HAYNESWORTH traded to NEW ENGLAND...

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    My take Bill already has spoken to Albert.
    Bill would not have made the trade if he was not sure of what Albert would do just like Dillon and Moss.
    Albert will be more than motivated to come to NE to play for a SB contender.
    Albert saw what was going on in DC and saw they were pretenders despite all the big spending.

    I'm trying to picture a RB looking out at the line and seeing Wifolk and Albert staring back saying "Just try it Baby just try it". Both guys get double teamed all the time that leaves 7 on 9 for defense......
     
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    www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2011/07/patriots_trade_14.html?p1=Upbox_links">Patriots get Haynesworth

    The Patriots have made their bold move, trading for Redskins lineman Albert Haynesworth.

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    Did BB write in to "Love Letters" for advice on Albert?

     
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    I guess I shouldnt be surprised by all the positive comments on this board as people tend to only care about the bottom line but stop making the comparison that this is like bringing in Moss or Dillion.

    Moss and Dillion WERE NOT CRIMINALS.  This guy bashed a guy in a road rage incident, is going on trial for sexual assault, and just go over to Wilbur's column to see the video again of him stomping (with cleats) on the head of a helmet-less cowboy during a game (which he was thrown out of).

    This isn't some lazy malcontent with a "bad" reputation.  This is a thug and a criminal.  I wonder if this guy is on the team if Myra Kraft was still alive?

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: HAYNESWORTH traded to NEW ENGLAND... : I don't see us moving to a 43 I think we'll remain a 34 with a 43 sub package. We have to many good ILB's and not enough cover OLB's to convert to a 43, not to mention the lack of rush DE's. I'm thinking it will be Warren RDE, Wilfork NT, Haynesworth LDE in the 34 and Warren/Pyror RDE, Stroud/Wilfork RDT, Haynesworth/Love LDT, Wright/Deadrick LDE in the 43
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]
    Maybe but I don't see any edge speed guys on your 43 list.  Ninkovich and Cunningham can hardly be considered speed guys either.  Roth could make a lot of sense as an elephant OLB in the McGinest roll.  Eric Moore would seem a likely candidate for one of the DE positions in the sub package.

    Washington used Haynesworth as a NT in the 34.  He might like being a 34 DE better but I think his natural position is inside in a 43.  Wilfork used to come out a lot when in a 43 until last year.  It could be:

    Haynesworth, Wilfork, Ty Warren

    then bring Cunningham or Moore to the weakside kicking AH and VW inside when going to a 43.  The Pats generated most of their pass rush from the inside last year as opposed to having it come from the outside via speed rush.  They are certainly set up even better to do that again.  Maybe they won't worry about having a prototypicially speed edge guy and use 4 monsters on the line to contain and stop the run and come on more safety or corner blitzes with guys like McCourty or Dowling who can both fly?
     
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    F'in Sweet.
     
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    Get Matt Roth!  
     
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    i love this move.

    Haynesworth's big issue in washington is he only wants to rush the QB, he doesnt want to take up blockers, and he doesnt want to play NT.

    We have vince who is good at NT so we can just have Haynesworth line up DT and rush every time hes in. all that for a 5th round pick and what 5 mil for the year?

    Huge signing, 
     
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    I'm so sorry for all you Pats fans. Fat Albert is a waste of space. I'm a long-time Skins fan, and I was initially excited when he came to DC. That quickly changed.

    He is a stubborn, immature and insubordinate brat who will throw a tantrum when he does not get exactly what he wants. He will take the money and then not deliver. He will show up at training camp in what he says is excellent shape, only to be huffing oxygen after every snap.

    Aside from his bad on-field attitude, he's trouble off the field too. In the past year he's been charged with assault from a road rage incident and indicted on sexual assault charges. I know BB has a good track record with bad guys, but Lard A** is possibly the worst one he'll have seen yet.

    Sadly, he has to pass a conditioning test for this deal to go through, so I'm probably getting my hopes up only to have them dashed. Good luck with Haynesworthless - you'll need it.
     
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    Haynesworth trade makes sense for Pats, Redskins

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    Let’s preface this one by acknowledging that, if the Bengals had traded for Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, we’d all rolling our eyes and talking once more about how stupid the front office in Cincinnati is.  But since the Patriots did it, many in the media will be predisposed to spinning the move in a way that advances the legend of Bill Belichick.

    To be sure, Belichick has taken a huge risk by giving a new home to a guy who wasn’t happy with a $100 million mansion.  But Belichick also won’t hesitate to put Haynesworth out on the street if Haynesworth says or does any of the things he did in Washington.

    And then the media will be predisposed to spinning the move in a way that paints Belichick as a genius for dumping Haynesworth and sending a clear message to a young, impressionable team.  Less than a year after the media killed Brad Childress for cutting Randy Moss less than a month after Belichick unloaded a guy who may have come in handy during that playoff game against the Jets.

    For now, let’s assume Haynesworth passes his conditioning test (as . . . you . . . me) and that he makes the team.  As resident Patriots homer expert Rosenthal points out, the Pats use a 4-3 front roughly half the time.  Thus, Haynesworth likely will be a part-time player, but he possibly will be in the alignment he prefers 100 percent of the time that he’s on the field.

    And while there’s no way he’d be asked to play the nose tackle position in New England’s 3-4 alignment, thanks to the presence of Vince Wilfork, Belichick surely wouldn’t expect Haynesworth to be a traditional lineman-occupying presence at defensive end in that formation.  That’s where Belichick’s brain becomes important.  When a player doesn’t like a certain type of system, it’s because he doesn’t play as well in that system.  So instead of forcing Haynesworth to eat his brussel sprouts, Belichick will find ways to let Haynesworth get the most out of his talents.  Who knows?  Maybe that will mean periodically lining him up on the edge in obvious passing situations and letting him maul a tackle one-on-one and chase down the quarterback.

    Either way, the move can’t hurt an anemic pass rush that lost is most productive sack machine since 2009 with the decision to cut Tully Banta-Cain.

    For practical purposes, Haynesworth’s $100 million contract is, in reality, a four-year, $48 million package.  The Redskins have already paid the majority of that money.  If Haynesworth has any pride whatsoever (the jury is still out on that one), he’ll try hard this year to redeem himself, like he did after he took a cleat to the forehead of Andre Gurode in 2006.  Next year, Haynesworth necessarily will be in a contract year, like he was in 2007 and 2008.

    If he plays like he did in 2007 and 2008, it could be one of the smartest moves Belichick ever made.

    That said, we’re still surprised that the Patriots would welcome a guy who has had so many off-field (and on-field) problems.  The Gurode assault and battery is something for which Haynesworth should have been not only suspended but also prosecuted, and his propensity for driving anything and everything as fast as he can got a kid seriously injured a couple of years ago.  And while Haynesworth’s alleged treatment of a waitress at a D.C. hotel pales in comparison to the allegations against less-than-one-week Patriot Christian Peter, Haynesworth’s history could make ownership more than a little queasy.

    For the Redskins, the willingness of coach Mike Shanahan to cut his losses and take what he could get makes sense.  He ignored the fact that he missed his chance to get more for Haynesworth in 2010, opting instead to give the franchise the fresh start it so badly needed.  Besides, like the Saints possibly shipping Reggie Bush to the Dolphins, trading Haynesworth to the Patriots is a lot better than cutting him and watching him take the Acela to Philly, the new home of former Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn.

    Of course, Haynesworth could still end up with the Eagles.  And if that’s where Haynesworth wants to be, all he has to do is act a little bit in Foxboro like did last year in D.C.


     
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    Here is what Fred Taylor had to say about the trade...


     Fred Taylor 
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    He wants a ring...he should pay off....let him break some other teams legs.. :)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: HAYNESWORTH traded to NEW ENGLAND... : Maybe but I don't see any edge speed guys on your 43 list.  Ninkovich and Cunningham can hardly be considered speed guys either.  Roth could make a lot of sense as an elephant OLB in the McGinest roll.  Eric Moore would seem a likely candidate for one of the DE positions in the sub package. Washington used Haynesworth as a NT in the 34.  He might like being a 34 DE better but I think his natural position is inside in a 43.  Wilfork used to come out a lot when in a 43 until last year.  It could be: Haynesworth, Wilfork, Ty Warren then bring Cunningham or Moore to the weakside kicking AH and VW inside when going to a 43.  The Pats generated most of their pass rush from the inside last year as opposed to having it come from the outside via speed rush.  They are certainly set up even better to do that again.  Maybe they won't worry about having a prototypicially speed edge guy and use 4 monsters on the line to contain and stop the run and come on more safety or corner blitzes with guys like McCourty or Dowling who can both fly?
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    I'm just thinking back to the Pats in the 04-07 seasons. Where they didn't have rush DE's like in 43's and larger OLB's. They moved Seymour inside with Wilfork and moved either Willie Mac or another DE up on the DE postion and just take up blockers. They were there to literally collapse the pocket and push the OL backwards then let the OLB's rush the edge once the QB was flushed. I see them doing to same thing just replacing Willie Mac with either Wright or Moore and having the OLB's be Cunningham and Nin or Roth. Either can set the edges and cover the flat and once the QB gets flushed they can rush the edge.
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm so sorry for all you Pats fans. Fat Albert is a waste of space. I'm a long-time Skins fan, and I was initially excited when he came to DC. That quickly changed. He is a stubborn, immature and insubordinate brat who will throw a tantrum when he does not get exactly what he wants. He will take the money and then not deliver. He will show up at training camp in what he says is excellent shape, only to be huffing oxygen after every snap. Aside from his bad on-field attitude, he's trouble off the field too. In the past year he's been charged with assault from a road rage incident and indicted on sexual assault charges. I know BB has a good track record with bad guys, but Lard A** is possibly the worst one he'll have seen yet. Sadly, he has to pass a conditioning test for this deal to go through, so I'm probably getting my hopes up only to have them dashed. Good luck with Haynesworthless - you'll need it.
    Posted by dtrain1[/QUOTE]

    Well then let me say thank you for paying all his bonuses upfront so we only have to worry about his base. If he acts up or is lazy we can dump him and not have any impact on the cap at all. Thank you again
     
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    Kneel to his greatness!!! 

    Pass-rush, FIXED!!! 
     
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    IMHO, there is no way, no how that Hayneworth will be anything less than spectacular on this team. Players want respect and an opportunity to prove and contribute to their team. He didn't think that he got that in Washington and was out of it before the season even started. As a professional it wasn't right but who really knows what went on behind closed doors. I welcome him on the team as I do believe that he will make a significant contribution! 

     
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    [QUOTE]I'm so sorry for all you Pats fans. Fat Albert is a waste of space. I'm a long-time Skins fan, and I was initially excited when he came to DC. That quickly changed. He is a stubborn, immature and insubordinate brat who will throw a tantrum when he does not get exactly what he wants. He will take the money and then not deliver. He will show up at training camp in what he says is excellent shape, only to be huffing oxygen after every snap. Aside from his bad on-field attitude, he's trouble off the field too. In the past year he's been charged with assault from a road rage incident and indicted on sexual assault charges. I know BB has a good track record with bad guys, but Lard A** is possibly the worst one he'll have seen yet. Sadly, he has to pass a conditioning test for this deal to go through, so I'm probably getting my hopes up only to have them dashed. Good luck with Haynesworthless - you'll need it.
    Posted by dtrain1[/QUOTE]

    the difference is we didnt pay him 100 million and we can cut our losses should your opinion become reality in a heartbeat
     
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    I'm not particularly big on this trade.  Haynesworth's classless attitude last year made me sick.  The only saving grace is that this is low risk.  If it doesn't work out no harm done.  Maybe a little circus time but that's all.  No big money involved.  

    I am surprised that BB did this.  I would never have thought I'd ever see Haynesworth in a Pats uniform.  BB must have had feelers out for a while to be comfortable with this.  I am shocked. 

     
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    Belichick press conference coming up in the next couple of minutes on ESPN 2
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm so sorry for all you Pats fans. Fat Albert is a waste of space. I'm a long-time Skins fan, and I was initially excited when he came to DC. That quickly changed. He is a stubborn, immature and insubordinate brat who will throw a tantrum when he does not get exactly what he wants. He will take the money and then not deliver. He will show up at training camp in what he says is excellent shape, only to be huffing oxygen after every snap. Aside from his bad on-field attitude, he's trouble off the field too. In the past year he's been charged with assault from a road rage incident and indicted on sexual assault charges. I know BB has a good track record with bad guys, but Lard A** is possibly the worst one he'll have seen yet. Sadly, he has to pass a conditioning test for this deal to go through, so I'm probably getting my hopes up only to have them dashed. Good luck with Haynesworthless - you'll need it.
    Posted by dtrain1[/QUOTE]

    Will you come back on here after the season and admit you were wrong...We all doubt it.  I am sure you will be angry when BB gets things out of AH that your team was not able to do!  I can understand your resentment....You should probably be annoyed with your coaching staff

     
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    How many touchdowns is Al going to catch from Brady? Are you kidding me? Should have signed Donte Stallworth!
     
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