How bad is steroids...

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    If administed correctly steroids and HGH can help promote healing the issue becomes when do you cross the line between abuse and treatment? We all know if you take to much of anything for any extent of time it's going to cause long term health effects. So do you limit it to major injures or to the 2-4 week injures or the week to week injures and pain. We know if these PEDs help performance or help to reduce week to week pains, so the players will just keep taking them regardless and causing long term health issues. Having the NFL ok it for certain use won't curb it one bit. The players are already over that line between treatment and abuse, they won't cross back over just because it's suddenly legal under team doctors watch. 

     
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    Any idea how much malpractice insurance is? Don't you think that the Dr's that sent concussed players back on the field are going to get their butts sued off once theres the remotest tie to their injurys. I'd almost bet the Seau's are all lawyered up and ready to go. You wont find a DR that will risk their license to send a player back on the field if theres a risk of death or injury.

     
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    I'm with rkarp on this. We're not talking about old school stacking of winstrol and dianabol and guys injecting themselves in the parking lot anymore like in Alzado's day. HGH, testosterone and the like are perfectly safe, taken by millions of men (who don't play pro sports) and have significant health benefits. Why shouldn't athletes take them under the supervision of a doctor?

    What if some player has an injury, why don't we want him to take the best stuff that is healthy and legal and will help him get back as quickly as he can? All under the care of a team doctor.  Why don't we want older guys to have longer careers? 

    Oh yeah, we're worried that Hank Aaron's records or Babe Ruth's records won't mean as much. Who cares? Progress happens, get over it. Competition is better than it was in the 1920s. Babe Ruth never faced left handed relief specialists who threw 98 mph, or split-fingered fastballs or black or hispanic athletes. His records should have an asterisk.

     



    the hypocracy of law/govt is astounding. most of the drugs big pharma shops are very detrimental to health, shortening lives and even life-threatening imediatley, yet these kind of drugs, so called peds, when used intelligently, will not shorten lives and in fact improve it. that being said, if they were explicitly permitted, youd have what you see elsewhere, athletes taking amounts that are so great that it will shorten the life or lower the qualtiy of life of athletes after they retire.

    pot and tobacco, another 2 opposites. one supported by tax dollars and kills millions yearly, the other never killed one. which is ilegal? 

     
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    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    If administed correctly steroids and HGH can help promote healing the issue becomes when do you cross the line between abuse and treatment? We all know if you take to much of anything for any extent of time it's going to cause long term health effects. So do you limit it to major injures or to the 2-4 week injures or the week to week injures and pain. We know if these PEDs help performance or help to reduce week to week pains, so the players will just keep taking them regardless and causing long term health issues. Having the NFL ok it for certain use won't curb it one bit. The players are already over that line between treatment and abuse, they won't cross back over just because it's suddenly legal under team doctors watch. 



    exaclty the thought that comes to mind.

    though peds dont reduce pain, the poison drugs adminstered ny drs do.

     
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    if the penalty of 1 year suspended with out pay, rather than 4 games, is instituted, the use of supplaments outside the organization will fall 90-95%.

    pretty simple, take anything not administered by the team doctor and 1 year with out pay. 

     
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    it takes leadership for change. If Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, AP, Watt etc spoke out against unsupervised use of PED's, the players union would follow thier lead.

    The only player speaking up on the issue surprisingly so is Ed Reed.

    Its amazing how the face of each sport fails to take the lead on any of these issues. How can any player be against player health, rehabilitation, and a longer career? This speaks to Jeter, Ortiz, Lebron, Kobe etc. They all have the clout, money and attention to speak up and clean sports of this underground issue, bring it into a situaton of helping players...yet they are all mute on the topic

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:

    it takes leadership for change. If Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, AP, Watt etc spoke out against unsupervised use of PED's, the players union would follow thier lead.

    The only player speaking up on the issue surprisingly so is Ed Reed.

    Its amazing how the face of each sport fails to take the lead on any of these issues. How can any player be against player health, rehabilitation, and a longer career? This speaks to Jeter, Ortiz, Lebron, Kobe etc. They all have the clout, money and attention to speak up and clean sports of this underground issue, bring it into a situaton of helping players...yet they are all mute on the topic



    Good point. The problem with any drug policy becomes the enforcement which can be pretty tough on the athletes involved. Cyclist have to report their whereabouts 365 days a year and are subject to random visits and tests anywhere in the world - and you still have someone like Lance beating the system after thousands of tests over 20 years. That kind of monitoring is pretty invasive and not something any of the pro sports is going to get past the players.

    I am not saying you don't enforce, just that their are going to be limits to what can be accomplished.

     
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