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    I don't want to harp on and on about Faulk's catch on 4th and 2. But, he clearly had possession beyond the 1st down marker, and the official who made "the call" was not in a position to do so. Why was this official not overruled? On such a critical  play, why didn't the officials discuss it? The call was made too fast and without any consultation. Conspiracy?...I'm not going there, but I will say the NFL officiating crews need to be cleaned up considerably. 

    The NFL officials have cost many a team a win due to poor officiating. These officials and the league need to be held accountable for costing teams wins. If I can make the call from sitting on my butt on the couch, why can't the NFL with multiple officials on the field do the same?
    NFL officials are a joke. 
     
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    Since all of my other posts on this topic were erased, I'll bite.

    1.  How can you say he clearly had possession.  Did you see an angle that was directly across from the play like the line judge had?  If he was not qualified to make that call, who was?  No one else could clearly see the point of possession and the location of the player at the time of possession better than that side judge. 

    2.  You are wondering why officials did not discuss it?  They did. 

    3.  Why didn't Belichick challenge the call?  This is exactly the reason why they have replay - to challenge exactly such a play.

    4.  How about the pats put the game out of reach by scoring a TD after intercepting Manning with 7.5 minutes to go instead of settling for a FG? 

    5.  How about Brady throws the ball to a different receiver who's deep enough not to allow the call to be questioned? 

    I said it before (but no one saw it) and I'll say it again.  Belichick got exactly the game he wanted from those refs.  The pats DB's were all over Colts receivers (again!!!!) beyond 5 yards and not a single call on them in the game for it.  Not one. 

    This game is not even close to being the fault of the refs.  The colts practically gave the game away to the pats.
     
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    I couldn't agree with you more. This sure wouldn't be the first time.
     
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    underdoggg-

     Im not sure you actually watched the same game. 1. When you run out of time outs, you then can not challange anything. 2. The pass to Faulk was the safest bet, everyone knows that.

     
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    Since all of my other posts on this topic were erased, I'll bite. 1.  How can you say he clearly had possession.  Did you see an angle that was directly across from the play like the line judge had?  If he was not qualified to make that call, who was?  No one else could clearly see the point of possession and the location of the player at the time of possession better than that side judge.  2.  You are wondering why officials did not discuss it?  They did.  3.  Why didn't Belichick challenge the call?  This is exactly the reason why they have replay - to challenge exactly such a play. 4.  How about the pats put the game out of reach by scoring a TD after intercepting Manning with 7.5 minutes to go instead of settling for a FG?  5.  How about Brady throws the ball to a different receiver who's deep enough not to allow the call to be questioned?  I said it before (but no one saw it) and I'll say it again.  Belichick got exactly the game he wanted from those refs.  The pats DB's were all over Colts receivers (again!!!!) beyond 5 yards and not a single call on them in the game for it.  Not one.  This game is not even close to being the fault of the refs.  The colts practically gave the game away to the pats.
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    The refs are held accountable, they've got a system in place where they are fined for mistakes.  Imagine getting fined for mistakes you made on your "part-time" job. 
     Everybody needs to stop whining about calls and non-calls.  We were all taught in Pop Warner that you have to execute well enough throughout the game to overcome "poor officiating".  People are humans and humans make mistakes. 

    Coach couldn't challenge the call due to lack of an available.  Look up the rule.  You must have a timeout to "lose" if the challenge is lost.  Perhaps the Mr. Kraft could convince the conference committee to institute an ammendment to the rule, like a " 15yd penalty if the team had zero T.O.'s left.

    Nothing personal, but if you really think that PAT DB's were manhandling Colt WR's, then I suggest some sort of PRK /LASIK surgery may be in your future.  In other posts, I comment on their lack of proper technique.
     
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    underdoggg-  Im not sure you actually watched the same game. 1. When you run out of time outs, you then can not challange anything.
    Bingo.  We have a winner.  Why in the world isn't anyone panning Belichick for not having the timeout necessary to challenge.  It is EXACTLY FOR A SITUATION LIKE THIS THAT THE REPLAY RULE WAS INSTITUTED. 

    The play occurred in real time, not on video.  The line judge saw the bobble and in real time set the spot as he saw it.  Everyone is checking the replay which doesn't even present an andequate side angle from which to judge.  The only thing all of this hulabaloo tells me is why Belichick taped defending coaches signals as opposed to having someone record them with pencil and paper. 

    Finally, Mike Pereira has already said that even if the play had been challenged (if Belichick had the TO available) it wouldn't have been overturned because there was no way to conclusively overturn the refs ruling.

    2. The pass to Faulk was the safest bet, everyone knows that.
    Everyone?  I must have missed that because I thought for sure both Welker and Moss were known for having great hands.

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    You suggest Lasik.  I suggest you remove the rose colored glasses.  You could see the dbs all over receivers beyond 5 yards.  Belichick got the game he wanted.
     
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    2. The pass to Faulk was the safest bet, everyone knows that.
    Everyone?  I must have missed that because I thought for sure both Welker and Moss were known for having great hands.


    I agree with Randy and Wes having great hands. What Im saying is in that situation, a toss to Faulk was the best bet.
     
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    Since all of my other posts on this topic were erased, I'll bite. 1.  How can you say he clearly had possession.  Did you see an angle that was directly across from the play like the line judge had?  If he was not qualified to make that call, who was?  No one else could clearly see the point of possession and the location of the player at the time of possession better than that side judge. 

     

    It was the Head Linesman, #24. You seem to think he could see the play, but clearly, he couldn’t.

     

    2.  You are wondering why officials did not discuss it?  They did. 

     

    Before they spotted it? No they didn’t. The videotape clearly shows that. What probably happened was the Head Linesman made the call thinking it could be reviewed by the Pats.

     

    3. Why didn't Belichick challenge the call?  This is exactly the reason why they have replay - to challenge exactly such a play.

     

    As has been explained about 60 different times, he couldn’t because the Pats were out of timeouts. Otherwise, he would have.

     

    4. How about the pats put the game out of reach by scoring a TD after intercepting Manning with 7.5 minutes to go instead of settling for a FG? 
     

     

    Red herring. How about the refs get the spot correct. 

     

    5. How about Brady throws the ball to a different receiver who's deep enough not to allow the call to be questioned? 

     

    Did you see the pass rush? This is the only time in the game that Freeney actually got to Brady because Vollmer had to go for a linebacker. Brady had about .2 seconds to decide who to go to. He usually goes to Faulk or Welker. Welker would have been the hot read filling in the blitzoing LB, but his route also crossed with the Umpire. Brady made a good decision. The pass was caught. They got the first down. The refs blew it.

     

    I said it before (but no one saw it) and I'll say it again.  Belichick got exactly the game he wanted from those refs.  The pats DB's were all over Colts receivers (again!!!!) beyond 5 yards and not a single call on them in the game for it.  Not one. 
     

     

    You are right. There were 2. One of the more disputed calls was the phantom PI call on Butler and there was another one earlier. And you fail to mention that the Colts defenders were doing the same to the Pats receivers. Funny how on the only times PI was called was on the Pats. Bethea mugged Moss in the endzone, but Moss caught it. There still should have been a flag.

     

    This game is not even close to being the fault of the refs.  The colts practically gave the game away to the pats. Posted by underdoggg[/QUOTE]

     

    Yeah, nice spin. You know the Pats owned them for most of the game and that the Colts were handed the game wrapped in a bow by the refs.

     


     
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    37 - It was fine call and it was a good catch under great pressure.  The ref on the field on the plane that the play was made ruled what he saw.  here was no camera that was in a better position than that line judge to prove conclusively that Faulk got the first.  

    Even after giving up the ball, the pats still could have stopped the colts.  The colts only scored 1 TD in the entire first half.  They scored none in the entire 3rd Q.  That tells me that the defense had the ability to stop the colts again. 
     
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    Underdogg did you watch the game? Cause you said we didnt get called not even once for PI but Darius Butler our rookie CB was called for PI in the endzone late in the game so we were called for it. Your team on the other hand again magicly made it through an entire game with out a single flag being thrown their way. Only team I know that can go 8 quarters of football with out making a single mistake that costs the team a flag. I guess the Colts are just the only perfect team to ever play the game.....orrrrrrrr the refs give them a home town disscount and thats why they never catch any flags. I am not saying it is "them out to get us" I am not one of those people I am just saying its a little fishy that the colts dont get called for anything when they play the Pats. But the Pats who normally dont get flags get all these PI called on them when we play the Colts. I am not saying its some grand scheme or anything but its deffently worth talking about.
     
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    You suggest Lasik.  I suggest you remove the rose colored glasses.  You could see the dbs all over receivers beyond 5 yards.  Belichick got the game he wanted.
    Posted by underdoggg


    This can't be the same 2g Underdogg.  He wasn't THIS irrational or blind.  Go to NFL.com right now and review the highlight reel and come back.  If you still feel the same way, I have a referral to a specialist for you...
     
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    Mike Pereira weighed in on this? When? 

    I checked the NFL.com site and they don't the Week 10 Official Review
    posted yet. Did they already show it on Weekly Access?

     
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    I think the horse is dead and the Colts won.  Can't change the outcome now. let's move on!!
     
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    Since all of my other posts on this topic were erased, I'll bite. 1.  How can you say he clearly had possession.  Did you see an angle that was directly across from the play like the line judge had?  If he was not qualified to make that call, who was?  No one else could clearly see the point of possession and the location of the player at the time of possession better than that side judge. 

    It was the Head Linesman, #24. You seem to think he could see the play, but clearly, he couldn’t.

    Who could see it more clearly?  He knew that Faulk bobbled the ball.  He was on the plane of the play.  No camera angle or ref had a better angle than he.

    2.  You are wondering why officials did not discuss it?  They did. 

    Before they spotted it? No they didn’t. The videotape clearly shows that. What probably happened was the Head Linesman made the call thinking it could be reviewed by the Pats.

    Neither one of us can say what they were discussing.  lets just leave that one alone.

     

    3. Why didn't Belichick challenge the call?  This is exactly the reason why they have replay - to challenge exactly such a play.

    As has been explained about 60 different times, he couldn’t because the Pats were out of timeouts. Otherwise, he would have.

    Rhetorical question, and poor game management by the pats to not have it available.  Do you blame the refs for that, too?

     

    4. How about the pats put the game out of reach by scoring a TD after intercepting Manning with 7.5 minutes to go instead of settling for a FG? 
     

    Red herring. How about the refs get the spot correct. 


    How about Belichick keep some TO's so he can challenge the call?  Please explain how you know better than that side judge that they got the spot wrong.  Mike Pereira already said that the spot would not be changed if a challenge was available because the replay angles could not adequately determine the location of the spot.

    5. How about Brady throws the ball to a different receiver who's deep enough not to allow the call to be questioned? 

    Did you see the pass rush? This is the only time in the game that Freeney actually got to Brady because Vollmer had to go for a linebacker. Brady had about .2 seconds to decide who to go to. He usually goes to Faulk or Welker. Welker would have been the hot read filling in the blitzoing LB, but his route also crossed with the Umpire. Brady made a good decision. The pass was caught. They got the first down. The refs blew it.

    Ok - so the pass rush is the refs fault, too?

     

    I said it before (but no one saw it) and I'll say it again.  Belichick got exactly the game he wanted from those refs.  The pats DB's were all over Colts receivers (again!!!!) beyond 5 yards and not a single call on them in the game for it.  Not one. 
     

    You are right. There were 2. One of the more disputed calls was the phantom PI call on Butler and there was another one earlier. And you fail to mention that the Colts defenders were doing the same to the Pats receivers. Funny how on the only times PI was called was on the Pats. Bethea mugged Moss in the endzone, but Moss caught it. There still should have been a flag.


    Every deep ball is a possible PI.  I'd say the PI was questionable, but I can understand why it was called.  In real time, it looks like the defender loses his footing as he is turning to the ball and falls into Collie who is trying to get the ball.  I am not saying its right, but that's a 50/50 call without question.  Could have gone either way.  But since were discussing it, how come the colts never got one of those PI calls for holding receivers downfield. 

    Did you know there was a hold on Welker's return?  Watch the tape you'll see it.  I also saw at least one Vollmer hold that wasn't called.  Surprisingly no one here is mentioning these things.  Did you think that the pats were the only ones that got jobbed?  I'll say it again.  Belichick got the game he wanted from the refs. 

    This game is not even close to being the fault of the refs.  The colts practically gave the game away to the pats. Posted by underdoggg[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, nice spin. You know the Pats owned them for most of the game and that the Colts were handed the game wrapped in a bow by the refs.


    Not spin.  Colts dropped multiple balls in the first half.  drives were thwarted by stupid movement penalties at the line.  Colts gave up 3 big plays  in the which is very uncommon.  Manning threw 2 ints that had absolutely nothing to do with the pats.  One was a duck and the other was a QB/Receiver miscommunication.  The colts dropped 2 int's.  One would have been a pick six and I believe the other would have stopped a score (could be wrong).  The pats were great and took advantage of every colt miscue. 

    Here's the point - the colts won with a ton of places where they can be better and are.  The pats played their best football and lost.  Where do they improve?
     
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    Gents I have been all over the threads and commented dozens of times but the mods hid me while allowing me to think I was still being shown. 

    As for the pereira thing, I heard it on sirius nfl radio.  Either Adam Schein or Bob Papa.  I cannot remember.
     
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    LOL.

    The Umpire had a better view. He stayed back.

    No. Let's not leave it alone. They didn't get together or talk. They didn't discuss anything. You just made that up and got caught.

    It would have been great if the Pats did have a TO, but they didn't. The fact is that the Pats had the first down. A correct spot would have sealed the deal. Also, Manning, or whoever thinks he coaches the Colts, would have challenged the spot if it had been correct. That also would not have been overturned. The point here is that they got the spot wrong in the Colts favor. 

    Why would the pass rush be the ref's fault. You are now just being obtuse. You wanted to know why he didn't throw it elsewhere - I told you. He didn't have time and went with his first read. 

    A 50/50 call, by the rulebook, is not to be called on PI. It is actually written in there. 

    And you are right, every deep ball is a possible PI - if thrown by Manning.

    And, no, considering that the refs handed the game to the Colts, I don't think they got jobbed by any stretch. Are you actually complaining about non-calls when the refs handed you guys a win? Unbelievable.

    Actually, the Pats lost the game. The Colts didn't win it. The Colts don't need to improve. They have the refs.
     
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    Gents I have been all over the threads and commented dozens of times but the mods hid me while allowing me to think I was still being shown.  As for the pereira thing, I heard it on sirius nfl radio.  Either Adam Schein or Bob Papa.  I cannot remember.
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    Last I checked, neither Adam nor Bob were Ron. Did you hear it from Ron or did you hear someone quoting Ron or did you hear someone say they wouldn't overturn it anyway.

     
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      Since all of my other posts on this topic were erased, I'll bite. 1.  How can you say he clearly had possession.  Did you see an angle that was directly across from the play like the line judge had?  If he was not qualified to make that call, who was?  No one else could clearly see the point of possession and the location of the player at the time of possession better than that side judge.  It was the Head Linesman, #24. You seem to think he could see the play, but clearly, he couldn’t. Who could see it more clearly?  He knew that Faulk bobbled the ball.  He was on the plane of the play.  No camera angle or ref had a better angle than he. 2.  You are wondering why officials did not discuss it?  They did.  Before they spotted it? No they didn’t. The videotape clearly shows that. What probably happened was the Head Linesman made the call thinking it could be reviewed by the Pats. Neither one of us can say what they were discussing.  lets just leave that one alone.   3. Why didn't Belichick challenge the call?  This is exactly the reason why they have replay - to challenge exactly such a play. As has been explained about 60 different times, he couldn’t because the Pats were out of timeouts. Otherwise, he would have. Rhetorical question, and poor game management by the pats to not have it available.  Do you blame the refs for that, too?   4. How about the pats put the game out of reach by scoring a TD after intercepting Manning with 7.5 minutes to go instead of settling for a FG?    Red herring. How about the refs get the spot correct.  How about Belichick keep some TO's so he can challenge the call?  Please explain how you know better than that side judge that they got the spot wrong.  Mike Pereira already said that the spot would not be changed if a challenge was available because the replay angles could not adequately determine the location of the spot. 5. How about Brady throws the ball to a different receiver who's deep enough not to allow the call to be questioned?  Did you see the pass rush? This is the only time in the game that Freeney actually got to Brady because Vollmer had to go for a linebacker. Brady had about .2 seconds to decide who to go to. He usually goes to Faulk or Welker. Welker would have been the hot read filling in the blitzoing LB, but his route also crossed with the Umpire. Brady made a good decision. The pass was caught. They got the first down. The refs blew it. Ok - so the pass rush is the refs fault, too?   I said it before (but no one saw it) and I'll say it again.  Belichick got exactly the game he wanted from those refs.  The pats DB's were all over Colts receivers (again!!!!) beyond 5 yards and not a single call on them in the game for it.  Not one.    You are right. There were 2. One of the more disputed calls was the phantom PI call on Butler and there was another one earlier. And you fail to mention that the Colts defenders were doing the same to the Pats receivers. Funny how on the only times PI was called was on the Pats. Bethea mugged Moss in the endzone, but Moss caught it. There still should have been a flag. Every deep ball is a possible PI.  I'd say the PI was questionable, but I can understand why it was called.  In real time, it looks like the defender loses his footing as he is turning to the ball and falls into Collie who is trying to get the ball.  I am not saying its right, but that's a 50/50 call without question.  Could have gone either way.  But since were discussing it, how come the colts never got one of those PI calls for holding receivers downfield.  Did you know there was a hold on Welker's return?  Watch the tape you'll see it.  I also saw at least one Vollmer hold that wasn't called.  Surprisingly no one here is mentioning these things.  Did you think that the pats were the only ones that got jobbed?  I'll say it again.  Belichick got the game he wanted from the refs.  This game is not even close to being the fault of the refs.  The colts practically gave the game away to the pats.  Posted by underdoggg[/QUOTE ] Yeah, nice spin. You know the Pats owned them for most of the game and that the Colts were handed the game wrapped in a bow by the refs. Not spin.  Colts dropped multiple balls in the first half.  drives were thwarted by stupid movement penalties at the line.  Colts gave up 3 big plays  in the which is very uncommon.  Manning threw 2 ints that had absolutely nothing to do with the pats.  One was a duck and the other was a QB/Receiver miscommunication.  The colts dropped 2 int's.  One would have been a pick six and I believe the other would have stopped a score (could be wrong).  The pats were great and took advantage of every colt miscue.  Here's the point - the colts won with a ton of places where they can be better and are.  The pats played their best football and lost.  Where do they improve?
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    OK, I'll bite on this one, where do the Patriots improve? How about Tom Brady not trying to force a pass to Moss when double covered for an interception? How about Maroney not fumbling on the goal line? How about the Patriots not start playing prevent defense with 10+ minutes to go in the 4th quarter? How about the Patriots continue to run their normal offense in the 4th after getting the 17 point lead, instead of clock killing when they don't have the offense, or the defense to do that right now?

    Underdogg, if you are honest you'll admit you remember when I said in the 4th quarter after the Pats got the 17 point lead that they needed to try and extend it, they needed a killer instinct. They didn't use the killer instinct and they lost. If they had played to their strength in the 4th quarter, by running their normal offense and trying to extend the lead, to put their foot through the Colts throat, they would surely have won the game

    Underdogg, I'll concede to you that I was very suprised in the first half with the amount of contact being allowed by the refs on receivers, while I didn't see any un called pass interference there were a couple of times I was surprised there wasn't any illegal contact penalties called

    But that only makes the call on Butler even worse. Like every sport, the players adjust to the officiating during the game. How are you going to let that contact  go, on both sides, and then call that ticky tack penalty in crunch time in the 4th quarter?

    Underdogg, the Pats got screwed on both those late calls, if you were a fan you would agree. But I'm most frustrated that the Patriots let it get to that point in the first place. 

    Underdogg, don't fool yourself, the Patriots were the better team on the field in that game, and I feel very sure that the Patriots will win convincingly if the Colts/Pats meet in the playoffs. The Patriots have a long history of getting better as the season goes on, they will surely learn and improve from this game 
     
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    I know it kills you guys, but the refs didn't take this one from the Pats.  Sure, there were some close calls that went against the team, but that's almost always the case.  How often are there games without close calls?  The fact is: the Colts drove the ball 70 yards on their next-to-last drive for a TD, and then 29 yards for a TD while using up 1:45 of the final two minutes.  The Pats were unable to get a TD or use much of a clock on the drive the Colts gave them the ball @ about the Colt 35, and then couldn't get a single first down in four tries on the imfamous drive.  If the Pats would have done ANYTHING AT ALL on any of these four drives, they would have won the game.  But, I'm sure you'd all rather believe the refs stole the game because of a grand NFL conspiracy that involves every referee in the league.  lol.
     
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    You virtually never see forward progress taken away on a catch as clean as Faulk's in the middle of the field. 

    Al Michael's initially called it a first down catch and then changed the call when the ref reacted.

    The same ref missed Raheem Brock being in the neutral zone on both 3rd and 4th down.  If he lets the neutral zone infractions go (fine with me, let the players play) why does he get proactive and take away Faulk's forward progress?

    The Pats excuted the play.  The refs took it away from them.
     
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    On the issue of timeouts...well, better be ready to blame Welker too, he called one because the team wasn't lined up correctly. Was that a "wasted" TO? In retrospect, possibly. Hindsight is always 20/20. The Pats lost. Personally, I think due to questionable officiating, bad play-calling (NOT including the 4th and 2) that was a result of having no faith in "fumbles" Maroney. 6-3, probably going to cruise to the east title and get at least one home playoff game. That's more than enough for a team this good to make it to, and win the SB. The Colts don't scare me, they never do...they are consistently 7-0, 8-0, 9-0, they have the best record in football for the decade...and yet, how many SBs have they even played in? Manning has built his reputation in September, October and November, the Pats live in December January and February...I'll take my chances.
     
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    I know it kills you guys, but the refs didn't take this one from the Pats.  Sure, there were some close calls that went against the team, but that's almost always the case.  How often are there games without close calls?  The fact is: the Colts drove the ball 70 yards on their next-to-last drive for a TD, and then 29 yards for a TD while using up 1:45 of the final two minutes.  The Pats were unable to get a TD or use much of a clock on the drive the Colts gave them the ball @ about the Colt 35, and then couldn't get a single first down in four tries on the imfamous drive.  If the Pats would have done ANYTHING AT ALL on any of these four drives, they would have won the game.  But, I'm sure you'd all rather believe the refs stole the game because of a grand NFL conspiracy that involves every referee in the league.  lol.
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    Ah, Julie, you will tell yourself anything to deny the fact that the refs handed this game to the Colts with a big blue bow.

    You got nothing.

     
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    You suggest Lasik.  I suggest you remove the rose colored glasses.  You could see the dbs all over receivers beyond 5 yards.  Belichick got the game he wanted.
    Posted by underdoggg


    What the h e ll are you talking about? Rose colored glasses?

    How about colt colored glasses? 

    You are without doubt the biggest homer on this board! You have absolutely zero objectivitity on any subject relating to the colts. 
     
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    Re: Holding the NFL Officials accountable

    In Response to Re: Holding the NFL Officials accountable:
    Since all of my other posts on this topic were erased, I'll bite. 1.  How can you say he clearly had possession.  Did you see an angle that was directly across from the play like the line judge had?  If he was not qualified to make that call, who was?  No one else could clearly see the point of possession and the location of the player at the time of possession better than that side judge.  2.  You are wondering why officials did not discuss it?  They did.  3.  Why didn't Belichick challenge the call?  This is exactly the reason why they have replay - to challenge exactly such a play. 4.  How about the pats put the game out of reach by scoring a TD after intercepting Manning with 7.5 minutes to go instead of settling for a FG?  5.  How about Brady throws the ball to a different receiver who's deep enough not to allow the call to be questioned?  I said it before (but no one saw it) and I'll say it again.  Belichick got exactly the game he wanted from those refs.  The pats DB's were all over Colts receivers (again!!!!) beyond 5 yards and not a single call on them in the game for it.  Not one.  This game is not even close to being the fault of the refs.  The colts practically gave the game away to the pats.
    Posted by underdoggg


    The answer to #1 is YES!.  The view from the end zone clearly showed Faulk had established possession before he landed his first foot. The view from the sideline showed he was beyond teh 30-yard line when he landed his first foot.
     
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