How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

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    Re: How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

    In my humble opinion I have never seen any receiver get open as consistently as Wes.  Wes, runs shorter routes so I'm not sure the percent completion is as relevant vs deep threat guys like Fitz since those guys also generate more yards. 

    What would be interesting would be to see how many of the Patriots pass plays go to Wes.  My gut feeling is that in years passed Wes accounting for half of the pass attempts in this offense and this year it's probably far less.  I think that's a good thing for versatility.

     
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    Offensively, I think they would survive w/o Welker. I'd rather the Patriots spend money on improving the secondary, pass rush, or OL (especially w/ run blocking and protecting the QB).

     
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    Re: How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

    In response to rkarp's comment:

    But the issue is not how good Wes has been. That has been fairly well established over the past year of these posts. The question is what is his value moving forward? The Pats are taking the stance that they will not pay Wes for past performance. They are also taking the stance there will be regression in years 2,3 and 4 of his next contract, simply due to age. 

    Its been pretty well documented that the Pats feel the rest of the NFL agrees, and that the Pats are comfortable telling Wes to find his best deal, and give them the courtesy of last call. I think at the end of the day, Wes will find most of the NFL agrees with the Pats $$$ value on Wes, and he will end up signing a contract with the Pats. 

    Response: especially to this line:"The Pats are taking the stance that they will not pay Wes for past performance."
    One of the biggest factors when negotiating a new conyract is--- PAST PERFORMANCE especially recent past performance. McDaniels choice to try to do without Welker at the beginning of the year, illustrates that Wes has not lost anything!

    Also this stupid quote" most of the NFL agrees with the Pats $$$ value on Wes"

    It only takes ONE team that thinks that Wes is worthy of a solid contract. What are the chances that no team will offer him a substancial contract?---- NONE

    Also the general tone of your statements does not paint a very nice picture of the Pats management=Sliding by without rewarding one of the teams most productive players (Actually on offense, Wes is the second most productive player after Brady)

    I don't agree with that tone  The Patriots have rewarded VW and Brady. though the Pats management has not always "stepped up to the plate", they have in situations. Nobody wants to play for teams that don't reward productive players.

     
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    Re: How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

    In response to rkarp's comment:

    In response to anonymis' comment:

    Offensively, I think they would survive w/o Welker. I'd rather the Patriots spend money on improving the secondary, pass rush, or OL (especially w/ run blocking and protecting the QB).



    A "fair" deal with Wes will allow the Pats to do all of that. 




    What do the Patriots or you define as "fair"? Obviously, the Patriots already offered what was fair - and Welker did not accept.

    In addition, what would be best for the team overall - keeping in mind that the greatest team weaknesses still include the pass rush, secondary, and OL (not necessarily in the order of importance).

     
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    Re: How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

    The Pats are not cheap, they are the 2nd highest paying team in the league. I don't know where this comes from. They try to manage the cap by not giving guys who were great in the past but beyond their prime a huge contract  

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/20092780/which-nfl-teams-are-throwing-the-most-cash-around-not-who-you-think

     
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    Re: How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

    I don't think you need a bunch of numbers to even figure out how important he is to this offense. For one thing, he is still Brady's go to guy for most of the game. 

    The joke is the idea that Edelman or Lloyd or one of TE's can replace his productivity. Welker has a unique skill set in the NFL. He may not be the "best" receiver in the league, but I have not seen another guy who does what he does consistently... He just get open. 

    I hope the Pats come to their senses and pay the guy.

     
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    Re: How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

    Thanks for the chart- always good to see stats and compare. No doubt about Wes's value to the Pats- past, present, and future.  The tangiable's can be seen in black and white. I like what he brings that can't be measured in numbers. He is an "iron man", tough, conditioned,leaves everything on the field, every game. He's smart about the x's and o's.  He's the kind of team mate that would always have your back- and he defintely has the trust and respect of TB.

    He's one of my faovrite Patriots of the last 12 years or so.  Off the field Wes "unplugged" is hilarious.  Not the Gronk goofbal comedy. Wes has a sharp wit that must be fun in the locker room. Would love to see Wes retire a Patriot with Brady.

     
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    Re: How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

    PAts need to keep Wes. Other than Gronk there's no one you can count on game to game. Loyd great hands but hasn't really jelled with Brady yet, Deon is done, Edleman good not great, Hernandez, great if he plays but  to injury prone.

    Brady's game is the short game, Wes's is the best in that part of the field.

    If the Pats let him go after this season, I'm sure Peyton Manning would love to see him is Orange. 

     
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    Re: How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

    Of course he deserves a three year 30+ million dollar deal. They guy is tough as nails and one of the team leaders. Pats fans have continued to take him for granted year after year. The decision to pay Hernandez FAT money isn't looking like a great one now. He hasn't consistently styed o the field. Sure there's still time to turn that around but this guy needs to stay healthy for 16 games and put up 1000 plus yards to justify that contract. Welker is not "easily" replaceable and Pats fans should realize that. You think this offense struggles at times now wait until he's gone and check back. Also, for all the bitchin' about Brady and the offense we are puting up 33.2 ppg!!

     
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    Re: How important is Wes Welker and why he should stay a Patriot well beyond this season

    I'd say there's a good chance the Pats will Franchise him again. That will give him a raise and we'll have him for one more year.

     
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