How can you not love this draft?

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    If you haven't noticed there are people who don't like anything and are never happy.
     
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    Alright, so we didn't get a "stud" or make a HUGE splash.  However, I contend that this will go down as one of the best top to bottom drafts in Pats history.  They took guys who fit the "Patriot way."  Guys who are gritty, hard-nosed, SOB's.  They may not look pretty in shorts, but they look like Victoria Secret models during games.  Spikes was suspended last year for goughing the eye of a Georgia RB.  This kid was the most consistent player on their defense for the past 2 years.  He could have left last year but choose to stay in order to attempt to win another title.  Hernandez would have been a first rounder had he played in a more pass oriented offense.  He has a nasty streak, and although he can't block very well, he can create HUGE match-up problems for those Jets and Dolphins DB's.  He and Gronkowski can be out there together and Brady will finally have, not one, but two TE's who can run, catch, block, and kick a little tail.  I be they employ Hernandez in an H back mode.  He can line up in the back field and some poor LB will have to TRY to cover him, good luck!  From what I have heard about Price he can really run.  Will be nice to have someone who they can pair opposite Moss to stretch the field and take some heat of Moss.  That in turn will leave a gap in the middle of the field that both Gronkowski and Hernandez will be able to exploit (think Jason Witten and Dallas Clark on the field together).  They will also help the in the red zone as their size will allow them to get balls against smaller DB's.  They still need to address the pash rush with a veteran, but the OLB they got from FL could be a steal.  What say you?
    Posted by soxfan33928

    WEll its nice to see Patriot fans so giddy and happy but honestly dont you think you should wait until these players are in a Patriots uniform and have played 10 games or so before you say this could be the best draft ever? I dont wish to spoil your fun but the percentage of Drafted players that usually dont make it are about or near 70 percent. What was a stud in college usually turns out to be a dud in the Pro's. It's ok to dream but this is why they play the games. Many things look great on paper but thenthe real world comes into play and tears your paper to shreads. Have a great day
     
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    Im Happy how about some of you Pats fans. In fact I am so happy that I'm going to say the BEST Draft ever. Of course I do not have clue. But I am still Happy.
    Posted by bobbysu
    good plan because the alternative isn't very promising...LOL This was a great draft and it was entertaining because BB made everyone guess as to whether or not he would be drafting in his assigned drafting slots. He drafted guys that were all leaders on their teams,Captains or Co-Captains most of his draft choices were All conference players either first or second team,the TE Hernandez won the Mackey Trophy! But if you listen to those fans who are constantly unhappy he wasn't worth the pick or he isn't a stud...News flash none of these guys are studs to my knowledge as they don't work in the porno business!!!! they may just be the best draft clas that the Patriots have ever assembled but only time will answer that question.As for sure things,if you lined up Wilhite and McCourty and made them run a 40 yard dash race more than likely McCourty would win as his fastest timing in the forty is 4.38 and I'm guessing that it would be considerably faster than Wilhite's...
     
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    In Response to How can you not love this draft? : WEll its nice to see Patriot fans so giddy and happy but honestly dont you think you should wait until these players are in a Patriots uniform and have played 10 games or so before you say this could be the best draft ever? I dont wish to spoil your fun but the percentage of Drafted players that usually dont make it are about or near 70 percent. What was a stud in college usually turns out to be a dud in the Pro's. It's ok to dream but this is why they play the games. Many things look great on paper but thenthe real world comes into play and tears your paper to shreads. Have a great day
    Posted by Wendylee03


    But, 50% of 2nd round players are starters after 4 years.  So let's say 2 of the top 4 players taken start in the near future.  Let's say 3 of the remaining 8 players taken (since one is the top rated punter), that would give us 5 starters out of this draft which is better than we've done in a long time.

    How did we do compared to our AFC East foes?  Here's the comparison.  The Pats are the clear winners.

    BuffaloRatingMiamiRating
    #9 RB CJ Spiller8.7#28 DT J Odrick8.2
    #41 DT Torell Troup5.3#40 OLB Koa Misi7.2
    #72 DE A Carrington7.3#73 OT John Jerry6.5
    #107 WR M. Easley5.2#119 LB AJ Edds3.6
    #140 OT E Wang3.7#145 CB N Carroll2.7
    #178 DE A. Moats5.6#163 SS R Jones6.7
    #192 DE D. BattenN/A#212 OLB C McCoyN/A
    #209 QB L. Brown2.9#252 A SpitlerN/A
    #216 OT K. Calloway5.4 
    Average Top 65.97Average Top 65.82
    New EnglandRatingNew York JetsRating
    #27 CB D McCourty8.0#29 CB K Wilson8.4
    #42 TE R Gronkowski8.2#61 OT V Ducasse7.6
    #53 OLB J Cunningham7.2#112 RB J McKnight7.2
    #62 ILB B Spikes7.4#139 RB J Conner3.7
    #90 WR Taylor Price7.3  
    #113 TE A Hernandez7.4  
    #150 P Z Mesko3.1  
    #205 C T Larsen4.9  
    #208 OL T Welch3.4  
    #247 DE B. Deaderick4.6  
    #248 DT K WestinN/A  
    #250 QB Z Robinson4.4  
    Average Top 67.58Average Top 66.72
     
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    Here's why I don't like this draft...

    First round pick would have been fine with one of our second round picks. When special teams play is going to be his immediate impact on a team that desperately needs a better defense, that's a problem.

    Gronkowski will be great IF he stays on the field. The Jets are licking their chops to put a helmet in that surgically repaired back. Commonsense says that a nearly 6-7 inch target playing across the middle in the NFL with a back problem at the age of 21 or 22 probably won't last long.

    Cunningham played on a SEC-title, National championship defense and nobody had heard of him. Plus will be switching positions.

    Spikes probably couldn't beat Brady in a 40-yard dash, even with his surgically repaired knee.

    Hernandez, according to Scouts Inc and others needs to get tougher.

    The receiver we got from Ohio and the punter will probably be really good.


     
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    I hope this means that Wes Welker (when he gets back) will not be returning kicks or punts.  We now have McCourty and Price to do it.
     
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    Here's why I don't like this draft... First round pick would have been fine with one of our second round picks. When special teams play is going to be his immediate impact on a team that desperately needs a better defense, that's a problem. Gronkowski will be great IF he stays on the field. The Jets are licking their chops to put a helmet in that surgically repaired back. Commonsense says that a nearly 6-7 inch target playing across the middle in the NFL with a back problem at the age of 21 or 22 probably won't last long. Cunningham played on a SEC-title, National championship defense and nobody had heard of him. Plus will be switching positions. Spikes probably couldn't beat Brady in a 40-yard dash, even with his surgically repaired knee. Hernandez, according to Scouts Inc and others needs to get tougher. The receiver we got from Ohio and the punter will probably be really good.
    Posted by BamaPat


    This is why this post is so wrong.

    The first pick is a cover corner who happens to play on special teams  McCourty is very much a 1st round pick.  Probably a starter this year.  Where does this special team first dooky come from?  You're so far off base here it's not funny.

    Gronkowski is a concern but one has to believe that the medical team went through this big time.  You have to believe folks did their homework on an injury so publicly broadcasted.  You don't draft a guy who's a hit away from being a cripple.  Stupid again.

    Spikes stops the run on the right side, period.  His slow 40 time does not equate to football speed or football instincts.  It is a blemish but we got ourselves a football player here.  Afterall, that's the reason why he fell to the 2nd round.  Remember last year when everybody was drooling over this guy and thought he would go to high for us to even think about drafting him?

    Cunningham.  I'm not going to even pretend I was familiar with the name.  The draftniks on this board however were very aware of him.  Some had him on their draft board going right where the Pats picked him.  So while the general fan base was clueless the draftniks on this board knew what we got and they're excited.  But I can't fault you here because there are a lot of us here who don't know the guy and what he brings to the table.

    There's a lot of info on Hernandez on rumored weaknesses.  It's all very confusing.  What is this guy?  Some of the stuff was blamed on the system Florida ran.  They had him on routes rather than blocking.  This makes sense because Tebow had a lot of room to run and one of Tebow's weaknesses is not looking for that 2nd and 3rd target.  Hernandez graded out pretty good on in line blocking.  Where Hernandez was picked it was one of the steals of the draft.

     
     
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    They may not look pretty in shorts, but they look like Victoria Secret models during games. 
    Posted by soxfan33928


    I have no idea what this means, but congratulations are certainly in order for soxfan33982 for being the first legitimate contender for a 2010 Postie Award with this bizarre assessment.




     
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    I like the McCourty pick, not at the 27, but I like it.

    The TEs, I'm sorry, what happens when Welker comes back? Rob Gronkowski is a stud and he's going to be a real threat the first 8 weeks, but when Welker clears, the Pats, I hope they don't, will probably tell their TEs to play the Watson role. Block, block catch, block some more.

    Pass-rusher, passing on Hughes was a bad idea, Cunningham can't hold his jockstrap. We still need a pass-rush.

    Spikes... Peyton Manning will pick on him all day. He's going to find a way to force Spikes out into coverage.


    We need Osi, badly!
     
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    "First round pick would have been fine with one of our second round picks"

    Ye of little knowledge, the Jets were targeting him with their first and then there was a run on DB's.  So he would not of been available with one of our 2's.
     
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    A few responses:

    1) A native N.E. living in Alabama for a number of a years, I've watched a ton more SEC football - and these Fla. players - than the vast majority of people on this board.

    2) Watch the SEC championship game again, Fla. defense caved when Alabama punched them in the mouth. Tebow went over in the second half and tried to rally the defensive players, who either ignored him or laughed at him. Great attitude. Wait til Brady gets in their face.

    3) Cunningham has 0.5 sacks per game in his career. Now we're going to ask him to change positions and play against NFL competition and put more pressure on the QB. Maybe in 2 or 3 years; not in 2010.

    3) Ask Saban about medical opinions. Doctors are wrong. They told him not to take DB cause of his shoulder. He followed their advice. A 6-7 target with a history of back problems getting slammed by NFL backers and safeties is too big a risk to be picked at 42. Lots of other NFL people agreed.

    4) Sure, the Jets were thinking about taking our first round picks - they had the luxury to do so cause they went out and got playmakers in FA. They do not have as many needs as we do.
     
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    Alright, so we didn't get a "stud" or make a HUGE splash.  However, I contend that this will go down as one of the best top to bottom drafts in Pats history.  They took guys who fit the "Patriot way."  Guys who are gritty, hard-nosed, SOB's.  They may not look pretty in shorts, but they look like Victoria Secret models during games.  Spikes was suspended last year for goughing the eye of a Georgia RB.  This kid was the most consistent player on their defense for the past 2 years.  He could have left last year but choose to stay in order to attempt to win another title.  Hernandez would have been a first rounder had he played in a more pass oriented offense.  He has a nasty streak, and although he can't block very well, he can create HUGE match-up problems for those Jets and Dolphins DB's.  He and Gronkowski can be out there together and Brady will finally have, not one, but two TE's who can run, catch, block, and kick a little tail.  I be they employ Hernandez in an H back mode.  He can line up in the back field and some poor LB will have to TRY to cover him, good luck!  From what I have heard about Price he can really run.  Will be nice to have someone who they can pair opposite Moss to stretch the field and take some heat of Moss.  That in turn will leave a gap in the middle of the field that both Gronkowski and Hernandez will be able to exploit (think Jason Witten and Dallas Clark on the field together).  They will also help the in the red zone as their size will allow them to get balls against smaller DB's.  They still need to address the pash rush with a veteran, but the OLB they got from FL could be a steal.  What say you?
    Posted by soxfan33928


    I guess it depends on what  one feels was their biggest need? So, since I thought the order of "importance" was:
    1)  DE/OLB (2)
    2) RT/RG/C
    3) TE/WR/RB
    4) CB/S
    5) P

    So, If BB drafted in order of importance.....then he did okay. I didn't like his 1st round pick - not because we didn't need another CB - but that we needed a DE/OLB much, much more.

    Overall, i'm pretty happy. We need to get at least 2 proven pass rushers - and I will be happy...lol

     
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    "First round pick would have been fine with one of our second round picks" Ye of little knowledge, the Jets were targeting him with their first and then there was a run on DB's.  So he would not of been available with one of our 2's.
    Posted by Tcal2


    Not only that but several CBs followed shortly thereafter.
     
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    Gronkowski is completely cleared.    I'd be far more concerned with Kindle's leg if I am Baltimore.

    Back/neck injuries can be quite complicated; quite simple.  One disc can make the whole back(side) feel injured.  For many of them, the applied procedure is sufficient.  Ironically, there will be guys in the NFL wil more back problems than those who have had procedures done.

    For what it's worth, Gronslowski seems like he's ready to go...now.  (And, he looks like he is.)  Personally, I believe that adding a productive Gronskowski to a healthy Welker and a few other WR's is a lot to guard against.
     
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    bamapat says that cunningham averages .5 sacks per game... is that supposed to be a bad thing?  if someone averages .5 sacks per game in the NFL thats 8 on the season which is more than any patriot from last year.  BB will take this kid and make him a better player. he is one of my favorite picks this year.

    also im tired of hearing about gronks back. it is open information. everyone knows about it. he wouldnt have been a second round pick if he was on the verge of paralysis. sea bass had a really bad back injury and he is just fine.

    great draft.
     
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    AND theres no way gronkowski and hernandez are utilized like watson because they have MUCH better hands that ben ever did. gronkowski is a very natural pass catcher.
     
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    I love all of the measurables. 

    The first five picks are all explosive (the Wes Welker factor).

    The first four picks all have extra long arms.  This factor may not seem so important to many war rooms, but it is to BB.  I think the Patriots swear by arm length.

    At least two of the top picks were under the radar due to injuries lingering through the NFL Combine.  They got better.

    BB stuck to his draft strategy.  He traded toward the second round.  Once he traded out of 2010 to make a profit.  An extra second rounder and an extra third rounder appeared like magic. 

    Just my opinion, but ten years from now the book will say that drafting wins championships.  The Pats just won.
     
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    ok bama you already got blasted (and for good reason) so i'll leave that alone. but i would have thought the one pick you would love was that big dude in the 7th round brandon deaderick. how about a first hand scouting report on him? is he a find?

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    Here's why I don't like this draft... First round pick would have been fine with one of our second round picks. When special teams play is going to be his immediate impact on a team that desperately needs a better defense, that's a problem. Gronkowski will be great IF he stays on the field. The Jets are licking their chops to put a helmet in that surgically repaired back. Commonsense says that a nearly 6-7 inch target playing across the middle in the NFL with a back problem at the age of 21 or 22 probably won't last long. Cunningham played on a SEC-title, National championship defense and nobody had heard of him. Plus will be switching positions. Spikes probably couldn't beat Brady in a 40-yard dash, even with his surgically repaired knee. Hernandez, according to Scouts Inc and others needs to get tougher. The receiver we got from Ohio and the punter will probably be really good.
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    A few responses: 1) A native N.E. living in Alabama for a number of a years, I've watched a ton more SEC football - and these Fla. players - than the vast majority of people on this board. 2) Watch the SEC championship game again, Fla. defense caved when Alabama punched them in the mouth. Tebow went over in the second half and tried to rally the defensive players, who either ignored him or laughed at him. Great attitude. Wait til Brady gets in their face. 3) Cunningham has 0.5 sacks per game in his career. Now we're going to ask him to change positions and play against NFL competition and put more pressure on the QB. Maybe in 2 or 3 years; not in 2010. 3) Ask Saban about medical opinions. Doctors are wrong. They told him not to take DB cause of his shoulder. He followed their advice. A 6-7 target with a history of back problems getting slammed by NFL backers and safeties is too big a risk to be picked at 42. Lots of other NFL people agreed. 4) Sure, the Jets were thinking about taking our first round picks - they had the luxury to do so cause they went out and got playmakers in FA. They do not have as many needs as we do.
    Posted by BamaPat

    The one thing I agree with you most on is the TE Gronkowski. Watch his films and see how he runs almost straight up at times. Im sorry but NO ONE ever recovers 100 percent from a back injury let alone back surgery I dont care who cleared him. The pounding he will take in the NFL espically the way he runs in my opinion he will be out of the league within 2 years. This was a foolish pick for all the wrong reasons and one you should never take a chance on with where a back injury is concerned, this kid is going to get hurt.
     
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    Deaderick has an NFL body but not an NFL work ethic. If he were to mature and have the right motivation, he could be a find. But, unfortunately I doubt it. The one chance he has is that we're short on players at his position.

    I know I've been blasted for a variety of things on this board but I just don't think this draft was as good as a lot of people here think. I absolutely hope I'm wrong.
     
    I've watched a lot of our top picks up close in the SEC on a week-to-week basis. I also have a number of media contacts and others in this part of the country who are very smart when it comes to college football and evaluating talent. 

    There are some serious flaws/question marks with our top several picks but I realize that all picks have something wrong with them.

    But I just think we settled for "value" and quantity again when I think this was the year we needed to take a gamble(s) by moving up and taking a player(s) that will probably have a bigger impact in 2010 and 2011 ((if NFL plays that year)).

    Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong.
     
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    Taken from the extra point section.  This is how I cant love this draft.  Like it sure, but can you seriously tell me how we couldnt have gotten someone else to improve this group.

    This, of course, surprises no one. But it does take one player away from an already shallow pool of outside linebackers. Here's the group:

    Tully Banta-Cain
    Shawn Crable
    Jermaine Cunningham*
    Bruce Davis
    Dane Fletcher*
    Marques Murrell
    Rob Ninkovich
    Pierre Woods


    (* -- Rookies)
     
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    Sergio Kindle has already had four...yes four...procedures on his gimpy knee.  There are rumors that he might need microfracture surgery at some point.  Philadelphia Cornelius Ingram slid in the '09 draft for this very reason.  Philly took him in the middle rounds and everyone thought it was a great 'value' pick.  However, it was rumored his surgically repaired knee would need retreatment at some point and, sure enough, he blew it out again during the season.  So...I guarentee you if the Pats had drafted Kindle, as most on here would've preferred, half the people would be ecstatic and the others would question the pick because of the knee.  That's just the way it is..you can never please everyone.  Glass half full/half empty sorta thing. 
     
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    ugh...i dont see why people are comparing hernandez and dallas clark

    they come from completely different systems in college and will be in completely different systems in the pros

    dallas clark went from a pro-style, collegiate offense at Iowa which has always produced good linemen and TE's

    as opposed to hernandez, who at florida, played in a spread offense that utilizes their tight end alot and is going to a spread offense that is WR oriented

    also...how many great players at UF, have gone on to stellar NFL careers? aside from emmitt smith, the list is very few and very far between for a Florida school that is a college juggernaut
     
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    Hey Rus (Is that an homage to that nerdy kid from Recess?), say what you want but the Pats biggest need was getting a guy who created a pass-rush. The Pats didn't get one. Don't tell me about Cunningham, he is a Tebow LB. God, what are we, the Gators of the NFL? 

    I already know you're going to say "wait till June 1st for the roster cuts" and I'm waiting. But everyone, except Belichick, knows the value of a good pass-rusher. I seriously doubt anyone that can create a pass-rush for our defense gets cut. 


    This draft is a C, I like the talent, but do the picks make us Superbowl contenders next year? HELL NO! So keep drinking the Kool-aid, but when Belichick's defense is dominant, Belichick has a pass-rush. He has five rings, 3 with NE, 2 with NY. He had McGinest in NE, and LT in NY. Who does he have now?
     
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