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    It all comes down to how you want to follow the team. If you choose to actually enjoy the team, the games, the off season, and stay somewhat positive throughout...we are homers.

    If you choose to view every game, every move, and every off season as a complete negative, I assume that these folks are just more comfortable being unhappy most the time.

    Human nature really...some of us choose to be positive...others...not so much!!

    Bottom line is that I'd rather be a homer than a chronic whiner.

     

     

     

    Hear, hear Tanbass!

     

     

     

    You know, when I met my wife 25 years ago, I thought she was the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. Smooth skin, exotic face, and a tight physique with exquisite curves. This is the woman I married in 1989

     

    Today, there are some wrinkles around the eyes and a few more pounds around the thighs. The hair has begun to turn gray and the skin maybe isn't as soft as it once was. But she's my best friend and my biggest supporter in the world, and she's given me two bright, fantastic kids.

    So, to me, she is STILL the most beautiful woman in the world--though folks around here would call me a homer for saying so. "Can't you see the wrinkles?" they would say. "How can you miss those extra pounds?" To top it off, they would accuse me of the greatest sin: "You are not being OBJECTIVE!!!" they would scream.

    Perhaps not, I must admit.

    But it's not that I can't see the wrinkles, and it's not that I can't see the weight. It just seems petty to focus on flaws when there is so much beauty behind the flaws. She has been a consistently excellent wife and mother, and that is where I choose to place my attention. And that proper perspective gives me joy...for she is my home team, and always will be.

     



        Hey NY...if that's a photo of your wife above, you are indeed a lucky man!  What in God's name are you doing on this forum?? LOL!!!

     

     
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    At this juncture we have the best coach and best QB in the game. After that everything starts to fall off dramatically. Having that we have still been in the mix for a while. And being in the mix has provided a couple of close calls on getting the big prize.

     

    Before that we had a team patched together with a good number of excellent inherited players and several key additions that were a compliment to the HOF coach and HOF QB rather than something they need to compensate for as is the case now. Having that we were a dynasty.

    This isn't rocket science. It's obvious from any fair analysis. Now one can kid themselves that some other order of things is going on - but it just isn't.



    We were a dynasty then but we are not a dynasty now. That's my point. That was a once in a lifetime team for a good stretch that many team's fans have never experienced. It was great to watch.

     

    Now we have a good team but not great. But every team is some shade of average. Baltimore was not a great team last year. The Giants were not a great team the year before that. The Packers before that. Or the Saints. Or the Steelers.

    To want more is folly. Just my humble opinion.




    It was a once in a lifetime lucky pick to get Brady after inheriting a core of outstanding players, and the guy who is in charge of buying the groceries since then has brought home too many rotten eggs. Simple as that.

    But reminisce about those splendid days of yore. Because it is very doubtful you will see another SB win in your lifetime.

     

     
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    "It was a once in a lifetime lucky pick to get Brady after inheriting a core of outstanding players, and the guy who is in charge of buying the groceries since then has brought home too many rotten eggs. Simple as that."

    That's largely true though I would add that prizing genius schemes over athletic talent has been another serious Belichick flaw. That has manifested in particular at cornerback, on the defensive line (painfully obvious when facing defensive lines like the Giants in the Super Bowl that can apply pressure without rushing), and also with the offense. It's a serious warning sign when you can't draft great athletic receivers because they can't learn your system and so many proven receivers can't learn your system. BB fanboys love that the system is so complex that only brainiacs can learn the system but the problem then is that you are generally going to get undersized mini-me players (which we've had at both cornerback and receiver). Are smaller players smarter? No - but given their lack of size they have had to learn to outsmart the competition and memorize schemes to stay in the game. And BB is too often reduced to drafting the mini-mes who can grasp his system. Rather than simplify schemes so the best athletes can play here. 

    If Brady had been surrounded by the best athletes we'd definitely have a couple more rings, especially given the weak AFC East as our launching pad. 

     

    "But reminisce about those splendid days of yore. Because it is very doubtful you will see another SB win in your lifetime."

    You're taking it a bit too far there. BB is still a great coach, we still have some good personnel (his drafts have been better in recent years), and we still have a weak division. Things could roll right for us. And unlike some I am definitely happy for the success we have had, and it's been a great run for whcih BB and Brady both deserve tons of credit....  

     
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    Hear, hear Tanbass!

     

    You know, when I met my wife 25 years ago, I thought she was the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. Smooth skin, exotic face, and a tight physique with exquisite curves. This is the woman I married in 1989

     



    You married Polliana?

     
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    ob·jec·tive /əbˈjektiv/   Adjective (of a person or their judgment) Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

    That's the defintion of objective.  So let's not kid ourselves, shall we?  There isn't anyone posting in this forum that I've seen (myself included) who satisfies that definition.  So anyone in here staking a claim to the high ground of objectivity may wish to reevaluate.

    And since, by definition and my own admission, I'm not objective I'll offer my opinion on the claim often noted in here that the practice of rendering criticism is a credential certifying one's objectivity:  who are you trying to sh1t?  Being critical of a team is part of being a fan but has absolutely zippo to do with objectivity.  (edited out a final sentence that I shouldn't have posted to begin with.)



         I'll concede that no one who is a true Patriots fan can be 100% objective. But, won't you concede that some posters here are far more objective than others? 



    TP, a fair point.  The question then becomes who is to determine who is more objective than whom.  You and I have disagreed on a particular aspect of the team's personnel decisions two years running.  I truly don't wish to revisit the particular issue, but who is to say that I am more objective than you or you are more objective than me?  I think the more relevant discussion is whose argument appears more rational to the to the disinterested party.  I consider you to be every bit as passionate a Pats fan as I am, perhaps moreso.  We just happen to differ on how we view the team and the approach that BB takes.   

    My point?  Neither of us is in a position to determine whether you or I are the more rational or objective Pats fan.



    Fair enough, my friend. 



    Egad, common ground.

     
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    "But reminisce about those splendid days of yore. Because it is very doubtful you will see another SB win in your lifetime."

    You're taking it a bit too far there. BB is still a great coach, we still have some good personnel (his drafts have been better in recent years), and we still have a weak division. Things could roll right for us. And unlike some I am definitely happy for the success we have had, and it's been a great run for whcih BB and Brady both deserve tons of credit....  



    RESPONSE: No one is disputing that the Pats have had a great run over the past decade. Babe's point is that this "great run" could have, and should have been even greater, but for the poor BB drafts...and...he's right.

    Some Pats fans have a sense of regret at what could have been. The Pats missed a golden opportunity to completely eclipse the Steelers, 49ers, Packers, and Cowboys as the greatest football dynasty of all-time. Had they at least won those two lost SBs, and/or won in 2006, and in 2012, who could argue against the Pats being hailed as the greatest football dynasty ever? 

     

     
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    I think you can do this thing anyway you like...some go around writing that every draft pick was a pure stroke of genius...every free agent signed and releaased was the absolute best move possible...ever penny spent/not spent was fiscally brilliant. Personally I don't do that, but for the people that do it's their right and I can't really argue with it, but when they have a problem with my view because it differs from theirs?? Then I have a problem with it.

     
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    Posers and Trolls have and will resort to symantice to unpaint them selves out of the corner. But their infatuation with anything negitive, even if it is total speculation, or what ifs keep them on the wrong side of being a fan. In stead they become more like stalkers, who's only goal is to cause confrontation. Then the over exageration of a Homer, as a brainless,uninformed spectator that never gets disapointed with the actions of the team, simply because they chose to support the teams decisions even if we may not understand them at the time.

     

    I have reliably been disgusted by the constant challenging of team decisions, and Posers and Trolls harasing fans only to find out later the true and accepable reason for the moves.

    Of course the Posers and Trolls are more knowledgeable than the pros. No one here is qualified to question the Pro moves by Pro personel. And most fan and homers,and kool aid drinkers will be the first to admit that point......BUT the Trolls  and Posers will go down in flames before even considering that point.

    If you Homers want to know why literaly hundreds of us part time posters no longer waist our time here its because of the TOLLERENCE for out right TROLLS and POSERS.

    How bout freedom of speach.....Bu11$hit....This is a Pats site...You do not show up at church,temple,or mosk to challenge the beliefs of the worshipers...

    You do not chalenge the authority of the IRS at an audit

    And you do not go to a Patriots based site to chalenge the HOMERS....

    If you feel like starting a conflict, go to another teams site and see how long you last...Your abuse of your ability to disrupt this site has shown to be detrimental over the last few years.

    The Posers and Trolls have won here....Because the Homers, and Kool Aid drinkers have either left, or given into there tacktics and sunk to accepting them...This is no longer a Pats site, it a Pats bashing site, and embareasing to see those that say they are Pats fans prefering to interact with known Trolls.....

     

     



    Really don't agree with this. Could you imagine how boring the board would be if no one questioned the Pats moves, player decisions, tactics? Here's a taste of what it would sound like:

     

     

    How about that Ras pick - It's awesome, next Law - I agree he's awesome

    BB or a Huricane - Belichick - what if the Huricane was named BB?

    So how about that lose - Well the Pats were perfect, must have been NFL bias and refs - I agree, they are awesome right?

    So what did you think about the FA's - well I'm not a professional scout so I'm just going to say it was awesome - I'm not one either but it this was an awesome offseason 19-0 this year. So now what do we do until preseason starts - I don't know but remember when Brady threw the TD, that was awesome

    Yeah, to me that doesn't sound like much fun

     



    That's my point, the forum would look something like this:

     



    wait, we can have a spread like that..... I might have to change my mind. Where's my ruby glasses

     
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    I think you can do this thing anyway you like...some go around writing that every draft pick was a pure stroke of genius...every free agent signed and releaased was the absolute best move possible...ever penny spent/not spent was fiscally brilliant. Personally I don't do that, but for the people that do it's their right and I can't really argue with it, but when they have a problem with my view because it differs from theirs?? Then I have a problem with it.



    +1

     
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    "It was a once in a lifetime lucky pick to get Brady after inheriting a core of outstanding players, and the guy who is in charge of buying the groceries since then has brought home too many rotten eggs. Simple as that."

    That's largely true though I would add that prizing genius schemes over athletic talent has been another serious Belichick flaw. That has manifested in particular at cornerback, on the defensive line (painfully obvious when facing defensive lines like the Giants in the Super Bowl that can apply pressure without rushing), and also with the offense. It's a serious warning sign when you can't draft great athletic receivers because they can't learn your system and so many proven receivers can't learn your system. BB fanboys love that the system is so complex that only brainiacs can learn the system but the problem then is that you are generally going to get undersized mini-me players (which we've had at both cornerback and receiver). Are smaller players smarter? No - but given their lack of size they have had to learn to outsmart the competition and memorize schemes to stay in the game. And BB is too often reduced to drafting the mini-mes who can grasp his system. Rather than simplify schemes so the best athletes can play here. 

    If Brady had been surrounded by the best athletes we'd definitely have a couple more rings, especially given the weak AFC East as our launching pad. 

     

    "But reminisce about those splendid days of yore. Because it is very doubtful you will see another SB win in your lifetime."

    You're taking it a bit too far there. BB is still a great coach, we still have some good personnel (his drafts have been better in recent years), and we still have a weak division. Things could roll right for us. And unlike some I am definitely happy for the success we have had, and it's been a great run for whcih BB and Brady both deserve tons of credit....  




    Your points are well taken. I'm not saying we won't win a SB in the next few years. But the chances are not great with Brady getting older every day and surrounded by a blah supporting cast.

    BB was a great HC in Cleveland, but didn't have the excellent core players especially on D he inherited with the Pats, and had nothing remotely like a Brady. And we know his success there was rather dismal despite his great coaching.

    If Brady retires or drops off in skill significantly after say 3 years, I believe no amount of great coaching is going to keep us in the thick of the fight unless BB no longer calls the shots regarding bringing in talent.

    He just isn't nearly the team builder that he is a coach.

     

    And I'm not so much on board that these recent drafts have been all that great either.

     
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    The cowboys and 9 ers were good and only one of them could go to a Super Bowl at a time, back when.  When the pats won in 2001 I didn't think that would ever happen again in my lifetime. Think if we had the undefeated season. the expectations here would be unrealistic.  

     

    The bills were a good team, they should have beat the giants if it wasn't for Scott Norwood   For that matter if not for the catch the bengals could have been a different team as well. 

     



    I agree but it's one of those things that ever fan wants perfection. I know you can't always have perfection and I highly enjoy the string of success we've had I just don't see anything wrong with striving for that perfection. I was always taught you should constently be trying to improve yourself and to get better. That's how you keep moving forward. If you see a flaw you should try to adjust and fix that flaw. Even if you get 100% then you should try to figure out a way to maintain that 100%. As my dad use to say "good enough for government work isn't good enough for us" otherwise you become the Cowboys who have done what since their championship years? Or the Raiders who feel apart after their runs, or the Sox after 07' who seemed perfectly happy living off that victory for years and became fat and happy. That's the beauty of sports, next year is a new year and as BB says past victories don't count. They are always striving for better each year. Do you think Brady is happy the way last year ended? Do you think Brady or Belichick sit back after each year and say well at least we won 3. No, of course not. They want #4 and #5 and #6 as does every player across the league. I just kind of find it funny that some people say don't question BB and Brady and moves by the Pats and yet BB and Brady question themselves at times and are consitently trying to improve and adjust flaws. It's a great contradiction

     

     

     




    NO logical fan can expect PERFECTION.....

     

     

    THAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE...

    All that can be expected is a good enogh effort from the team to defeat the current opposition...

    The homers can be satisfied with a successfull game, season, or playoff run...and be proud of their team...and still analize weakness, and possible moves of improvement.

    Posers and Trolls will spend every moment picking and crying about any and all imperfections they can find...They only judge success in super bowl wins...And have very short memories...They credit wins only to defeciencies in the opponents...And all loses are squarely on the sholders of the Pats inadiquicies...A total NO WIN SENARIO...What a miserable out look....And that is the  tactic Posers and Trolls use...They Hold the Pats resources up against the best of the entire NFL...Totaly ludicris....And the last thing they want to here is the fact that the Pats have been the winningest team in the NFL over the last 12 years....

     



    To not strive, expect and assume each year of winning the SB is being a loser. The owner, the coach and the players do not care about the best record the past 12 years. This is a league every year of one winner and 31 losers. 

     

     




    BY your logic the entire world includeing you are losers and should never be satisfied and remain misrable for life.

     

    What a lousy world you have created for yourself...

    You actualy think TB and BB could care less about what they have accomplished with this team in the last 12 years........

    Each member of the team can only be the best indivedual they can be and if that is not good enough and the team couldnot reasobably improve opon the talent, what is there to b!tch about.

    You get the best players available within team needs, within financial caps,personality matches,among multiple numorus variables, as deemed by the professional coaching staffs. That is all you can do, and if you disagree with one point here or there WHY DO WE HAVE TO HERE THE SAME B1TCHING OVER AND OVER, WHEN THERE IS NO BETTER AVAILABLE ALTERNATIVES...

    When the team hits the field for the first game of the season with the best 53 that they can field, if you are a fan you will support them, the rest will continue to cry over spilt milk.



    We are not discussing the entire world. We are discussing the NFL. If you don't win the SB you are a loser. If you are satisfied not winning the SB you should not be playing or coaching in the NFL, nor owning a team. Andy Reid, Terry Francona, George Karl, Del Negro, (Claude Julian if he did not beat the Leafs). It is the nature of the business of sports.

    no ones beatching. We are discussing how and why the Pats can be a better team in the off season, and in season we discuss what transpired in the game and what adjustments could be made to improve for the ultimate goal, winning the SB. 

     
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    At this juncture we have the best coach and best QB in the game. After that everything starts to fall off dramatically. Having that we have still been in the mix for a while. And being in the mix has provided a couple of close calls on getting the big prize.

     

     

    Before that we had a team patched together with a good number of excellent inherited players and several key additions that were a compliment to the HOF coach and HOF QB rather than something they need to compensate for as is the case now. Having that we were a dynasty.

    This isn't rocket science. It's obvious from any fair analysis. Now one can kid themselves that some other order of things is going on - but it just isn't.

     



    We were a dynasty then but we are not a dynasty now. That's my point. That was a once in a lifetime team for a good stretch that many team's fans have never experienced. It was great to watch.

     

     

    Now we have a good team but not great. But every team is some shade of average. Baltimore was not a great team last year. The Giants were not a great team the year before that. The Packers before that. Or the Saints. Or the Steelers.

    To want more is folly. Just my humble opinion.

     




    It was a once in a lifetime lucky pick to get Brady after inheriting a core of outstanding players, and the guy who is in charge of buying the groceries since then has brought home too many rotten eggs. Simple as that.

     

    But reminisce about those splendid days of yore. Because it is very doubtful you will see another SB win in your lifetime.

     



    Remember as well,  brady got put in due to injury. The impressive part is sticking with him with all the controversy , after swapping him out in the steeler game then going back to him for the sb. That story line was more popular then in sanz asking Brady to marry him.  If you don't remember her she has the worlds finest butt and the jests sexually harassed her too. Lol. If I could post a pic I'd prove the butt part. 

     
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    Hear, hear Tanbass!

     

    You know, when I met my wife 25 years ago, I thought she was the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. Smooth skin, exotic face, and a tight physique with exquisite curves. This is the woman I married in 1989

     

     



    You married Polliana?

     




    Hahaha, TFB. Been a while since I heard that one! She does favor her, but doesn't have Polliana's boooobs!

     
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    Remember as well,  brady got put in due to injury. The impressive part is sticking with him with all the controversy , after swapping him out in the steeler game then going back to him for the sb. That story line was more popular then in sanz asking Brady to marry him.  If you don't remember her she has the worlds finest butt and the jests sexually harassed her too. Lol. If I could post a pic I'd prove the butt part. 

     



    Actually Brady was already outplaying Drew on the practice field. Future HOFers are apt to do that. So after going 5-11 with Drew it was a no-brainer for BB to stick with the superior Brady.

    But then we are now talking about the coach and not the GM. I have never questioned BB's greatness as a coach. Or her buttocks.

     

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