How can you not love this draft?

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    If the draft was so good, why is virtually every unbiased sports outlet giving a team with all those holes and all those picks a B?  
    Posted by bjesuss

    the media is full of it. none of their grades matter. the pats didnt do what the "experts" expected so they got a B. big deal.
     
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    In Response to Re: How can you not love this draft? : He has NEARLY a complete team -very close I am sure you will agree. You ask "who does he have now?" 2 1st and 2 2nd round picks in 2011. Take this team with its one year of seasoning and then add a defensive STUD, a RB STUD and wr STUD, and what does he have? Another 5 year run.
    Posted by One-If-By-Sea


    I completely agree!!!  It's NOT about drinkingthe cool-aid...it's about seeing the BIG PICTURE & it is gonna be a Michael Angelo masterpiece!!!  Do I want the Pats to win the SB this year, YES...will I be upset if we don't, NO....why because the future is VERY BRIGHT for the true Patriots fan!!!
     
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    In Response to How can you not love this draft?: How can you get so ridiculously giddy over a rookie draft class? Most rookies do not start and outside of special teams, rarely make year one impact. All of these future Pro Bowl studs you mention were passed on by all of the other teams, many with similar needs. Are we really going to say that BB "stole" all of these players? As if he suddenly "discovered" tight ends from Pac 10 schools nobody heard of, nor had anyone had a line on Spikes. The Patriots suddenly have a lot of holes. How many have been filled adequately...and in our world adequately means to a standard to help us into first place, not .500 ball? I see the Pumpsie Green card: Yeah, we may have picked a number of Pumpsie Green's, but so what? And the pick that really counted was McCorty, who 31 other teams rated much lower than Kyle Wilson. BB had better be right on this one.
    Alright, so we didn't get a "stud" or make a HUGE splash.  However, I contend that this will go down as one of the best top to bottom drafts in Pats history.  They took guys who fit the "Patriot way."  Guys who are gritty, hard-nosed, SOB's.  They may not look pretty in shorts, but they look like Victoria Secret models during games.  Spikes was suspended last year for goughing the eye of a Georgia RB.  This kid was the most consistent player on their defense for the past 2 years.  He could have left last year but choose to stay in order to attempt to win another title.  Hernandez would have been a first rounder had he played in a more pass oriented offense.  He has a nasty streak, and although he can't block very well, he can create HUGE match-up problems for those Jets and Dolphins DB's.  He and Gronkowski can be out there together and Brady will finally have, not one, but two TE's who can run, catch, block, and kick a little tail.  I be they employ Hernandez in an H back mode.  He can line up in the back field and some poor LB will have to TRY to cover him, good luck!  From what I have heard about Price he can really run.  Will be nice to have someone who they can pair opposite Moss to stretch the field and take some heat of Moss.  That in turn will leave a gap in the middle of the field that both Gronkowski and Hernandez will be able to exploit (think Jason Witten and Dallas Clark on the field together).  They will also help the in the red zone as their size will allow them to get balls against smaller DB's.  They still need to address the pash rush with a veteran, but the OLB they got from FL could be a steal.  What say you?
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    In Response to Re: How can you not love this draft?: So now Hernandez, a fourth round pick, is suddenly better than Keller? And Edelman is better than Holmes? The Kool Aid is way too strong in here. This team is in panic-rebuild mode and trying to do it with lots  of numbers and hoping to get lucky.
    In Response to Re: How can you not love this draft? : And you aren't even counting Hernandez.  Start using him as a Dallas Clark in the slot with Edelman and then a returning Welker?  Good luck with that, Jets and others on the schedule. Huge upgrade and that means the running game will be upgraded too, in my opinion. Less predictable to gameplan for, more to account for and better personnel. Consider this too for next year: BB trades 2 2nd rounders to some team trying to add depth and get value that is struggling financially in this economy....both picks for a 1st. That would mean THREE 1dt rd picks if he pulled that off.  That's ridiculous considering what he's been pulling in the last 2 years, talent wise. Solid looking draft last year, this one might be his best for both need/value/impact and for next year's.
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    Hey Rus (Is that an homage to that nerdy kid from Recess?), say what you want but the Pats biggest need was getting a guy who created a pass-rush. The Pats didn't get one. Don't tell me about Cunningham, he is a Tebow LB. God, what are we, the Gators of the NFL?  I already know you're going to say "wait till June 1st for the roster cuts" and I'm waiting. But everyone, except Belichick, knows the value of a good pass-rusher. I seriously doubt anyone that can create a pass-rush for our defense gets cut.  This draft is a C, I like the talent, but do the picks make us Superbowl contenders next year? HELL NO! So keep drinking the Kool-aid, but when Belichick's defense is dominant, Belichick has a pass-rush. He has five rings, 3 with NE, 2 with NY. He had McGinest in NE, and LT in NY. Who does he have now?
    Posted by 49Patriots


    Since I see you didn't read Laz's responses in his Post...YOU need to read this & understand, what the rest of us are seeing...it's NOT drinking the cool-aid, it's understanding the philosophy that IS coming back to NE!

    From Laz:
    "In Response to Re: 2010 Patriots Draft=BEST New England Draft in 5 years...bare minimum & bar none :

    russ and ALL : I was busy earlier and couldn't get to read any but the first few posts on page 1, But I gotta say, Your posts in this thread have been sound, reasonable, informed, and just sorta cool-headed in a way lol...excellent insights here man, no doubt . ~ I really came away thinking very similiar thoughts about how Bill Belichick is harkening back to what worked in the past during our championship runs .  Whether it be in a Draft, How you CANNOT sell short player skill and draft purely for great intangibles, and come away as a coach thinking that your scheme is 1000 times superior to any good skilled players...  Yet  russ , you enlightened me as to what else it looks like Belichcik is doing with these guys, i.e. MORE things that worked well in the past... RE : Offense - Hernandez first...it was either Nick or you who had a good post about how Hernandez will not be seen much as a standard TE lined up at the LOS beside tackle...Excellent Point.  And you're right, either as some H-Back/#2 WR OR a hybrid of both, THIS does equal some matchup nightmare for Big enough, but slow LBs, and/or fast enough, but too small CBs and even some safeties.       And onto Gronkowski...A sick blocker just like Graham was for us, and just 10 times the better pass-catcher than Graham was...heck, he'll be 10 times the better pass-catcher than Watson, who was the poor blocker, but whom had hands of stone AND bad route-trees.      So keep in mind THESE things about Gronkowski and Hernandez as its taken with the other post either you or Nick did, about how Taylor Price looks something like a hard-chargin' Branch/Givens of the past, BOTH places me at ease and Makes Me Conclude The Following: ~ STUFF THAT WORKED DURING NE'S CHAMPION TEAMS :  Ball-control offense, Far less singular in skill-set players = An Offense that CONTROLLED the game...  BOTH with the ball-control, long drives that simply wear out a D and the gameclock, AND far more importantly than even that, VERSATILITY.  No singular draftees like a wideout who's a blazer, but runs bad routes, OR a TE who's a good blocker, but an awful pass-catcher, or vice-versa...  Bill Belichick, by drafting very versatile players with NO UNreal skill-set in 1 single aspect of their gameplay, INSTEAD selected players with NO real WEAKNESSES in their skill-set.  Now, that don't make for a big "Wow" factor in NOT selecting the guys like 6'3 225lb 4.4 40 running Taylor Mays (but he cannot read an offensive play for jack-sh^t), BUT what it DOES do-  Is Win Games.       Your team AND players (system & personell), Is now the one who can game-plan for the OTHER team.  By NOT selecting that totally unbelievable in 1 aspect of their skills (but completely lacking in another), Belichick targeted guys with NO weak aspect in their game skills, And THIS means you have the versatile player and playmakers who can find and exploit the weak-aspects and weak-links of the OTHER team's Defense, Players and overall Schematics.  Think Randy Moss here people:  NO player imo has EVER been the deep-field threat that Moss is...but he ain't that great whatsoever and isn't built for going over the middle.  Now, I LOVE having Moss on this team, BUT when NE started taking guys like Moss, who have certain BIG shortcomings in their game, yet who have just some unimaginable but very specific and hus very singular aspect(s) in their game, The New England Patriots gave up CONTROL.  You are NOW gameplanning for and WITH your players skills, and NOT gameplanning for and AGAINST the other guy's weaknesses.  Get it?  You've now pigeon-holed yourself in certain player's great but select abilities, and thus your system schematics, plays and EVERYthing is now more limited, and thus: exploitable. RE : Defense - Bill Belichick NOW drafted players who made his Defense top-notch.  He got smash-mouth and aggressive as he!! players...  Asante Samuel who could turn an INT into a pick 6, but who didn't like to dirty his jersey (ever)= These guys are O-U-T.  Who's In?  Attackers...  A CB who looks and feels just eerily like Ty Law.  A Strongside ILB who looks and feels just eerily like Ted Johnson.  AND a weakside OLB pass-rushing specialist who looks and feels eerily like Willie Mac.        Kinda very coincidental, don'tcha ALL think?  Targeting guys who are just hard-charging, aggressive and who LOVE and have a passion to play like this...      Heck, Belichick even shored up his former BIG-time Special Teams play-makers in 1 turned to 2 moves:  Getting the best Punter in 4-5 entire draft classes AND with Devin McCourty's sick and added Special Team's playmaking.  Again: Eerily coincidental, huh? ~~ And shoot, some may disagree...BUT I liked even at the time BEFORE they lost the '07 SB, The 2001 Superbowl Team OVER the 2007 Offensive juggernaut and less smash-mouth defense, a million times better.  I LOVED Brady throwing to whomever was open, using every play on long extended drives, coupled with just a fearless and aggressive defense.  I know the '07 team mighta sold more hearts of Country Club Members who like high-scoring, BUT the '01 team stole more hearts of true gridiron fans who wanted to watch and FEEL that The Patriots were breaking the backs and wills by just punishing other squads...      Who knows, I guess I'm just a happy-go-lucky sadist deep down, ya know: I don't want 'em beat, I just want them demoralized, smashed into the turf, then hit by a brick; I don't care how much they were beaten by in a 30 second quick 1 or 2 big hit knockout fight, I DO care in beating them ruthlessly into submission, so they are just sick to their stomach-terrified of you forever.  Cute, huh?
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         Guys, the Pats got some decent prospects. BUT, games are still won in the trenches...and...in today's NFL, a defense must be able to put the opposing QB on the ground.

         In the trenches, the Pats still have a gaping hole at Richard Seymour's old DE slot...no RT who can replace the turnstile that is Nick Kaczur, which would allow Sebastien Vollmer to play LT, replacing the mediocre Matt Light...and, again, the Pats failed to adequately address their non-existent pass-rush!!

         Furthermore, the Pats had to purchase over 1000 cases of Geritol, to keep RBs Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris, and Kevin Faulk from falling asleep on the sideline, whenever the "D" is on the field.

         Sorry...but even if all their picks pan out, the Pats fall short of being a legitimate SB contender.
     
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         Guys, the Pats got some decent prospects. BUT, games are still won in the trenches...and...in today's NFL, a defense must be able to put the opposing QB on the ground.      In the trenches, the Pats still have a gaping hole at Richard Seymour's old DE slot...no RT who can replace the turnstile that is Nick Kaczur, which would allow Sebastien Vollmer to play LT, replacing the mediocre Matt Light...and, again, the Pats failed to adequately address their non-existent pass-rush!!      Furthermore, the Pats had to purchase over 1000 cases of Geritol, to keep RBs Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris, and Kevin Faulk from falling asleep on the sideline, whenever the "D" is on the field.      Sorry...but even if all their picks pan out, the Pats fall short of being a legitimate SB contender.
    Posted by TexasPat3


    Be careful Tex with posting reality, most on this board prefer to live in their delusional fantasy.
     
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    In Response to Re: How can you not love this draft? : Be careful Tex with posting reality, most on this board prefer to live in their delusional fantasy.
    Posted by BBRULES23


    Oh so now you know more about reality than the guy who won us three Super Bowls?  I guess Kraft oughta be having his delusional fantasies about you.
     
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    I'm neither a cool aid drinker nor a pessimist for the sake of it. 

    But based on the kids selected from this draft, and our acquisition of a 2011 2nd rounder, I think this draft should go down as one of the best, if not the best in the last 5 years. 

    We have a lot of young talent on defense now. Give them time to gel, create an identity, and I think you will see a special group. They got rid of the me only players, and have brought in hard nosed guys with the right team first attitude. 

    I would have liked to get a stud DE in this draft, but the truth is, there was not a stud 3-4 DE available. Lots of 4-3 guys however. Next year we will pick an RDE in round 1.

    Other than the DE position, we drafted on value, and drafted good players. They might have not enjoyed the media limelight like Kindle or Hughes, but they were all solid college players that I think will transition nicely to the pros. 

    Looking at the Pats roster (on paper with assumptions that the new kids can play, and the year 2 guys get even better), its hard to think this team cannot challenge for a SB. The one thing that is the great unknown and key to this whole thing coming together is putting these guys in positions to succeed, creative and agrressive play calling, and letting them play some football. If BB puts his thumbprint back on this defense and schools them up right, it will be a totally different unit. The offensive play calling I'm a bit worried about, but the personnel to execute it are there. 
     
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    No one is afraid of the Jets. We still have Brady and a vastly improve WR corps, and we all know what Brady is like with a great corps of WRs-- 2007, anyone?


    My only real concern is our pass-rush, we don't have one. WWe fix the Pass-rush, we win a SB. Cunningham, like I said, is a Tebow OLB. It's great if he pans out, but why pass on a proven talent, like Hughes?
     
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    No one is afraid of the Jets. We still have Brady and a vastly improve WR corps, and we all know what Brady is like with a great corps of WRs-- 2007, anyone? My only real concern is our pass-rush, we don't have one. WWe fix the Pass-rush, we win a SB. Cunningham, like I said, is a Tebow OLB. It's great if he pans out, but why pass on a proven talent, like Hughes?
    Posted by 49Patriots

    You can't forget that Brady will be healthy this year. Last year he was rusty and still recovering. Then came broken ribs, etc. This year he isn't coming back from a major knee injury and will be healthy. He knows his new knee now and can have an entire offseason training like he used to instead of rehabbing. I'd be afraid if I were the rest of the league.

    I'm worried about the pass rush too. That's the only real weakness I see on the team right now. Hopefully a couple of the guys the Pats got light it up this year.
     
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    I'm ecstatic about this draft.
    • Defenders like Spikes and Cunningham, who can play at the highest level in the SEC, have a great shot at being succesful in the NFL.  The SEC is toughest conference with the highest level of competition, and I'm absolutely stoked, especially for Spikes.  He doesn't need to have a fast 40 yd time  Needs to be able to instantly diagnose a play, make a burst step with the right angle, and make a sure tackle, all of which he did superbly in the SEC.
    • Hernandez and Gronkowski?  OMG they are good prospects, one of them,m perhaps both, will be succesful (I really agree with Wes Bunting at NFP.com--Hernandez is NFL ready).  And we got them in the 2d ad 4th round--fleecing.
    • I didn't watch any BE games, but it looks like McCourtney is a top CB propsect for a zone scheme like we run, and yet again, another team captain.  It's not sexy, but I like the pick.
    • We got the second best C in the draft for peanuts, and a couple more D-lineman from the SEC for peanuts.  Maybe we find another Myron Pryor.
    • We had no 3rd round pick going into this draft, and we wound up with a 3rd and 2d for next year.  Think about that--we drafted this well, and still managed to pick up another 2 next year:
    2011 Patriot Picks
    1st Round
    1st Round (OAK - Richard Seymour)
    2nd Round (CAR - 2010 3rd Round)
    2nd Round
    3rd Round
    4th Round
    5th Round
    6th Round
    7th Round
    7th Round (NO - David Thomas)

    I'm delirously happy right now.
     
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    What do you think the patriots will receive for Watson and Baker as far as compensation picks go in 2011? Watson was a first round draft choice and the best you can get for a 1rst round pick that leaves via free agency is a 3rd round draft choice in compensatory picks,and I know they get something for Baker due to the fact they absorbed his contract or something like that cause I read it a while back.
     
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    I don't think Hughes would have solved our pass rush problems completely, plus he is not a fit for a 3-4 defense.
     I also think there are guys on the current roster that can rush the passer from different positions. What made the Jets D a good defense last year is not just on their ability to cover WR's, but you never knew where the rush was coming from. 
    We need to employ a similar philosophy. Safety, corner, Dline, OLB, ILB, etc. We have guys on the current roster that can get after the QB. With an improved secondary, perhaps it buys are front 7 an added second to get to the QB. 
    We need to mix coverages up, move guys around, and use the speed on the roster to bring the heat from different positions.

    What we do have however is a much improved run defense. And i think it all starts with our ability to stop the run. If you limit a run first team like the Jets which we can do now, it makes them 1 dimensional. I would put the ball in a 2nd year QB's hands any day and say beat us.


     
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    You ask me if I am happy about this draft?  Happy, happy, happy,....happy,happy, happy.....etc.
     

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