Help for #12

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    He's starting to help himself a bit my taking some accountability.  He's wearing the pants now, forcing Giselle to move to Boston so this LA glam crap can come to an end until his career is over, at least.  So annoying.

    Next, he's at least show signs of admitting he didn't play that well in postseasons where he hadn't for many years.

    Further, BB just did what all the whiny pink hats wanted here, which was to load up on defense.

    BB tried to do that on D to play to the Goodell NFL and it worked well overall, but it was not good enough to secure a title, mainly due to Brady's own disappearences when the chips were on the table.

    So, enough with this "Brady does not have any help" crap.  LaFell is like a David GIvens, they have 3 younger WRs, two of whom had very nice rookie years, and with Brady in Boston in the offseason for once and likely at the facility with these WRs on a regular basis, it bodes well for continued growth in the passing game.

    Amendola put up Patten production last year and Edelman back again only helps.

    The WR position is actually LOADED with talent and now there is a base of contiuity moving forward, as opposed to swapping out WRs every offseason like has been happening.

    I would say BB is pretty happy overall with what he has. The question remains....Will Brady and his spoiled self be just as happy in January?  No more hands on the hips and stare downs with pouting, please.

    It's all about Brady now.  QBs can only dream of having Gronk to throw to, too. 

    Leave it to Handy to think a name on a jersey that ESPN praises at WR somehow is how you satisfy Brady.  lol

    Absolutely clueless. Mike Wallace is being paid 13 mil per down in Miami as a bust, on his way out. You, Mt Hurl, Pezzy, TFb12, etc, were all pining for a guy like that in here last offseason.

    You were warned.

    Finally, if someone like Steve Smith does not want a ring and wants an ego stroke with more money, choosing Baltimore's cap hell over a legit SB run here, that's his choice.  BB cannot force stubborn vets into making the better decision.

    You'd have to be a moron to think Baltimore is in bettter position for a playoff berth and SB title than the Pats.

     

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    Now that's a load . . . 

     

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    The imbecile always thinks BB's draft fails are world-class talent. The list of failures he has touted is as long as your arm.

    Remember how he was praising Spikes as if he was the second coming of Butkus? BB lets him walk and the imbecile doesn't say a word.

    He remains,  the laughing stock of the board.

     
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    He's starting to help himself a bit my taking some accountability.  He's wearing the pants now, forcing Giselle to move to Boston so this LA glam crap can come to an end until his career is over, at least.  So annoying.

     

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    ^ The Village Imbecile making things up again. They made 20 mil selling that house in a short term, you f'n moron. Making 100% profit in this economy, in a matter of months, is a no-brainer. There ought to be a law against being as stupid as you.

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    As a Pats fan, I do not care about any player's off field business investments.  No one cared about Brady in this way pre 2007. No one.

    This proves you're a bandwagon fan.

    The only thing Brady used to care about was being the first one in to work with the offensive players in the offseason winning the award every year on his way to good postseasons at the end of the year, hopefully hosting the Lombardi.

    Hopefully, staying on the east coast now will prove to benefit Brady's focus yet again, where it's clearly been a problem in previous seasons.

    The Binky Club needs to go away.

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    Yeah, been on that bandwagon for 48 years, you moron. That's around a decade before the error that is yourself even existed.

    The mediocre GM needed to go away. Looks like he may have finally smartened up and brought in some help, as those of us with a clue have been asking for years.

     

     
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    He's starting to help himself a bit my taking some accountability.  He's wearing the pants now, forcing Giselle to move to Boston so this LA glam crap can come to an end until his career is over, at least.  So annoying.

    Next, he's at least show signs of admitting he didn't play that well in postseasons where he hadn't for many years.

    Further, BB just did what all the whiny pink hats wanted here, which was to load up on defense.

    BB tried to do that on D to play to the Goodell NFL and it worked well overall, but it was not good enough to secure a title, mainly due to Brady's own disappearences when the chips were on the table.

    So, enough with this "Brady does not have any help" crap.  LaFell is like a David GIvens, they have 3 younger WRs, two of whom had very nice rookie years, and with Brady in Boston in the offseason for once and likely at the facility with these WRs on a regular basis, it bodes well for continued growth in the passing game.

    Amendola put up Patten production last year and Edelman back again only helps.

    The WR position is actually LOADED with talent and now there is a base of contiuity moving forward, as opposed to swapping out WRs every offseason like has been happening.

    I would say BB is pretty happy overall with what he has. The question remains....Will Brady and his spoiled self be just as happy in January?  No more hands on the hips and stare downs with pouting, please.

    It's all about Brady now.  QBs can only dream of having Gronk to throw to, too. 

    Leave it to Handy to think a name on a jersey that ESPN praises at WR somehow is how you satisfy Brady.  lol

    Absolutely clueless. Mike Wallace is being paid 13 mil per down in Miami as a bust, on his way out. You, Mt Hurl, Pezzy, TFb12, etc, were all pining for a guy like that in here last offseason.

    You were warned.

    Finally, if someone like Steve Smith does not want a ring and wants an ego stroke with more money, choosing Baltimore's cap hell over a legit SB run here, that's his choice.  BB cannot force stubborn vets into making the better decision.

    You'd have to be a moron to think Baltimore is in bettter position for a playoff berth and SB title than the Pats.

     

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    Loaded?????

    As in drunk?

    As in a loaded diaper?

    That's the only way I can see that O as loaded.

    Thank god, Lombardi convinced bb to fix the D.

    Having that crap on the field for the past 6 years has killed any shot of a championship and it's about time bb has taken all the weight off of TB's shoulders.  It takes a balanced team, not a top rated O and a bottom rated D.

    Yes, a little more help on O is needed.  The TE situation, sucks and will fail without an adequate back up or two.  The receivers are bah, no true talent.  Just a bunch of sow's ears.

    No one even wanted their best receiver, when he hit FA.  VERY TELLING!

    We've all seen what TB can do with a true #1.  So sad, the D blew it as usual.

     
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    This draft is very deep at the WR position, Id be willing to bet we will grab a tightend or receiver in the first two rounds.

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    That doesn't say much for the greatest GM of all-time's 2nd round WR pick last year.

     
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    Methinks the 3 rookies WR's (Thompins, Dobson, Boyce) we drafted last year will be a much improved this year.  Add them to the little "semi-big 3" (Amendola, Edelman, Lefell) and Tom's got one his best receiving grew ever. TE depends on Gronk and a draft pic, RB is set with Ridely, Vereen and a draft pic. The best thing about th the offense is the OL, all returning, that great. 

     
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    Receiving yds by WRs in 2012: 2,708 (WW 1,354, Lloyd 911, Edel 235, Branch 145, Stallw 63)

    Receiving yds by WRs in 2013: 2,878 (Edel 1,056, DA 633, Dobs 519, Thomp 486, Boyce 121, Collie 63)

    Receiving yds by TEs in 2012: 1,479 (Gronk 790, Hern 483, Hoom 109, Fells 85, Winslow 12)

    Receiving yds by TEs in 2013: 744 (Gronk 592, Hoom 136, Mull 16)

    Total passing yds in 2012: 4,844

    Total passing yds in 2013: 4,343

    You still think the answer lies in a flashy wideout?

    You want to fix the problem, replace Hern for starters.

     
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    I had hoped that one of the big goals for the off season was to get some help for Brady.  I don't care that Blount is gone (what a bust in the afcccg) but I expected a little more than Lafell. 

    I didn't expect Belichick to get Calvin Johnson in here or even another team's #1, but a #2 would have been nice.

    Does anyone think there is more to come, or is the hope of a really good wide receiver for this season dead already?

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         If you really want to see Brady get "help", wish that he gets an improved OL and a more stout defense. The Pats can get by wothout a stud WR! Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and David Givens will never be Hall of Famers...but they won rings in New England. 

     
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    One area of help for TB is to convince a certain poster that all of the Pats ills are not Tom Brady's fault alone.  The collapses of the defense late in SBs 42 &  46 are not TB's fault. The fact the Pats did not have a great pass rush is not TBs fault.  The fact the Pats 3rd down defense is poor is not TBs fault.  The fact the Pats lost many players to injuries last season is not TBs fault. Lastly, the fact that TB can't play 22 positions at one time is not TBs fault.

     
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    TB12 got help on the defensive side of the ball. If the offense stays relatively healthy (Gronk), they'll be near the top of the league again.

     
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    TB12 got help on the defensive side of the ball. If the offense stays relatively healthy (Gronk), they'll be near the top of the league again.

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         The Pats are old and tired at DT, and still can't rush the passer well enough to put them over the top against Denver. On offense, OC Wendell is mediocre at best, as is RG Dan Connelly. Both positions need to be upgraded, in order to keep Tom healthy. Tom was hit and sacked far too many times last year. 

     
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    TB12 got help on the defensive side of the ball. If the offense stays relatively healthy (Gronk), they'll be near the top of the league again.

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    Up until this season, hopefully we'll see, this is true.  After too many years of using the offense as the crutch for a failing defense, the light came on.

    When the Pats played a team with an offense that can go toe to toe with its offense, but, faced a defense which can do a better job of slowing down the Pats offense while the Pats defense can't slow the other offense down, we saw the results. The Pats needed to go back to the days in which it had a defense which could make critical stops in big games.

     
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    Methinks the 3 rookies WR's (Thompins, Dobson, Boyce) we drafted last year will be a much improved this year.  Add them to the little "semi-big 3" (Amendola, Edelman, Lefell) and Tom's got one his best receiving grew ever. TE depends on Gronk and a draft pic, RB is set with Ridely, Vereen and a draft pic. The best thing about th the offense is the OL, all returning, that great. 

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    One hopes of course, but there's no guarantee.  The realists understand that Boyce couldn't get on the field last year, Thompkins was benched, and Dobson was only so-so (and has a broken foot to boot).  

    Edelman is a decent slot receiver but was ineffective against Denver in the playoffs when we needed a guy to stretch the field, Amendola looked good in about two games, was injured most of the season, and disappeared in the playoffs.  LaFell is a nice second or third option--but it would be a real step up for him to be a number 1. 

    I'd love to say this is a "loaded" receiving corp, but the person in me who watches football without the rose-coloured homer glasses on says that this is receiving corp loaded only with question marks.

     

     
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    TB12 got help on the defensive side of the ball. If the offense stays relatively healthy (Gronk), they'll be near the top of the league again.

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    Yeah, that's the problem, "near the top".

     
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    Receiving yds by WRs in 2012: 2,708 (WW 1,354, Lloyd 911, Edel 235, Branch 145, Stallw 63)

    Receiving yds by WRs in 2013: 2,878 (Edel 1,056, DA 633, Dobs 519, Thomp 486, Boyce 121, Collie 63)

    Receiving yds by TEs in 2012: 1,479 (Gronk 790, Hern 483, Hoom 109, Fells 85, Winslow 12)

    Receiving yds by TEs in 2013: 744 (Gronk 592, Hoom 136, Mull 16)

    Total passing yds in 2012: 4,844

    Total passing yds in 2013: 4,343

    You still think the answer lies in a flashy wideout?

    You want to fix the problem, replace Hern for starters.



    Looks like we target the slot recievers a lot. Short to intermediate passing. Looks like a team easy to predict, what they will do on crucial situations. Add the TE in, pretty much the targets for TB. Need Recievers that stretch the field, less underneath in the heart of the Defense.
    You have a guy that can pull the Safety, because of his deep threat, and underneath stuff becomes even more dangerous.

     
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    He's starting to help himself a bit my taking some accountability.  He's wearing the pants now, forcing Giselle to move to Boston so this LA glam crap can come to an end until his career is over, at least.  So annoying.

    Next, he's at least show signs of admitting he didn't play that well in postseasons where he hadn't for many years.

    Further, BB just did what all the whiny pink hats wanted here, which was to load up on defense.

    BB tried to do that on D to play to the Goodell NFL and it worked well overall, but it was not good enough to secure a title, mainly due to Brady's own disappearences when the chips were on the table.

    So, enough with this "Brady does not have any help" crap.  LaFell is like a David GIvens, they have 3 younger WRs, two of whom had very nice rookie years, and with Brady in Boston in the offseason for once and likely at the facility with these WRs on a regular basis, it bodes well for continued growth in the passing game.

    Amendola put up Patten production last year and Edelman back again only helps.

    The WR position is actually LOADED with talent and now there is a base of contiuity moving forward, as opposed to swapping out WRs every offseason like has been happening.

    I would say BB is pretty happy overall with what he has. The question remains....Will Brady and his spoiled self be just as happy in January?  No more hands on the hips and stare downs with pouting, please.

    It's all about Brady now.  QBs can only dream of having Gronk to throw to, too. 

    Leave it to Handy to think a name on a jersey that ESPN praises at WR somehow is how you satisfy Brady.  lol

    Absolutely clueless. Mike Wallace is being paid 13 mil per down in Miami as a bust, on his way out. You, Mt Hurl, Pezzy, TFb12, etc, were all pining for a guy like that in here last offseason.

    You were warned.

    Finally, if someone like Steve Smith does not want a ring and wants an ego stroke with more money, choosing Baltimore's cap hell over a legit SB run here, that's his choice.  BB cannot force stubborn vets into making the better decision.

    You'd have to be a moron to think Baltimore is in bettter position for a playoff berth and SB title than the Pats.

     

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    Loaded?????

    As in drunk?

    As in a loaded diaper?

    That's the only way I can see that O as loaded.

    Thank god, Lombardi convinced bb to fix the D.

    Having that crap on the field for the past 6 years has killed any shot of a championship and it's about time bb has taken all the weight off of TB's shoulders.  It takes a balanced team, not a top rated O and a bottom rated D.

    Yes, a little more help on O is needed.  The TE situation, sucks and will fail without an adequate back up or two.  The receivers are bah, no true talent.  Just a bunch of sow's ears.

    No one even wanted their best receiver, when he hit FA.  VERY TELLING!

    We've all seen what TB can do with a true #1.  So sad, the D blew it as usual.

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    Agreed.

     
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    The underneath stuff could be accomplished with RB's, who are more Physical to break tackles for longer gains. Remember Roger Craig? Ravens use Ray Rice like this.

     
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    We used Troy Brown differently then we use our Slot Recieves today, or since 08. He was like a safety valve, not a primary reciever,

     
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    IMO, the best way to help Brady is to improve the OL, then improve the DL/DE/OLB pass rush.

    keep him upright, keep games close

     
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    The Receivers Rule crowd is just so deluded. What do Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Wes Welker, AJ Green, Cris Carter, Ochocinco, Demaryious Thomas and Brandon Marshall (and I could go on) have in common with you and me? No rings.

    What did they win when they had Moss?  The teams with the best receivers don't win anything.

    Their wide receivers were more productive last year than in 2012. They lost Hernandez for the whole year and Gronk played six games. If there was a problem with the passing game, that was it.

    Stop it with they need a flashy receiver stuff. You're embarrassing yourselves. 

     
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    The offseason isn't over yet, meaning, maybe there will be a interesting cut or two down the line.  Who knows but if the defense is back to its old ways, with a healthy bunch of TEs and WRs they should be ok.

     
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    Really? Cmon...

    What else is needed? Lafell is Givens 2.0, we have the three rookies who could all take huge strides, and the white boys Amendola and Edelman who are both bound to stay healthy at some point. Add on top of that, Gronk will be back.

    The Pats need one thing, as MB has pointed out on the draft thread numerous times, a real AH flex type guy as a replacement. Kelvin Benjamin. That's who we need. 6'5 and move him around everwhere. then take a TE too and problem solved.

    Now I know everyone falls in love with stats for WR, thats why Lafell isnt too impressive but Lafell had 600 yds 7tds in an ultra conservative offense as a #3 target. He could be the #2 here and with a better QB and better Offense his #'s are bound to go up.

    Also, between DA, JE and Boyce one of the three is bound to stay healthy, right? there that's your slot man. and the other healthy one is your outside WR behind Dobson, hoping he takes huge strides.

    This offense is built like the superbowl days, 5-6 possession WR.

    Everyone thinks a WR with stats is what is amazing. Thats why everyone loved Welker, as did I, because of his crazy stats. but this season's team could easily see 5-7 WR/TE that have 600-900 yards just like in Superbowl days. There is no 'go to' but all good WRs and variety in the offense. No one of these WRs is gonna put up huge numbers so I assume that will keep people bi#ching, because they all love stats.

    Tell me, what were you guys thinking back in 2003 when TB had Troy Brown (think JE), David Patten, and a couple younglings in Givens (Lafell)and Branch (Boyce, DA)? and the freaking TE was Christian Fauria and Graham. This board must've been up in arms, no? 

    We all want studs, but as long as the rooks progress fine and DA, Je stay healthy (hey its bound to happen eventually right?) and we draft the big WR the offense will be just fine. They will be able move on anyone. Imagine that with Gronk and Vereen healthy? crazy.

    I would stop worrying.. We are in for a top 5 defense this year and a top 10 offense (again) and possibly top 5.

    Brady has all the help he needs in Revis, Browner, and his 5-6 good WRs just add even more potential in Kelvin Benjamin or someone like that and we're set imo

     

     
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    The Receivers Rule crowd is just so deluded. What do Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Wes Welker, AJ Green, Cris Carter, Ochocinco, Demaryious Thomas and Brandon Marshall (and I could go on) have in common with you and me? No rings.

    What did they win when they had Moss?  The teams with the best receivers don't win anything.

    Their wide receivers were more productive last year than in 2012. They lost Hernandez for the whole year and Gronk played six games. If there was a problem with the passing game, that was it.

    Stop it with they need a flashy receiver stuff. You're embarrassing yourselves. 

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    How many rings do Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt, Art Monk, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Hines Ward, Rod Smith, Anquan Boldin have combined? I can pick and choose a list to fit my argument too..

    You don't need a flashy receiver to win a SB but they certainly don't hurt your chances.

     
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    I would have really liked for them to hold onto Blount.  A strong running game is one of the best helps you can give #12.  Another way is to strengthen that line around him, give him time and keep him upright.  I for one would love to draft a big strong promising Olineman in the draft. 

    But I'm guessing you were mostly talking about guys he can throw to.  I'm sure our receiving core is going to look better this year than last.  We were far too reliant on 3 rookies who looked lost in the woods all too often.  They all got better as time went on, and with another offseason, camp, better famaliarity with the playbook and most importantly some luck in the health dept, I suspect we will have a strong group there. 

    We're he really needs help, is TE.  TE has become his safety blanket and binky rolled into one these last few years (along with the slot receiver), and between Hernandez going Scarface, and Gronk just unable to get healthy again things have gone to hell in a handbasket.  That said if we draft a TE in the first or second round I will be very happy.  I'll wager Brady will be too. 

     
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    The Receivers Rule crowd is just so deluded. What do Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Wes Welker, AJ Green, Cris Carter, Ochocinco, Demaryious Thomas and Brandon Marshall (and I could go on) have in common with you and me? No rings.

    What did they win when they had Moss?  The teams with the best receivers don't win anything.

    Their wide receivers were more productive last year than in 2012. They lost Hernandez for the whole year and Gronk played six games. If there was a problem with the passing game, that was it.

    Stop it with they need a flashy receiver stuff. You're embarrassing yourselves. 

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    How many rings do Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt, Art Monk, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Hines Ward, Rod Smith, Anquan Boldin have combined? I can pick and choose a list to fit my argument too..

    You don't need a flashy receiver to win a SB but they certainly don't hurt your chances.

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    Apples and oranges. Exceptions that prove the rule. Yeah, if you back thirty years you find a few top receivers on really good teams, other than Rice, none of them were the reason their teams were great. If you can identify the next Rice, sign me up. 

    Most of these guys were possession receivers on run first offenses. Rice and Irvin were anti-divas if there ever was such a thing. Holt and Bruce were on a record setting team that squeeked out a SB win by a yard.  Harrison and Wayne were handed their one ring. Ward, Boldin, good players but not flashy, speed guys. Possession guys known for blocking and catching the ball in traffic as much as anything.

    Rod Smith and Art Monk, really? Why leave out Raymond Berry and Don Hutson? They were really good too. And Bob Hayes and Fred Biletnikoff and Paul Warfield.

    Nobody's arguing you can win without any receivers, but you don't need flashy 4.3 diva guys, the type that a lot of people here seem to be pining for. 

     
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    Really? Cmon...

    What else is needed? Lafell is Givens 2.0, we have the three rookies who could all take huge strides, and the white boys Amendola and Edelman who are both bound to stay healthy at some point. Add on top of that, Gronk will be back.

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    That's a ton of uncertainty, way too much for what should be expected from this Pats team.

    Lafell:  unknown

    Last year's rookies:  unknown

    Health of Amendola/Edelman:  unknown

    Health of Gronkowski:  unknown

     

     
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