samples.
     
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    Dude, you have to much time on our hand. Get real would you. Who gives a **** what Brady wears. He is a warrior!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He wants to win more than anyone on the team! He the Patriot team leader! He can do whatever he wants in his personal time. He is married to the top super model in the world and she probably dresses him. She can dress me too! Who cares. I am one of the biggest Patriot fans in the world-I live in North Carolina-Just enjoy what you have seen and still will see of Tom Brady. He will end up being one of the top QBs of all time. Go Pats!

     
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    C´mon, are you wearing sweats right now? Does that makes any difference?

    Remember Michael Jordan wearing suits all the time? Tiger? Tom is right next to those guys. Hes just trying to give a profesional look.

    Stop thinking B.S. please...
     
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    HE IS AN AMBASSADOR FOR THE NFL AND OUR COUNTRY DURING THIS TRIP TO LONDON AS PART OF THE NFL'S CONTINUING ATTEMPT TO GROW THE GAME GLOBALLY.  WHY WAS BRADY THE ONLY ONE IN A SUIT??? EASY ANSWER....I DIDNT SEE ANYONE ELSE AT ALL OF THE PRESS CONFERENCES AND IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA 24/7. WHEN YOU START SEEING BRADY ON EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL WHILE YOU ARE WATCHING SUNDAY FOOTBALL THEN WE CAN WONDER WHETHER HE HAS GONE TOO CORPORATE.....TIL THEN LET THE QB OF THE COLTS HOLD THAT TITLE.
    Posted by patfan1187
    Wo! You make him sound like he was going to Afghanistan to confront the Taliban or something! or make the ultimate sacrifice for his country!
     
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    okay although the original question sounds foolish, i have had a similar debate with my friends for several years now (right after 2004 SB).  Let me first say I am ahuge Brady fan and think he is perhaps the ebst QB I have ever seen play, Joe Montana being #1, but even taht is debatable because Brady (barring 2007) has been much more durable than JM.  Anyway, the debate I have is I think Brady's polished image does hinder him in maximizing his popularity with Fans.  Before you bash me, my point is if Brady was more of the Favre or Peyton Manning blue collar type image he would be even more popular in Boston.  The comparison I always make is to Larry Bird.  I grew up during the Bird heyday and LB owned this town.  he was the "hick from french Lick", a guy the average Joe could relate to....a guy you picture hanging out with and drinking beer with......Brady, at least to me, does not come across that way....therefore there is a small disconnect between Brady the amazing player and Brady "the guy". in teh end it has no effect of how he performs ont he field....it only affects his leagcy and only a little bit.  New England fans relate to the Larry Birds, Cam Neelys, Carlton Fisks, Steve Grogans, Cowens, Bruschi, Orr, Varitek, as much for their regualr guy personas as they do for their play on the field/court/ice.   Brady will go down as one of the greatest players in NE history but I'm not sure he will go down as being one the fans connected with completely.
    Posted by pdw3332
    I couldnt have summarized my points any better. perhaps a great moniker for brady could be THE GRAND LEO FROM SAN MATEO! or we could try THE UPPER CRUST OF SAN MATEO! of for the true brady haters... THE A-HOLE FROM SAN MATEO! 

    look at how the fans connect with bruschi or even rodney harrison or seau or troy brown! heck, even with adam V. its all coldly cordial and professional. can u imagine brady ever being in the studio or calling games after his career is done? it would be awkward and come off as beneath him. 

     
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    C´mon, are you wearing sweats right now? Does that makes any difference? Remember Michael Jordan wearing suits all the time? Tiger? Tom is right next to those guys. Hes just trying to give a profesional look. Stop thinking B.S. please...
    Posted by auchhhhhhhhhhh
    jordan was not the only one wearg suits. the NBA mandates that its players ALL wear suits! got the difference now? he was following the basic league or team policy. had jordan stood there in sweats, he would have attracted some of the same criticisms as tom. for the 1000th freakin time, its not the SUIT!
     
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    I could go on, but you get the point.
     Posted by choircontrarian


    Yeah, we get the point.

    In the future, it would save both you and us a great deal of time if you simply typed "I am a f*cking deuschebag" and left it at that.
     
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    n Response to Re: Is Brady too corporate or elitist lately? : AHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Any fool can see ya invented vegas colony to support ya posts.Ain't noone inthere right mind gonna aggre with ya .AHAHAAHAH!!! The dude only got but 2 posts. i may be drunk but i ain't blind,not yet. AHAHAHAHA. Now shut ya as b4 i goes and gives ya a frsh one ya half a sissy. ya ought to b in vegas with the comedy ya spittin out. It's ok with me and the boys if tom wants to strut around in a monkey suit,how come it ain't right with you. I bet youd prefer to see him in some panties instead ya panzy.AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Now go and get yaself some handtools and find your way to manhood but you just leave good ole Tom be.  he went and made it feel good to be a patriot fan.and quit using the big words,ya sound like a bullsht salesmen wit a mouthful of samples.
    Posted by Lenny13
    THATS my fear i guess. i can now imagine gissy dressing tommy in some panties before his big game!
     
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    The guy wears a suit, is married to a very hot woman, is well paid (perhaps not as well as some others, but well paid nevertheless) and may very well be one of the best ever to play his position.  And he worked his you-know-what-off to get to the position he's in.  I wouldn't care if he dressed like Boy George (well maybe not Boy George) he's the best quarterback this town has ever seen and one of the reasons they are so successful. 

    Too corporate for what, for crying out loud???

    Please, could we talk about something that matters????
     
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    The guy wears a suit, is married to a very hot woman, is well paid (perhaps not as well as some others, but well paid nevertheless) and may very well be one of the best ever to play his position.  And he worked his you-know-what-off to get to the position he's in.  I wouldn't care if he dressed like Boy George (well maybe not Boy George) he's the best quarterback this town has ever seen and one of the reasons they are so successful.  Too corporate for what, for crying out loud??? Please, could we talk about something that matters????
    Posted by ATJ


    QFT

    I'm thinking if anyone of us (besides the ladies) woke up in Tom Brady's shoes tomorrow, it would not $uck. Brady has earned his station in life and deserves everything he gets. Elitist? Do you live next door to him, and know him on that level? 

    Next topic please
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Brady just a bit too corporate or elitist lately? : But, again, not the whole story. She did sue Peyton specifically after he wrote his book and tried to pass off the incident as a boyish prank where he mooned another player thinking she couldn't see him. She sued for defamation and said that he actually sat on on her face. A letter from the person whom he allegedly mooned was included in the evidence where he tells Peyton to come clean and to do the right thing. Oh, it also came out during the second lawsuit that after the initial lawsuit had been filed, Manning had taunted her by reenacting the event twice in her presence.  Manning could have left well enough alone after the first event, but he had to defame her in his book. She had moved on, was working in Florida and had moved up the chain in her career. Until Peyton's book came out. Then her reviews started to suffer and she was demoted. Yeah, Peyton is one class act. 
    Posted by EnochRoot

    So you think it was something other than a boyish prank? 

    More on this later. 

    I just want to make sure that this is becoming a character thread, because I like to stay away from personal character mistakes, but as long as everyone is ok, I think we can do that. 

    By the way, Manning is no boy scout.
     
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