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After all the running backs that came, not succeed and went since Dillon, I have to wonder if the OLine is as good as everyone raves them to be. They excel at protecting at pass blocking. But recent history on run eprformance suggests they really don't do well at pass blocking, particularly against the more robust DLines.
In the playoffs of recent years, it has not been unusual to see opposing DLmen penetrating to the backfield, even before the RB gets three steps (It's one thing to get the RB before they get back to the LOS, but giving up teh tackle so soon is bad). Even with the talent they have now (Ridley, Vereen and Bolden) now at RB, theys till struggle to conssistetnly run the ball well. Other teams have achieved more with less.
Is it talent? Is it the way they are coached - ergo how they prepare for games?
So, we have a QB who races to 40+ passes, is worse with ball control and game management, etc, yet this is on the O Line?
"I prefer the shotgun." - Tom Brady, 2010
You can't get around it. You just can't. There is no real other common denominator other than Brady having autonomy to audible and run the offense how he chooses to run it. Manning has this power too, so when he throws 3 INTs or Brady throws 2 INTs in close games, each's butt is on the line.
NEWSFLASH: If we had a QB who was more so under Center and they committed more to the run in the right way v.s. Brady audibiling out of those formations, ON TOP of the already heavy shotgun spread, the O Line would be better than it has been when they sell out to the pass shotgun garbage we've seen via Brady's leadership.
Brady has been chasing this for his own entertainment for years. Years. I remember back in 2002 when he wanted to do it, but Weis reined him in. He had to. It wasn't going to work.
He still reined him in for 2003. In 2004 BB got Dillon to keep Brady from wanting to throw so much.
It's been a challenge ever since. For the love of god, stop looking for excuses everywhere but the QB.
Is it talent? NO. Is it coaching? NO. Scarneccchia should be considered for the HOF, that's how great he is. So, no. Ugh.
Could it be how Brady runs the offense when he feels they aren't scoring quickly enough, then telling Ds what plays they'll be running, making it harder on the O Line? Hmm?
You enjoying this every January, are ya?
So Rusty, if BB is the greatest GM of all time, why is he extending Brady's contract rather than cutting him? If Brady has been a problem child since 2002 (when you say Weis reined him in) and no one since Weis has been able to control him, why has BB allowed the problem to fester for a decade? Is BB that helpless?
I think you've backed yourself by your arguments into a bit of a hole here. You think the shotgun is a problem. But you think BB is nearly infallible as GM and coach. Therefore you feel like you need to blame someone other than BB for an offensive style the Pats have employed since at least 2007. So you blame Brady. But really, if BB felt the shotgun was a problem would he stand by helplessly for years while his QB hurt the team by insisting on calling shotgun plays? This just seems absurd--and if it's true BB is a spineless incompetent.
Why not just admit what every other sensible fan can admit? The Pats have some deficiencies in talent that have prevented them from going as far as we'd all like. BB has done a great job of keeping the talent level generally good and coaching it to victories, but he's operating in a system that is designed to make it harder for winning teams to acquire and keep top players and easier for losing teams to do that. The reason we've struggled in the postseason is because we've had issues with depth and diversity of talent in general and we've also had injuries to key players which have hurt us in particular matchups.
The O line is a perfect example. Generaly it's pretty good and it's well coached. But it's had weaknesses every year (Kazcur at right tackle, various JAGs in the interior line at different times) and, most important, has suffered injuries that have affected its performance in the post season. I don't think O line is our biggest problem by any means, but shoring up the interior and signing Vollmer or an equivalent talent at RT are desirable offseason moves. Avoiding injuries, though, is maybe even more important come next postseason. The injuries especially have been problematic becuase they've pushed a decent line over the border into poor line territory, with disasterous results against teams with great defensive fronts.
If BB was sitting across the table, I'd say point blank to him that Brady runs too much shotgun, the offense is too finesse because of it and there are over a dozen games of evidence (since 2005) where the Pats literally lost games because of this problem.
I do hold BB responsibility for it. Said it here many times. I am not sure he realizes how many games NE has blown because of this problem rooted in the offense. I am not even sure Brady does. But, they keep doing it every year.
But, to sit there and claim NE has a "lack of talent" and that's why Brady hasn't played well, whether it be 2007's postseason or this past one, is preposterous. 2009, sure. 2010, no. 2011, no. 2012, no.
2006 you could argue that and I would agree. But, not in these last few years. 90% of QBs would drool over having that he's had here since BB brought in Gronk and Hern and dealt Moss away in 2010.
When you're up 17-9, 17-12 and then 17-15 in the 4th qtr, no one is sitting there saying "gee, we have limited talent, I can't see them getting a FG or a TD here in the 4th qtr".
To hold BB's feet to the fire to build an All Star team when the cap is set up against you, is absolutely irrational.
I give you credit Rusty for standing up and saying straight out that you think Belichick has made mistakes as a coach. I don't agree with you, but I applaud your directness.