Re: Here comes Payton....
posted at 10/5/2012 5:36 PM EDT
In response to pcmIV's comment:
In response to UD6's comment:
Yes I am sure all of those pre 2007 losses will have much to do with Manning's performance Sunday. His last loss was in 2010 when he was playing with a makeshift team and offensive while nursing the injury that kept him out of the 2011 season. And even with that team, he gave the pats a scare most of you remember.
Again I said old self. Even Manning admits he's not 100%. Is he close enough to that number to be effective is the question.
Manning's got a better defense on the other side. You may or may not recall the ineffective d tackles of the colts and playing their 4th string strong safety along with two back up LB's.
Anyway, I'm not predicting a victory. I really don't know how strong Manning is yet.
But, as they say, that's why they play the game.
The point of bringing up his record in Foxborough is precisely that Manning "playing like his old self" in the past was not sufficient for him to win. Why would that be different now? I was not implying that it somehow will influence his actual performance on Sunday. That is simply a straw man. As I noted previously New England dropped 40+ points on the Broncos in both matchups last season. If they do that again it won't matter how Manning plays.
Actually playing like his old self actually has been fairly sufficient most recently with the exception of his and the colts substantially injuries in 2010 season. Admittedly, I should have said pre-2005, because Manning won there in the 05 and 06 seasons and then lost in 10. That's 2 of the last 3 in foxborough. And as I said, Manning knows Belichick as well as anyone. He also beat the pats in 09, 08, and the 06 playoffs. Heck that's 5 of the last 7 times.
We'll find out if the venue matters.
As for the games against Denver, you didn't say it but make the assumption that you assume Manning really is no different than Tebow, since the argument you make is that last year's scores somehow may affect this year's outcome.
I'll say that offensive ineptitude can really hurt a defense's performance. the pats may have dropped 40 on Denver twice last year, but with Tebow under center can you honestly say you were surprised? Tebow and his teammates lost 4 fumbles resulting in 24 points for the pats over those games. I can guarantee you that you will not see the same brand of offensive football from Denver on Sunday, and Manning's brand of football will be much more likely to expose the weaknesses of the pats defense that Tebow does not possess the talent to.
Anyway, I am not predicting a win for Denver. They shouldn't win (but they can). You keep looking for logical fallacies, but I'd give up on the argument that the somehow the Sunday's outcome could be the same as last year because of last year's outcomes.