Hope we see lots of shotgun spread

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    Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread

    Thanks to the shotgun spread, Brady scored the most touchdowns in one half of playoff football history.  Great game plan by O'Brien.
     
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    Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread

    no.

    this is a game for Gronk, Solder, and Hernandez, and Welker

    the spread works if the four defensive linemen can't beat the five offensive linemen

    the spread negates the blitz.  the giants don't need to blitz to get pressure

    running the ball and chip blocks are great ways to negate what makes the giants so successful
     
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    Because no one in the league can stop it, especially not the pathetic Giants.  Pats are going to march up and down the field with Brady zipping passes to Branch, Welker, Gronk and Hernandez.  Sprinkle in a few draws to Woodhead and Law Firm, it's an offense that can't be stopped.  Go O'Brien!
    Posted by mighty2012


    What do you mean Law Firm and Woodhead? Run? You're kidding.

     Ok maybe a couple of plays BJGE can stand in the backfield and Brady can wink at him...so the Giants think there might be a running play.

    If you think a real running play or even two is nessesary you are out of your mind.
     
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    I am of the mind that a good running effort will help the Pats bring home #4!!!
     
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    Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread

    The one thing wrong with the shotgun spread: The offensive line.

    They are taking up places on the field that could be used by more receivers.

    What we need is a long snapper, Brady stands 15 yards back and we have 7-8 eligible recievers. (is that allowed?) how about 9.

    Brady has 1.3 seconds to unload the ball (someone will be open). If no one is open he can pull a 'longest yard' right into the nads of the frontrunning defender.




     
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    The one thing wrong with the shotgun spread: The offensive line. They are taking up places on the field that could be used by more receivers. What we need is a long snapper, Brady stands 15 yards back and we have 7-8 eligible recievers. (is that allowed?) how about 9. Brady has 1.3 seconds to unload the ball (someone will be open). If no one is open he can pull a 'longest yard' right into the nads of the frontrunning defender.
    Posted by patsbandwagonsince76


    Bingo.
     
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    Thanks to the shotgun spread, the Pats scored the most points of any team in the conference championships this year.  Thank you Bill O'Brien!
     
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    In Response to Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread:
    In Response to Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread : The spread didn't negate the blitz whatsoever in SB 42.  In fact, it allowed NY to set up its D and dictate to our O Line. Philosophically, that is what it should do, but it's clearly not some guarantee, especially against this front 7. The key is getting them to have to respect our run game, which obviously we never use. Two players can positively effect this game on Sunday: 1. BJGE 2. Ochocinco
    Posted by RustyGriswold


    Well Rusty, truth be told the Giants got a rush with 4 man all game so it wasn't so much a blitz as it was sending an extra rusher every so often. When there is no blitz it's hard to negate it
     
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    Thanks to the shotgun spread, the Pats scored the most points of any team in the conference championships this year.  Thank you Bill O'Brien!
    Posted by mighty2012


    And the 4 teams they faced that can generate pressure with a 4 man rush (Pitt, NYG, Dal, Bal) limited them to season lows in ppg (Pitt - 17 lowest in season, NYG/Dal - 20 2nd lowest in season, Bal - 23 4th lowest in season). So doing the same thing that got you the lowest ppg of the season against teams that can create pressure with a 4 man rush is not a smart idea
     
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    Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread

    I like this shotgun play we used against the Ravens:

    1-7-Balt 7 - (10:40) (Shotgun) 42-B.Green-Ellis right guard for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
     
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    Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread

    Certainly, bringing in extra blockers and just firing away on two man patterns didn't work last time. But if the Giants bring in their 4DE package, the spread isn't really going to help that. It works best against blitzing defenses.

    Above all, given the dramatic shift between the Giants' 3rd down  defensive package and their 1st-2nd down package, I would expect the Pats to try and lock them in with criss-crossed personnel. 

    You'll see the spread if they can get the Gints locked into a mismatch with their "heavies" on the field, where they might be forced to blitz or generate little pressure. 

    If they get them locked into "Nascar" and they can get BJGE on the field at the same time (this would be tricky because if BJGE comes on the Giants can just trot their heavies on) then they'll run from the no-huddle at their 4 man front of guys who all weigh like 280. 

    Ultimately, as always ... the offensive line has to win their battles and execute no matter the situation. They can't be bullied by whoever is on the field. If they don't play well, it won't matter what plays are called. 
     
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    The one thing wrong with the shotgun spread: The offensive line. They are taking up places on the field that could be used by more receivers. What we need is a long snapper, Brady stands 15 yards back and we have 7-8 eligible recievers. (is that allowed?) how about 9. Brady has 1.3 seconds to unload the ball (someone will be open). If no one is open he can pull a 'longest yard' right into the nads of the frontrunning defender.
    Posted by patsbandwagonsince76


    No, the rules require a minimum of 5 ineligibles on the line.  In most formations, only 5 players are eligible to catch the ball (6 in shotgun because the QB becomes an eligible receiver once he's a yard back of the LOS). 
     
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    Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread

    The shotgun can help against the blitz, simply because the QB is already back from the LOS and doesn't have to drop.  Still, it requires receivers who get open fast so the QB has someplace to throw the ball.  The spread isn't necessarily going to help block rushers, but it might help get a lot of receivers out into their patterns quickly.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of semi-spread formations with one or two backs standing beside Brady when Brady is in the shotgun.  Those backs can take a handoff, stay in and block, or go out for short passes. Look for Hernandez to be positioned in the backfield, too, at times and maybe flex out depending on the defense.
     
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    Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread

    I don't claim to be an OC,DC or HC of any Football league nor have i played any roles in movies or TV which I would have been any of the aforementioned,with that said I would run the ball down their throats! They can't hit Brady if he's handing the ball off to BJGE and Woody,also Gronk won't be a factor he's injured. I do see the Randy Moss offense being reinstated with Ocho playing Randy's old spot. If Gronk is going to be a factor they have to decide which half they want his presence felt and I'm just guessing he will be the decoy for the first half and the second half the Patriots will revert to the present offense. Does anyone know the status of Arrington? I see his role as being the most important one on defense because though I love Edelman as a versatile player his play in the secondary is becoming legendary for the opposition receiver that he has to cover.No huddle all day long!!!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread:
    In Response to Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread : The spread didn't negate the blitz whatsoever in SB 42.  In fact, it allowed NY to set up its D and dictate to our O Line. Philosophically, that is what it should do, but it's clearly not some guarantee, especially against this front 7. The key is getting them to have to respect our run game, which obviously we never use. Two players can positively effect this game on Sunday: 1. BJGE 2. Ochocinco
    Posted by RustyGriswold


    bingo!


    the thing that really got the Pats was the delayed blitz.  Linebackers doing an excellent job of showing coverage and blitzing a second late while the line was too flat-footed.
     
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    Re: Hope we see lots of shotgun spread

    Just look at what the shotgun spread can do to the Giants:

    1. 9-L.Tynes kicks 68 yards from NYG 20 to NE 12. 32-D.McCourty MUFFS catch, and recovers at NE 12. 32-D.McCourty to NE 36 for 24 yards (57-J.Williams; 53-G.Jones).
    2. 1-10-NE 36(2:58) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 84-D.Branch to NYG 49 for 15 yards (31-A.Ross). NE 12-Brady 39th career 300-yard game, extends his Patriots record.
    3. 1-10-NYG 49(2:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 39-D.Woodhead right guard to NYG 40 for 9 yards (34-D.Grant).
    4. 2-1-NYG 40(2:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 39-D.Woodhead up the middle to NYG 34 for 6 yards (34-D.Grant).
    5. 1-10-NYG 34(2:04) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short right to 39-D.Woodhead.
    6. 2-10-NYG 34(2:01) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 87-R.Gronkowski to NYG 15 for 19 yards (34-D.Grant; 23-C.Webster).
    7. Two-Minute Warning
    8. 1-10-NYG 15(1:54) 39-D.Woodhead left end pushed ob at NYG 14 for 1 yard (21-K.Phillips; 72-O.Umenyiora). NE-39-D.Woodhead was injured during the play.
    9. Timeout #1 by NE at 01:48. injury timeout
    10. 2-9-NYG 14(1:48) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 87-R.Gronkowski.
    11. 3-9-NYG 14(1:44) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short left to 87-R.Gronkowski.
    12. Timeout #1 by NYG at 01:40.
    13. 4-9-NYG 14(1:40) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 87-R.Gronkowski for 14 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 87-R. Gronkowski 3rd career 100-yard game.
     
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