Help for #12

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    Help for #12

    I had hoped that one of the big goals for the off season was to get some help for Brady.  I don't care that Blount is gone (what a bust in the afcccg) but I expected a little more than Lafell. 

    I didn't expect Belichick to get Calvin Johnson in here or even another team's #1, but a #2 would have been nice.

    Does anyone think there is more to come, or is the hope of a really good wide receiver for this season dead already?

     
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    The draft is deep and loaded at WR, so that's another channel to add talent at the position.

     
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    I think we will get more at TE, WR, or both before the offseason is over.  

     
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    I really hope so.  I'm pumped for the defense, but Brady needs more of an upgrade than Lafell.  It will be a lot less fun this year if the majority of the receiving corps stays the same.  I can't watch Dobson, Tompkins, Boyce, Mulligan, Hoomanetc and freakin' Slater be targeted all season again!

     

     
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    They have 3 young WRs from last year who showed some promise. They say the biggest jump in progress is between years one and two. Having had a year in the system, Dobson, Boyce and Thompkins might be much better and more reliable this year. I wouldn't give up on them yet. There is no guarantee that whoever is brought in will have a huge impact, as we have seen several times over the past seasons. I'm more interested in another big receiving TE who can also block. 

     
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    I think we will get more at TE, WR, or both before the offseason is over.  

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    I think a TE  in the draft within the 1st 3 rounds is likely. They may take  WR later in the draft but for the most part they might be done.

     

     
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    The reason BLOUNT was let go was  ???????

    If Ridley starts fumbling again who is the running back????

     
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    They have 3 young WRs from last year who showed some promise. They say the biggest jump in progress is between years one and two. Having had a year in the system, Dobson, Boyce and Thompkins might be much better and more reliable this year. I wouldn't give up on them yet. There is no guarantee that whoever is brought in will have a huge impact, as we have seen several times over the past seasons. I'm more interested in another big receiving TE who can also block. 

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    I wish I saw those three as you did.  I would be much more optimistic.  Instead of seeing three that showed promise, I see one who barely played (Boyce), one who had a big chance and ended up benched for the second half of the season (Thompkins) and a guy who had a couple of good games to go along with butter fingers (Dobson).

    I would be thrilled if I were 100% wrong and one of these guys turned into a legit NFL top receiver, or even a #2.  As for now, I'm hoping the Pats can find a way to get that guy.

     

     
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    The reason BLOUNT was let go was  ???????

    If Ridley starts fumbling again who is the running back????

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    One trick ponies are easy to shut down.

    See:  AFCCCG

     
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    I cautiously hope Vereen, Gronk and Amendola can be collectively more healthy than they were last year, that in itself would be a nice upgrade.

    I actually really like Lafell. I could see 55-60 catches, around 7-800 yards.

    This is make or break year for Ridley. Either he's solved the fumbling issue, and his talent can start to rise to the top. Or he hasn't, and he can get buried UNDER the bench for all I care.

    Dobson has real injury concerns with micro-foot-fracture surgery. Boyce and Thompkins SHOULD take some incremental step forward.

    I'm expecting a TE in the first 2 rounds. Where BB has historically been shy to take a WR high, he has shown no apprehension taking a TE in the first round (Graham, Watson) or soon thereafter (Gronk 2nd, D Burgerman Thomas 3rd). 

    There are 3 TEs in the draft who warrant a 1st or 2nd round grade, I would truly be surprised if the Pats DIDN'T take one of them.

     
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    I would rather they work on the D. Last year the O ranked 3rd in the league. How much better do you think they can get? They really haven't lost anyone. Last years rookies will be better and could be considerably better.

    There really is no need for anymore "Help for #12" when compared to the definite need for help on the D unless that help shows up in the form of a good o-lineman or two.

     
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    The reason BLOUNT was let go was  ???????

    If Ridley starts fumbling again who is the running back????

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    Brandon Bolden. He's like Law Firm 2.0. He doesnt have great speed, but he'll hit the hole hard and he's sure handed. 

     
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    The reason BLOUNT was let go was  ???????

    If Ridley starts fumbling again who is the running back????

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    One trick ponies are easy to shut down.

    See:  AFCCCG

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    that was one game !!!  He destroyed the Ravens and Colts

    My questions are still unanswered.

     
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    He's starting to help himself a bit my taking some accountability.  He's wearing the pants now, forcing Giselle to move to Boston so this LA glam crap can come to an end until his career is over, at least.  So annoying.

    Next, he's at least show signs of admitting he didn't play that well in postseasons where he hadn't for many years.

    Further, BB just did what all the whiny pink hats wanted here, which was to load up on defense.

    BB tried to do that on D to play to the Goodell NFL and it worked well overall, but it was not good enough to secure a title, mainly due to Brady's own disappearences when the chips were on the table.

    So, enough with this "Brady does not have any help" crap.  LaFell is like a David GIvens, they have 3 younger WRs, two of whom had very nice rookie years, and with Brady in Boston in the offseason for once and likely at the facility with these WRs on a regular basis, it bodes well for continued growth in the passing game.

    Amendola put up Patten production last year and Edelman back again only helps.

    The WR position is actually LOADED with talent and now there is a base of contiuity moving forward, as opposed to swapping out WRs every offseason like has been happening.

    I would say BB is pretty happy overall with what he has. The question remains....Will Brady and his spoiled self be just as happy in January?  No more hands on the hips and stare downs with pouting, please.

    It's all about Brady now.  QBs can only dream of having Gronk to throw to, too. 

    Leave it to Handy to think a name on a jersey that ESPN praises at WR somehow is how you satisfy Brady.  lol

    Absolutely clueless. Mike Wallace is being paid 13 mil per down in Miami as a bust, on his way out. You, Mt Hurl, Pezzy, TFb12, etc, were all pining for a guy like that in here last offseason.

    You were warned.

    Finally, if someone like Steve Smith does not want a ring and wants an ego stroke with more money, choosing Baltimore's cap hell over a legit SB run here, that's his choice.  BB cannot force stubborn vets into making the better decision.

    You'd have to be a moron to think Baltimore is in bettter position for a playoff berth and SB title than the Pats.

     

     
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    The reason BLOUNT was let go was  ???????

    If Ridley starts fumbling again who is the running back????

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    Brandon Bolden. He's like Law Firm 2.0. He doesnt have great speed, but he'll hit the hole hard and he's sure handed. 

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    Incredibly underrated by this fanbase. Very talented. He was hampered by the knee, I am assuming a sprain, most of the year last year where Blount took his carries.

    Bolden is dangerous because he can catch well as well as he hits the hole with purpose. He is reminiscent of BJGE but I think he might have a bit more speed and runs a bit lower than BJGE.

    As much as I like RIdley, I would love to see Bolden take over as the lead back.

     
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    I would rather they work on the D. Last year the O ranked 3rd in the league. How much better do you think they can get? They really haven't lost anyone. Last years rookies will be better and could be considerably better.

    There really is no need for anymore "Help for #12" when compared to the definite need for help on the D unless that help shows up in the form of a good o-lineman or two.

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    The D needed to be healthy last year to show its true quality. It wasn't and it cost them.

    The offense meanwhile, continues to disappoint in postseason games. I realize Gronk was not available again, but that shouldn't mean Brady just fold and not care.

    The only reason why NAS and his little Brady Ballwashing Guild start threads like this is to create a preemptive strike in case Brady chokes it down again with loaded talent as the team to beat in the AFC.

     

     
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    I think like we've seen in the past couple years (loading up on D in the draft to improve a horrendous D), will happen this year for the offense.

    This draft is very deep at the WR position, Id be willing to bet we will grab a tightend or receiver in the first two rounds. I think if they ever were able to land both Cooks and Armano, all problems would be solved. I think Boyce is a guy who has to improve - he's got too much talent - I hope he is working hard to be the player he can be. I'd love to see them add a running back that doesn't have to come off the field...a guy who doesn't have to be subbed in and make the offense predictable. I want a guy who can catch and run between the tackles and heaven forbid get outside. Too me that would really improve this offense.

    The players are there in this draft to really improve this offense, I think it's a no brainer we will be going in that direction...it's where the value is.

     
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    I'd be looking to draft OL before WR. Im hoping Boyce can be the guy for NE that can stretch the field. 

    I'm not sure if either of these two guys will there at 29 but I like G/T Yankey from Stanford or C Martin from USC. The game is won or lost in the trenches. Denver beat up NE on both sides of the ball at the line of scrimmage in the AFC matchup. A stud center like Martin next to Mankins and Solder would be a good start. I like Yankey for his versatility and as insurance for Volmer. Go Pats. 

     
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    I think like we've seen in the past couple years (loading up on D in the draft to improve a horrendous D), will happen this year for the offense.

    This draft is very deep at the WR position, Id be willing to bet we will grab a tightend or receiver in the first two rounds. I think if they ever were able to land both Cooks and Armano, all problems would be solved. I think Boyce is a guy who has to improve - he's got too much talent - I hope he is working hard to be the player he can be. I'd love to see them add a running back that doesn't have to come off the field...a guy who doesn't have to be subbed in and make the offense predictable. I want a guy who can catch and run between the tackles and heaven forbid get outside. Too me that would really improve this offense.

    The players are there in this draft to really improve this offense, I think it's a no brainer we will be going in that direction...it's where the value is.

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    Don't try to steal my analysis now. You have been pisssing in the wind on that concept, amongst other concepts, for years and years.

    You refused to let BB rebuild on the fly off the lockout and now want to ride on the coat tails of that bounty. Ain't happening as long as I am here to point out that hypocrisy.

    I can catch a football and run a simple route an RB runs, so any one of these RBs can do it. We just need an QB who believes in the power of what that kind of a play represents to an opposing D, instead of wanting to run shotgun spread base schemes constantly, comprosing the concept of what throwing to an RB even means.

    If Brady is not going to buy in to being back under center, maybe rolling out once in a while and swinging passes out into the flat to engage the LBs, schematically, then it's all pointless.

    This is all about Brady.

    It's a myth the RBs need to have the hands of Larry Centers to incorporate this concept into a gameplan. It should be something that is done every game against a good D as early as possible in the game.

     

     
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    They have 3 young WRs from last year who showed some promise. They say the biggest jump in progress is between years one and two. Having had a year in the system, Dobson, Boyce and Thompkins might be much better and more reliable this year. I wouldn't give up on them yet. There is no guarantee that whoever is brought in will have a huge impact, as we have seen several times over the past seasons. I'm more interested in another big receiving TE who can also block. 

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    I wish I saw those three as you did.  I would be much more optimistic.  Instead of seeing three that showed promise, I see one who barely played (Boyce), one who had a big chance and ended up benched for the second half of the season (Thompkins) and a guy who had a couple of good games to go along with butter fingers (Dobson).

    I would be thrilled if I were 100% wrong and one of these guys turned into a legit NFL top receiver, or even a #2.  As for now, I'm hoping the Pats can find a way to get that guy.

     

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    I think the jury is still out on all those guys.  I don't feel terribly confident that any is going to be all that good.  And I'm also not enamored of Edelman to the extent many others are.  I agree we need some improvement still at this position.  The exception would be if we got a very good receiving TE in the draft.  

     
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    He's starting to help himself a bit my taking some accountability.  He's wearing the pants now, forcing Giselle to move to Boston so this LA glam crap can come to an end until his career is over, at least.  So annoying.

    Next, he's at least show signs of admitting he didn't play that well in postseasons where he hadn't for many years.

    Further, BB just did what all the whiny pink hats wanted here, which was to load up on defense.

    BB tried to do that on D to play to the Goodell NFL and it worked well overall, but it was not good enough to secure a title, mainly due to Brady's own disappearences when the chips were on the table.

    So, enough with this "Brady does not have any help" crap.  LaFell is like a David GIvens, they have 3 younger WRs, two of whom had very nice rookie years, and with Brady in Boston in the offseason for once and likely at the facility with these WRs on a regular basis, it bodes well for continued growth in the passing game.

    Amendola put up Patten production last year and Edelman back again only helps.

    The WR position is actually LOADED with talent and now there is a base of contiuity moving forward, as opposed to swapping out WRs every offseason like has been happening.

    I would say BB is pretty happy overall with what he has. The question remains....Will Brady and his spoiled self be just as happy in January?  No more hands on the hips and stare downs with pouting, please.

    It's all about Brady now.  QBs can only dream of having Gronk to throw to, too. 

    Leave it to Handy to think a name on a jersey that ESPN praises at WR somehow is how you satisfy Brady.  lol

    Absolutely clueless. Mike Wallace is being paid 13 mil per down in Miami as a bust, on his way out. You, Mt Hurl, Pezzy, TFb12, etc, were all pining for a guy like that in here last offseason.

    You were warned.

    Finally, if someone like Steve Smith does not want a ring and wants an ego stroke with more money, choosing Baltimore's cap hell over a legit SB run here, that's his choice.  BB cannot force stubborn vets into making the better decision.

    You'd have to be a moron to think Baltimore is in bettter position for a playoff berth and SB title than the Pats.

     

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    Now that's a load . . . 

     

     
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    They have 3 young WRs from last year who showed some promise. They say the biggest jump in progress is between years one and two. Having had a year in the system, Dobson, Boyce and Thompkins might be much better and more reliable this year. I wouldn't give up on them yet. There is no guarantee that whoever is brought in will have a huge impact, as we have seen several times over the past seasons. I'm more interested in another big receiving TE who can also block. 

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    I wish I saw those three as you did.  I would be much more optimistic.  Instead of seeing three that showed promise, I see one who barely played (Boyce), one who had a big chance and ended up benched for the second half of the season (Thompkins) and a guy who had a couple of good games to go along with butter fingers (Dobson).

    I would be thrilled if I were 100% wrong and one of these guys turned into a legit NFL top receiver, or even a #2.  As for now, I'm hoping the Pats can find a way to get that guy.

     

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    I think the jury is still out on all those guys.  I don't feel terribly confident that any is going to be all that good.  And I'm also not enamored of Edelman to the extent many others are.  I agree we need some improvement still at this position.  The exception would be if we got a very good receiving TE in the draft.  

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    Please sell your season tickets and find another team to root for.   Seriously. You are getting so annoying with your little 2007 addiction wanting the big name on the jersey to make you feel secure. You clearly were not a fan during the SB years. NO way.

    If you were, you'd know that both Dobson and Thompkins had better rookie years (or at least as good as Branch's) as any rookie WRs have in the BB era.

    You just don't get how we won SBs.  

     
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    He's starting to help himself a bit my taking some accountability.  He's wearing the pants now, forcing Giselle to move to Boston so this LA glam crap can come to an end until his career is over, at least.  So annoying.

     

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    ^ The Village Imbecile making things up again. They made 20 mil selling that house in a short term, you f'n moron. Making 100% profit in this economy, in a matter of months, is a no-brainer. There ought to be a law against being as stupid as you.

     
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    He's starting to help himself a bit my taking some accountability.  He's wearing the pants now, forcing Giselle to move to Boston so this LA glam crap can come to an end until his career is over, at least.  So annoying.

    Next, he's at least show signs of admitting he didn't play that well in postseasons where he hadn't for many years.

    Further, BB just did what all the whiny pink hats wanted here, which was to load up on defense.

    BB tried to do that on D to play to the Goodell NFL and it worked well overall, but it was not good enough to secure a title, mainly due to Brady's own disappearences when the chips were on the table.

    So, enough with this "Brady does not have any help" crap.  LaFell is like a David GIvens, they have 3 younger WRs, two of whom had very nice rookie years, and with Brady in Boston in the offseason for once and likely at the facility with these WRs on a regular basis, it bodes well for continued growth in the passing game.

    Amendola put up Patten production last year and Edelman back again only helps.

    The WR position is actually LOADED with talent and now there is a base of contiuity moving forward, as opposed to swapping out WRs every offseason like has been happening.

    I would say BB is pretty happy overall with what he has. The question remains....Will Brady and his spoiled self be just as happy in January?  No more hands on the hips and stare downs with pouting, please.

    It's all about Brady now.  QBs can only dream of having Gronk to throw to, too. 

    Leave it to Handy to think a name on a jersey that ESPN praises at WR somehow is how you satisfy Brady.  lol

    Absolutely clueless. Mike Wallace is being paid 13 mil per down in Miami as a bust, on his way out. You, Mt Hurl, Pezzy, TFb12, etc, were all pining for a guy like that in here last offseason.

    You were warned.

    Finally, if someone like Steve Smith does not want a ring and wants an ego stroke with more money, choosing Baltimore's cap hell over a legit SB run here, that's his choice.  BB cannot force stubborn vets into making the better decision.

    You'd have to be a moron to think Baltimore is in bettter position for a playoff berth and SB title than the Pats.

     

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    Now that's a load . . . 

     

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    The only way you can be right is if Dobson, Thompkins, Boyce and even Amendola all regress.

    If Gronk can be back by mid/late year, this makes these players even more dangerous.

    Why do WRs need to be superstars elsewhere to be accepted here? Why? When did this happen?

    I tell ya when...2007..when pinkies like you joined our fanbase. What does it feel like to be known as a liar when you say you're a longtime Pats fan.

    You're not.  You got season tickets from someone very recently due to finanical connections and wanted to be part of a trendy, winning franchise.

    Step aside, boy...Many of us have been patient watching BB masterfully put this together off the lockout with superb drafts overall, positioning himself perfectly in FA, plucking players at will from those in a cap hell.

    Brady choked with Moss and Welker. That ship has sailed.  Time for you to move on as well.

    Some of us want a SB. We don't care about stats and aerial fireworks that entertain the simple minded pink hat fan who doesn't get the deeper concepts of the sport.

     
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    He's starting to help himself a bit my taking some accountability.  He's wearing the pants now, forcing Giselle to move to Boston so this LA glam crap can come to an end until his career is over, at least.  So annoying.

     

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    ^ The Village Imbecile making things up again. They made 20 mil selling that house in a short term, you f'n moron. Making 100% profit in this economy, in a matter of months, is a no-brainer. There ought to be a law against being as stupid as you.

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    As a Pats fan, I do not care about any player's off field business investments.  No one cared about Brady in this way pre 2007. No one.

    This proves you're a bandwagon fan.

    The only thing Brady used to care about was being the first one in to work with the offensive players in the offseason winning the award every year on his way to good postseasons at the end of the year, hopefully hosting the Lombardi.

    Hopefully, staying on the east coast now will prove to benefit Brady's focus yet again, where it's clearly been a problem in previous seasons.

    The Binky Club needs to go away.

     
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