Herman Munster = Highest Paid Ever

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    In response to RidingWithTheKing's comment:

    Last time I checked that was an OLD team. 



    Not really.  Lewis is gone.  If Reed leaves the next oldest player who made any real contributions is Suggs at 30.  Now obviously Lewis and Reed are first ballot Hall of Famers so it's not like they aren't important, but the rest of the team isn't particularly old and tbh Lewis was over the hill by the end.

     
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    He will be extended after 3 years and his cap hit will not be an impediment.

     

    Explain this.  The combined cap hit over the last 3 years is 84.45 million.  Even if he were to agree to a 3 year extension FOR FREE (which is obviously impossible) the cap hit each year would be spread out to a little over 14 million (84.45/6).  They will either have to go longer or still eat a pretty large cap hit in the future.  Am I missing something?

     
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    I fail to understand the difference between Flaccos last 3 years and Bradys last 2 years that were just extended, other than the fact that Brady is older, making the risk to the Pats perhaps greater.

    Obviously, the Ravens see Flacco as their QB for the next 8-10 years.   




    There is a large difference between 3 years of 84.5 million cap hit  (Flacco's last 3) and Brady's previously 2 for 44.  In addition to get that number down Brady had to agree to an extension that averaged only 9 million a year.  And that only got Brady's number down to roughly 15 million.  Flacco has 2 years that are practically twice that without an extension.  It would take a heck of an extension to get Flacco's number down unless I am missing something.  A lot of years and a below market yearly value.  Yeah Brady got the guaranteed money, but who is to say Flacco will want to go that route?  He will be younger than Brady. 

     

     
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    and people said i was crazy for thinking he would get his $20 mil per

     

    this is great news, the ravens will be irrelevant for at least the next 6 years




    What are you talking about? The whole world knew he would get around 20.

     
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    Seriously though rkarp I do not understand how you could argue previously that the Pats were going to be stuck with Brady's cap hit unless they gave him an untenable extension (5 for 100) and at the same time wave away Flacco's future cap hits that are even larger with "they will give him a 3 year extension".  What gives?

     
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    I do not understand the structure of the Flacco's contract.  I don't think I've ever seen a contract so backloaded in my lifetime.  Unless they plan to cut him after year 3 they are going to have to extend him for a LONG time to make that part of the deal reasonable.  Consider that in order to get Brady's cap hit down from 21 million to like 15 NE had to extend him for 3 years at a below market average value.  Flacco will have 3 years of almost 30 million in cap hit if they don't extend him.  Perhaps they are banking on a significant salary cap increase because I don't see how they can get that number down without a HUGE extension.



    This is where the "capologists" come into play.  Obviously, there are contract allowances that teams know about that the general public does not.  For example, Flacco's bonus equates to 4.833 mill per year.  so simple cap understanding is that that amount + his salary equals his first year cap #, but his first year cap # is a million more than that.  How does that happen? 

    Anyway, what is evident is that nearly half of the contract is paid out in the last 3 years (58.6 mill).  If those years never happen then due to an extension or new contract.  It would seem to me that the new contract would have to include about 14.5 million in additional cap space for the unconsidered signing bonus from this contract.  But then again, I really don't how they get to the numbers they do. 

     
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    Re: Herman Munster = Highest Paid Ever

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    Seriously though rkarp I do not understand how you could argue previously that the Pats were going to be stuck with Brady's cap hit unless they gave him an untenable extension (5 for 100) and at the same time wave away Flacco's future cap hits that are even larger with "they will give him a 3 year extension".  What gives?

     



    Brady was owed roughly $42m for 2 years with a cap hit of $42m

     

    Flacco in essence is owed $62m for 3 years but the cap hit is approx $35m over 3 years

    Rather than extend Brady for 5/$100, with the back portion of his contract pretty much not guaranteed, the Pats gave Brady 5/$75 100% guaranteed.

    After 3 years, the Ravens will owe Flacco approx $60m. They could extend him 6 more years (making the deal 3 years plus 6 years), revert the $60m to a bonus spread out over the 6 years ($10m per) and pay him a base salary on top of the bonus. Obviously, there will be some give on Flaccos part, or at the back end of his contract he will be cut, and the team will incur some dead money 



    The only thing to add is that years 4-6 are meaningless except as they relate to the spread of the signing bonus.  The compensation related to those years will likely never happen (imo) and is meaningless because the amounts are not guaranteed.  If the contract is redone, they have no meaning to that year or future cap #'s. 

    What is meaningful, however, is how the unrealized bonus of 4.8/yr for 3 years as it relates to the cap is handled.  That has to be included in whatever new deal is done.

     
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    Re: Herman Munster = Highest Paid Ever

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    lots of high fiving going on here.  I remember when Brady took that so-called hometown discount after winning 3 superbowls so that the team would have space to pay other players and continue their run.  How'd that work out? 

    Then I remember Manning, taking a big contract, getting trashed here, then winning a superbowl. 

    So when brady took his big deal, most here said he deserved it, and he did.  Still didn't produce a SB.   

    Seems to me that the size of contract does not matter all that much. The details are more important and most large contracts don't get played out.  I don't really get the hoopla. 

    This board used to be all about SB victories.  That was it.  Now that that hasn't happened in nearly a decade you guys have gotten really petty about every other team. 

     

     




    Well for the most part it's about one person that likes to start threads continually about the salary cap. He loves to google articles about other team's so called short comings, bad contracts, aging units, draft busts, etc - it's not really about our football team anymore - it's about his agenda. It's no longer about us not winning Super Bowls, not spending to our own salary cap, missed oppurtunities, teams coming in here year after year in the playoffs and punching us in the face...it's about those same teams that beat us managing their salary caps wrong. It's pretty sad and laughable all at the same time.

     

    We have a good team. We have not won anything in ten years. Our hall of fame QB is getting older...I don't see why we need to run around in the off season bashing every organization when we ourselves rely on a aging QB to keep us going.



         Amen, brother. If the Raven haters would bother to examine the structure of Flacco's contract, they would see that it's a cap friendly deal for the team. Ozzie Newsome is one of, if not the best GM in the NFL.

         Come now...did the Ravens have any choice but to pay the man? The guy carried them to a world championship, and has taken over for Ray Lewis as the leader of his team. He EARNED his contract through his clutch play, and is a good QB. Whether he's elite will depend on whether he continue his stellar play, which he exhibited in the play-offs. 

         What did the critics expect...that the Ravens would let Joe walk, and bring in Michael Vick to lead them? Really...some of the posters here are absurd.  

     

     

     
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    Re: Herman Munster = Highest Paid Ever

    In response to RidingWithTheKing's comment:

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    all I said was his cap hit this year was very attractive to the team, and manageable the 2 years after that. He will be extended after 3 years and his cap hit will not be an impediment.

    Flacco's cap hit in 2016 is brutal and he's not wort the same as Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc, in 2014 and 2015 either.  The Ravens will have relief in 2015, but these next 2 drafts will be huge for them in terms of them being a 12 win kind of team.

    You also have no idea Even if he does divert the 29 million in 2016, it will look very bad in 2017 and beyond.   Flacco will never be considered elite in the top 5 of QBs in thise league.

     



    I had to distill these posts down. 

    Rusty - the fatal flaw in your argument is that 2016 is almost an average NFL's player's career away.  So much can happen between now and then.  IMO, the 2016 cap hit is meaningless except that it creates a necessity to redo the contract.  This is absolutely no different than Brady redoing his contract now. 

    What will be on the books for the Raven's to deal with is what is left over from Flacco's signing bonus.  That will be about 14.5 million.  Everything else is window dressing. 

    the salary amount owed in 2016 and beyond are not guaranteed, thus they are meaningless.  They can be ripped up or reworked into an extension.  Rkarp is right.   

     
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