How can a Belichick defense be this bad?

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    How can a Belichick defense be this bad?

    What excuses will anyone have for this defense now I know the offense didn't play well today, but we had a 23-10 leald in 4th quarter until the defense collapsed.  The Offense got slowed down by the best defense in NFL, but still scored 23 points. I still think the offense has let down in the clutch moments in the last couple years, but the defense is the main problem.


    Can anyone for the love of god please explain to me how can Belichick have the worst defensive backfield in NFL? Every year we make up excuses for why this secondary sucks! Every close game out there that we play, the defensive chokes and gives up the win. 
    If the Pats arent winning by more than 7 , and we can see it from a mile away that the defense will give it up. This is without a doubt the worst and the most useless secondary in the NFL.  It has been the case for 4 years now.  Each year we try to convince ourselves why it will be better , yet we never ever see dominating defensive showings for full 60 minutes.This defense makes every  QB look like Dan Marino out there.  Give up 2 touchdowns in 5 minutes to Russell Wilson. That is embarassing and incompetent.

    Worst secondary in the NFL, without a doubt. Please no one mention Belichick as a defensive genius ever again after he's been fielding the most awful secondary in the NFL for past 4 years.  Letting Asante Samuel go was a huge mistake. Where do we go from here?  Every team knows the secondary sucks and will continue to launch deep throws, and either completle them or get a penalty.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: How can a Belichick defense be this bad?

    I'm in a bad mood and perhaps I'll feel differently tomorrow, but think about this for a second...Pistol Pete Carroll has built a better defense than Belichick in half the time. He beat us without a quarterback, receiver or tightend. He beat us with a defense.

    We have some serious busts running around out there on our defense. Guys that won't be here or talked about when their rookie deals are up...Chung, Brace, Cunnigham, Dowling, McCourty. For all the credit Mayo gets, he's a liability in coverage- he really is. All those short passes and passes in the flat? Mayo.

    All their quaterback needed to do was throw the thing straight up into the air and it was good for a completion. No pressure, no unique and confusing coverages...those days of Belichick confusing a young QB are gone. WE don't have the players. SOMEONE needs to take the blame for the contruction of this defense. Someone needs to tell Kraft that this "value" approach is not working. Another year of watching Brady throw 50 times a game and watching the D blow double digit leads with minutes left.

     

     
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    Wade Phillips goes to Dallas and in ONE offseason turns the 31st ranked defense into a top 3 defense.  Belichick starts rebuilding the defense in 2008, and the Patriots still have one of the worst defenses.  How is that possible? ' McCourty, Arrington, and Chung are all garbage that wouldnt start on other teams.   If they were released now, they wouldnt be on the field for any team.

     
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    Re: How can a Belichick defense be this bad?

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    Wade Phillips goes to Dallas and in ONE offseason turns the 31st ranked defense into a top 3 defense.  Belichick starts rebuilding the defense in 2008, and the Patriots still have one of the worst defenses.  How is that possible? ' McCourty, Arrington, and Chung are all garbage that wouldnt start on other teams.   If they were released now, they wouldnt be on the field for any team.

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    True, but they also revamped the secondary with Jonathon Joseph and drafted a monster in J.J. Watt

     
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    PhatRex - that was a joke right?

     

     
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    It's widely known that it takes well over 5 years to rebuild a defense.  Don't forget about all of those probowlers that BB has had to replace.  This cannot be done overnight.  The Patriots are fortunate to have someone like BB in charge.  He gets it in the salary cap era.  He knows the importants of depth and it shows with the ability of that secondary to step up again and again.  

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    Widely known? Where did you get that number?

    HOU did it in three years. Since 2009, theyve added Connor Barwin, Antonio Smith, J.J, Watt, Brian Cushing, Jonathon Joseph, Brooks Reed, Shaun Cody, Danieal Manning,  Kareem Jackson, etc.

    In fact, ALL of their starters have been picked up since 2009. Their defense was dominant in 2011. So it took them 2 years

     
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    Re: How can a Belichick defense be this bad?

    It's a pretty simple answer.

     

    2 Tavon Wilson 2012

    2 Ras-I Dowling 2011

    1 Devin McCourty 2010

    2 Patrick Chung 2009

    2 Darius Butler 2009

    2 Terrence Wheatley 2008

    1 Brandon Meriweather 2007

     

    And that's just the high picks for the secondary. Has anybody invested so much and gotten so little in the entire league?

     

     
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    It's widely known that it takes well over 5 years to rebuild a defense.  Don't forget about all of those probowlers that BB has had to replace.  This cannot be done overnight.  The Patriots are fortunate to have someone like BB in charge.  He gets it in the salary cap era.  He knows the importants of depth and it shows with the ability of that secondary to step up again and again.  

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    This defense is not closer to being good than it was 4 years ago. It is the same story every year.  We don't have 1 decent CB or Safety while other teams 3-4 of them. 

     

    What depth are you talking about?  McCourty and Arrington? Worst starting CBs in the league. This team also has no safeties.  When did the secondary ever step up?  They got destroyed by a rookie QB!

    This defense would get destroyed by any elite QB.  It has no chance to even stand up to a good offense.  Remember what happened against the Saints in 2009?  The same would happen right now!

     
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    Re: How can a Belichick defense be this bad?

    When has a Belichick defense been any good?  Crennel had some good defenses but ever since BB has been responsible for picking the players they have sucked - specifically the DBs.  He's not the genius everyone says he is - all you have to do is watch the games to see that.

     

     
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    Does Belichick's contract say he is the GM, or did the Pats just not replace Pioli?

     
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    When has a Belichick defense been any good?  Crennel had some good defenses but ever since BB has been responsible for picking the players they have sucked - specifically the DBs.  He's not the genius everyone says he is - all you have to do is watch the games to see that.

     

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    People forget also that BB inherited a core of 4-5 excellent defenders from Carrol/Parcells.

     
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    Wade Phillips goes to Dallas and in ONE offseason turns the 31st ranked defense into a top 3 defense.  Belichick starts rebuilding the defense in 2008, and the Patriots still have one of the worst defenses.  How is that possible? ' McCourty, Arrington, and Chung are all garbage that wouldnt start on other teams.   If they were released now, they wouldnt be on the field for any team.

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    I was surprised to see Darius Butler playing for Indy today.   I thought for sure he was out of football.

     
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    Re: How can a Belichick defense be this bad?

    When Belichick takes the podium and gives his standard statement..we need to coach better, we need to play better - it goes all around - offense, defense, special teams...he should add that we need to draft better as well. Also when he says we need to coach it better, he really has a point this time. I don't know any head coach or coordinator that calls some of time outs that were called today and allows time to be wasted two weeks in a row before a half when there was points to be had. Nor do you let 12 men to be on the field in the crucial final minutes of a game. Or let your safeties get toasted for a touchdown in the last possesion.

    Someone needs to be held accountable for the better interests of the team here.

     
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    Re: How can a Belichick defense be this bad?

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    When has a Belichick defense been any good?  Crennel had some good defenses but ever since BB has been responsible for picking the players they have sucked - specifically the DBs.  He's not the genius everyone says he is - all you have to do is watch the games to see that.

     

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    People forget also that BB inherited a core of 4-5 excellent defenders from Carrol/Parcells.

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    Right - in other words all that BB has done to the defense is make it worse and cost us at least three more Super Bowl wins in the process.  If I were Tom Brady I'd be pi$$ed that BB has wasted the last 5 years of having possibley the greatest QB to ever play the game by having a defense that can't get out of its own way.

     

     
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    Re: How can a Belichick defense be this bad?

    defensive genius?  Bellicheck?  No.

    Bellicheck hasn't even beena  better than average defensive mind in 6 years.

    The patriots have no blitzes and no schemes to take pressure off that young secondary.  BB has NO IMAGINATION on defense.  I have been sayiong it for 5 years.

     
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    BB has squandered Brady's youth on experiments and bargain shopping. As a Pats fan from before the Steve Grogan days, I still think he is obviously the best thing to happen to this team, but Bob and Jonathan need to wake the fog up and hire some personnel decision makers who know how to draft.

    Jones and Hightower were the rarity as he moved up in the draft and we got 2 studs. If he goes back to the bargain basement BS next draft, the fans should chase him out of here with pitchforks.

    Starting to feel more like his cleveland

    days. He fell asleep while the league decided to throw the ball. His defense is LB heavy and it took him 3 years to move back to the 4-3.

    Yeesh!

    okay now bring on the homers to call me a troll even though I have been a fan longer than most of the bb A$$ki$$ers

     
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