Re: Homers and Haters
posted at 8/26/2013 4:04 AM EDT
In response to TexasPat's comment:
In response to DanishPastry's comment:
Look, I'm not saying you are wrong, TP, but any fair analysis should be comparative to other teams during that period. It is just too easy to evaluate some of the picks against what could have been. Would Clay Mathews have succes here? Would Oher? Who knows, though I would take Vollmer over Oher 7 days a week - and twice on sundays.
RESPONSE: You're missing the point. I'm not criticizing BB for those trades he made, in 2009. I'm criticizing the selections he made with those picks...Butler at #41, and at at #83. As I stated above, it must be pointed out that one of those 3rd rounders he got from Green Bay in the Matthews deal was spun to select TE Rob Gronkowski, in 2010.
Sure, there have been misses during the period, but what teams don't miss from time to time.
RESPONSE: I could care less about what other teams do. I care about the Pats...and that's just too many misses...and too many lost opportunities. I'm not the only one saying this. Mike Reiss has suggested that BB hire a draft consultant, because of his many misses.
Futhermore, I think it is somewhat biased to take a sample of years of BB drafting as evidence that he is a poor drafter. I think the 2010-2012 drafts have been great, though of course we could question the Hernandez pick.
RESPONSE: Actually, I don't question the AH pick. It was one of BB's better choices. Who knew that he would end up being a murderer? BB never fixed his defense through the drafts, from 2006-present. The keys to this season are how much Jones and Hightower improve. Both must become impact players for the Pats to have a legitimate shot at a title in 2013.
But in the end, I don't really care if he drafts well or not. Through more than 10 years the Patriots have been contenders on a fairly consistent basis. That doesn't happen if you only have a great coach and QB. You need other players as well. Come from the draft, UDFAs or free agents doesn't matter in itself.
RESPONSE: The old Homer refrain.
They are going to be contenders again this year. When the post-season arrives it is all about injuries. If Gronk is healthy in SB46 we win, and if Talib stays on the field in the latest AFCCG we are a h*ll of a lot closer than we ended being.
RESPONSE: Here, I tend to agree.
My point is, the glass is (more than) half full, not half empty.
RESPONSE: Who is being negative? I'm merely stating facts. Why is it that BB can never be criticized? I have acknowled that I consider him to be the greatest coach of all-time, and have praised him for his trades. My sole criticism is who he is selecting with his draft picks. I merely maintain that his failings in this area are a major reason why the Patriots have had a terrible pass defense over the past several years...and that it has cost them championships.
Well, you are being a little negative. The players from those drafts did help take the team to two Super Bowls, and both times they were - as we are all painfully aware - so close. Your point seems to be that only BB the coach and TB should get credit for that. And I just don't agree. It's a team game, and you simply don't go to the SB if all you have is a coach and a QB. You don't.
Yeah, sure there were misses among the picks, that why free agency is also important. IMO, it's not about drafting well, it's about building a team that can content. Drafting is an important part of that, but they don't hand out medals for drafting.
It takes a good team to make the playoffs, and it takes a great one to reach the SB. When you are there, it is all a matter of getting healthy, hot, and lucky at the right moment.
My point about comparing with other teams is of course to get a benchmark. If BB is good or bad at drafting is relative to the other teams. What is par for the course over these same drafts? I don't know.
Another way of judging the drafting of teams is to simply count the number of drafted players on a teams roster (drafted by the team itself). After roster cuts I'll see if I can find the time to do it for the Pats and some of the better teams.